Texans releasing JJ Watt

[Back2Buff]

36 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, the GB and Pitt just seem like lazy takes. He's from Wisc, and his brother plays in Pitt. So what.

 

 

We could get there by releasing Butler and Jefferson too. I wouldnt mind keeping Addison around. He was the best of the under-performing bunch.

 

I like Jefferson a lot better than Addison.  Not to mention, the age difference.  I felt like Hughes and Addison provided the same role.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Hard to compare pouting your way off a team to respectfully asking to be released and being granted it.  The roster is devoid of talent, and didnt have to be... he wants a ring, does anyone blame him?  Helped the Texans shed $ they couldnt afford in the process

 

That last is a key point.  Releasing JJ Watt is a single move that will put the Texans about $3M under a $180.5M cap

 

[ExWNYer]

52 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

Interesting, thanks. I didnt realize where they were cap wise, etc.

 

Interesting though that Vegas has Pittsburgh as the second best favorite to sign him, so we'll see.

 

Via SportsLine oddsmakers: Favorites to sign JJ Watt:

 

Packers +150

Steelers +200

Bucs +400

Browns +500

Titans +700

49ers +800

Patriots +900

Colts +1000

Ravens +1200

Bears +1500

Cowboys +1800

Raiders +2000

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

I like Jefferson a lot better than Addison.  Not to mention, the age difference.  I felt like Hughes and Addison provided the same role.

 

I asked this before and no one answered.  How did the Bills use Jefferson last season?

 

From what I saw, it was at 3TDT primarily with some short doses of 1TDT

I didn't see him play edge at all.

 

The point of the above is that saying you like Jefferson a lot better than Addison is like saying you like Knox a lot better than Singletary.  That's nice.  They play different positions.

 

As far as Hughes and Addison providing the same role, well, we need 2 DE.  Hughes had a much better win rate than Addison AFAIK.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Back2Buff]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

The guy in our front office was his GM.  That's the connection.

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Plenty left in his self promotional tank.  Football tank?  Probably not.

The good:

Played in all 16 games season. Played 91% of the snaps. 14 TFL. 7 Passes Defended. 12 QB Knock Downs.

 

The Bad:

In 16 games - 5 sacks vs 16 in 2018. 2 Forced Fumbles vs 7 in 2018. 11 QB Hurries and 29 Pressures vs. 32 Hurries and 60 pressures in 2018. 

 

From this I see that he has possibly lost a step. Still an impact player but not the same burst that is needed for a 15 sack type of guy. He would still come in and be our best edge rusher however. 

[Nextmanup]

No, no, no.  

 

All day long: no.

 

 

[Back2Buff]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I asked this before and no one answered.  How did the Bills use Jefferson last season?

 

From what I saw, it was at 3TDT primarily with some short doses of 1TDT

I didn't see him play edge at all.

 

The point of the above is that saying you like Jefferson a lot better than Addison is like saying you like Knox a lot better than Singletary.  That's nice.  They play different positions.

 

As far as Hughes and Addison providing the same role, well, we need 2 DE.  Hughes had a much better win rate than Addison AFAIK.

 

Nope, not at all.  The d line has a certain allocation of money.  I would rather the allocated money go to Jefferson the DT, than Addison the DE.  

 

Addison was never comfortable playing LDE.  Him and Hughes ended up both playing RDE majority of their snaps because Addison was pretty useless on the LDE.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You don’t trade JJ Watt if you’re the Texans, you release him so he can go where he wants. It’s the classy move.

LOL.  They aren't concerned with class.  They are concerned with return on investment.

 

If there is none there to receive, cut bait and move on.

 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

12 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Plenty left in his self promotional tank.  Football tank?  Probably not.

I care more about the second part. If the answer is yes, McBeane should acknowledge that they will have to relieve some self-imposed "process" constraints to win the big one. As long as said self promotion doesnt hurt team chemistry (and I think the overall team makeup will temper it), we should absolutely be turning every rock to fill in the key pieces which will help us win it all. Pass rush is a clear need - we saw the contrast in Mahomes play facing said rush (bucs) and not facing one (Bills). 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Fan in Chicago

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

The guy in our front office was his GM.  That's the connection.

DB coach Butler. Not our GM that passed away like 20 years ago...

[Chicken Boo]

Good for him.

 

He'll have Suh-like rejuvenation with a contender.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, ngbills said:

The good:

Played in all 16 games season. Played 91% of the snaps. 14 TFL. 7 Passes Defended. 12 QB Knock Downs.

