Hebert19 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) With less money to go around you would have to assume there will be some creative deals struck and the price of some of the FAs will go down. There are few teams with lots of money to spend and there are quite a number of premium FAs so is it possible: 1. that some will go with longer term backend loaded deals to provide security since they can't get top dollar this year. Find a contender to commit to... 2. More FAs will take shorter term deals so that they can re up sooner when cap is better? 3. The tier 2 FAs will have a tough time finding a job at what is perceived 'market value Just an interesting twist on the "we don't have any money to spend" argument. Might this be the year where you can get the FA you want by creative deal structure rather than what you can pay this year? What are your thoughts? Edited February 18, 2021 by Hebert19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I think it will be a lot of shorter deals. Given the financial instability going forward and not knowing when fans can fill stadiums I think teams will try as many 1 year deals as possible. But I think there’s enough teams with money that the top 5-10 at each position still get paid. For me it looks like a fantastic bargain shopper offseason. We should be used to looking for mid to low tiered free agents who hopefully have untapped potential or coming off injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I think it will be a lot of shorter deals. Given the financial instability going forward and not knowing when fans can fill stadiums I think teams will try as many 1 year deals as possible. But I think there’s enough teams with money that the top 5-10 at each position still get paid. For me it looks like a fantastic bargain shopper offseason. We should be used to looking for mid to low tiered free agents who hopefully have untapped potential or coming off injury. Ya. Thats a good call out. Typical beane moves will be in abundance this year. Easy to find depth and cut some that haven't been performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbbillsfan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I think it bodes well for us. It has been a loooong time since this has been true, but being one of the elite teams (with a great QB) I could see Buffalo being a top destination for guys wanting to do 1-2 year prove-it deals. Lots of exposure and a high probability of a playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: With less money to go around you would have to assume there will be some creative deals struck and the price of some of the FAs will go down. There are few teams with lots of money to spend and there are quite a number of premium FAs so is it possible: 1. that some will go with longer term backend loaded deals to provide security since they can't get top dollar this year. Find a contender to commit to... 2. More FAs will take shorter term deals so that they can re up sooner when cap is better? 3. The tier 2 FAs will have a tough time finding a job at what is perceived 'market value Just an interesting twist on the "we don't have any money to spend" argument. Might this be the year where you can get the FA you want by creative deal structure rather than what you can pay this year? What are your thoughts? It would seem as if all of your points are accurate, especially #3 imo. I think that many teams will take advantage of the rookie cap and cut veteran players to do so. This btw will probably include the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Ya. Thats a good call out. Typical beane moves will be in abundance this year. Easy to find depth and cut some that haven't been performing. Some of our best finds have been bargains hunts. Darryl Williams is a prime example of that. Even Feliciano. Jordan Poyer years ago. Guys that didn’t break the bank to sign and not many were familiar with. There’s going to be a lot of veterans out there this year if teams have to make a lot of cuts for salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Good topic. I was thinking about this a couple days ago in relation to Yolo’s ongoing threads about Bills FAs. I looked at spotrac which shows 12 teams currently over the projected cap. My thinking is that teams may find it easier to keep the FAs they want as well. I can’t see mongo getting over $8 mil as spotrac projected. They don’t adjust their projections based on a lower cap. The most interesting will be Milano. Certainly there are teams with significant cap space and they will be in the catbird seat this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 CB A.J. Bouye has been cut by the Broncos after 1 year .. he was on a 5 year 67.5 million dollar contract. There will be a lot of this I think. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/10/broncos-are-releasing-a-j-bouye/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hebert19 said: With less money to go around you would have to assume there will be some creative deals struck and the price of some of the FAs will go down. There are few teams with lots of money to spend and there are quite a number of premium FAs so is it possible: 1. that some will go with longer term backend loaded deals to provide security since they can't get top dollar this year. Find a contender to commit to... 2. More FAs will take shorter term deals so that they can re up sooner when cap is better? 3. The tier 2 FAs will have a tough time finding a job at what is perceived 'market value Just an interesting twist on the "we don't have any money to spend" argument. Might this be the year where you can get the FA you want by creative deal structure rather than what you can pay this year? What are your thoughts? Probably all of the above, and a TON of #2, across the league and especially with the Bills. That just seems like our style, even in a more normal year. . Edited February 10, 2021 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: With less money to go around you would have to assume there will be some creative deals struck and the price of some of the FAs will go down. There are few teams with lots of money to spend and