 

The Bad:

In 16 games - 5 sacks vs 16 in 2018. 2 Forced Fumbles vs 7 in 2018. 11 QB Hurries and 29 Pressures vs. 32 Hurries and 60 pressures in 2018. 

 

From this I see that he has possibly lost a step. Still an impact player but not the same burst that is needed for a 15 sack type of guy. He would still come in and be our best edge rusher however. 

 

I think the idea is, if he came to Buffalo where we have a decent rotation, and he didnt have to play 91% of the snaps, he could stay fresher and perform better.

[Punching Bag]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So was Brian Gaine and he probably has a lot more influence. 

[jkx2]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

This guy annoys me.... that being said he'd be a big help to the defensive line despite his injury history and slight decline in production. 

Yeah the NFL just can't have guys like JJ Watt, a Walter Payton man of the year winner in it. 

[US Egg]

36 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Hard to compare pouting your way off a team to respectfully asking to be released and being granted it.  The roster is devoid of talent, and didnt have to be... he wants a ring, does anyone blame him?  Helped the Texans shed $ they couldnt afford in the process

O.J. and J.K. "respectfully" wanted no part of coming to Buffalo. The teams were bad.

 

Rotten Ralph should have respected their not wanting to be here.

[BillsCuse]

If the price is right then I would be on board, but I'm sure he will have plenty of suitors.  There's younger very good d-lineman available this year as well - that's the route I would take if The Bills decide to spend some cash on one higher up free agent.

[NewEra]

We could use a guy like him.  I trust that he’d make big plays in the playoffs as long as he’s healthy.  That said, I think there’s probably a 2-5 teams ahead of us on his wish list

[Matt_In_NH]

5 years ago JJ Watt, sure, today what is he?  4-5 sacks....we have those guys already.   Unless you want him for the locker room/leadership aspect and the price is very reasonable I would pass.

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

O.J. and J.K. "respectfully" wanted no part of coming to Buffalo. The teams were bad.

 

Rotten Ralph should have respected their not wanting to be here.

 

Completely different context and situations.

 

edit: you can "laugh" at the post as a way to dismiss it without having to publicly lose the argument. But if you need me to type it out to explain it  to you slowly, you are talking about a couple of rookies who didnt want to come to Buffalo. Whereas Watt is a 10 year vet who has been a good soldier and is high priced at the end of his contract, and wants to find greener pastures. Completely different.

Edited February 12, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

JJ is still pretty damn good. 

 

 

This is awesome. Thanks for posting. 

[ngbills]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I think the idea is, if he came to Buffalo where we have a decent rotation, and he didnt have to play 91% of the snaps, he could stay fresher and perform better.

Agreed. I think the point is a few years ago he could play 90% of the snaps and completely dominate. He is still a great player and would be a huge addition. Just not a DPOY contender he used to be. 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Agreed. I think the point is a few years ago he could play 90% of the snaps and completely dominate. He is still a great player and would be a huge addition. Just not a DPOY contender he used to be. 

 

Maybe. Sure, players can be better in their prime than at an older age. But irrc, he has never played as many snaps in a season as he did last year. So its kinda a double whammy.

[die hard bills fan]

not a surprise

[C.Biscuit97]

I wonder what he wants because it is interesting. He is aging very badly though. But you can never have enough pass rushers. Still would keep looking for more even if we got him. 

[Freddie's Dead]

We need to sign JJ Watt, if only to see a JJ/FredEx reunion.

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/Article/Bills-Fred-Jackson-Caused-JJ-Watts-Bruise-105216600/

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Freddie's Dead

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Ouch. Not even trading him then. Seems like they could have gotten something for him.

 

Welcome to the real world!  Was reading here a few days ago, people were thinking we could trade Addison for a 4th or 5th rounder I believe it was.  LOL

[Jerry Jabber]

43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think it's quite the same.  Watt played in 16/16 games this past season, 8 games then returned hella early and played 2 playoff games last season.  Last season, he was clearly a contributor on a crap defense.

 

Merriman had only played in 3 games the season before the Bills signed him, was a non contributor on a top D, and was clearly hobbled from Day 1 in Buffalo. 

Maybe Merriman was a stretch, but Watt has had his share of injuries. I guess the point I was trying to make with Merriman is that Boss Hogg [Buddy Nix] was banking on Merriman returning to form, hence would solve the Bills pass rushing problems at that time. Watt played in 8 games in 2019 and finished with 4 sacks. Last season, while he did play he a full 16 games, he had 5 sacks, 52 combined tackles (36 solo). IMO, I think Watt’s best days are behind him and don’t want to see the Bills make the same mistake bringing in an aging, beat-up  DE to try and fix their pass rushing issues. Nothing against Watt, always liked him as a person and player, but he’s not the dominant player that he used to be.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

JJ is still pretty damn good. 

 

 

@GunnerBill

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Maybe Merriman was a stretch, but Watt has had his share of injuries. I guess the point I was trying to make with Merriman is that Boss Hogg [Buddy Nix] was banking on Merriman returning to form, hence would solve the Bills pass rushing problems at that time. Watt played in 8 games in 2019 and finished with 4 sacks. Last season, while he did play he a full 16 games, he had 5 sacks, 52 combined tackles (36 solo). IMO, I think Watt’s best days are behind him and don’t want to see the Bills make the same mistake bringing in an aging, beat-up  DE to try and fix their pass rushing issues. Nothing against Watt, always liked him as a person and player, but he’s not the dominant player that he used to be.

 

All fair points.  I think it's fair to ask how much the play of the rest of the Texans line impacted what Watt could do - but then that would raise the same question here, since Addison and Hughes both "fell off" in their play and that might be a function of interior OL play

 

But I agree that the Bills need to look to the future on DL and that Watt is not that thing.

[HOUSE]

I will Give Brandon Beane until 4PM to get this done, after that I don't want to hear about it..

[Punching Bag]

8 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

We need to sign JJ Watt, if only to see a JJ/FredEx reunion.

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/Article/Bills-Fred-Jackson-Caused-JJ-Watts-Bruise-105216600/

 

 

Maybe it is time for a career change to TE.

[DaggersEOD]

44 minutes ago, stuvian said:

A house cleaning is imminent. There's no way Watson stays. This Easterby whack job is turning this team into a cult

 

I mean, HOU is a dumpster fire, but what does his faith have to do with anything? Got it, you don't like religion...neato

 

Back to football, it's obvious they are doing a full house cleaning. With the losses of draft picks and talent (BoB), they have to essentially start over and the best way is to just get it over as quickly as possible.  How much "talent" did McBean shed when they came to BUF and wanted to change the culture? Some of the talent they released absolutely got some fans riled up. It's more pronounced with HOU because of the big names but we don't know what happened behind the scenes.

 

Sure, we're looking at this from the perspective that they already lost Watson, but to me, this is ripping off a bandaid. It's tough now, but 6 months from now, things may be better. IMO, they are going to keep Watson, and while he may be angry today, he'll eventually calm down and play for HOU.

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

We need to sign JJ Watt, if only to see a JJ/FredEx reunion.

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/Article/Bills-Fred-Jackson-Caused-JJ-Watts-Bruise-105216600/

 

His quads are freak shows.

[spartacus]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

His quads are freak shows.

lower leg and calf are sticks

 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, spartacus said:

lower leg and calf are sticks

 

Dude is one of those guys who wears shorts that show his quads. I don’t when guys showing quad became a thing but it sucks. The exact opposite of when women starting wearing yoga pants because they feel so good. 😉

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

 

I mean, HOU is a dumpster fire, but what does his faith have to do with anything? Got it, you don't like religion...neato

 

Back to football, it's obvious they are doing a full house cleaning. With the losses of draft picks and talent (BoB), they have to essentially start over and the best way is to just get it over as quickly as possible.  How much "talent" did McBean shed when they came to BUF and wanted to change the culture? Some of the talent they released absolutely got some fans riled up. It's more pronounced with HOU because of the big names but we don't know what happened behind the scenes.

 

Sure, we're looking at this from the perspective that they already lost Watson, but to me, this is ripping off a bandaid. It's tough now, but 6 months from now, things may be better. IMO, they are going to keep Watson, and while he may be angry today, he'll eventually calm down and play for HOU.

Normally, a person’s faith should and would have nothing to do with anything. Except when that person insists in imposing that faith on anyone who doesn’t wish to be imposed upon. There are reports out of Houston that Easterby has done that by insisting that people coming into his office to address various issues, kneel and pray to gain insight into resolution of those issues. That is wrong on several levels. 

[thurst44]

2 hours ago, hjnick said:

Please pass on JJ watt.  someone will pay him way too much for not alot of production.

 

sack totals last 3 years: 5,5,4.

Actually you missed a 16 in there as I'm sure someone has pointed out. Your overall point is not off, b/c the year's before that have 1 sack between them. I could see him having a Buffalo revival though.

[vincec]

Sign him immediately.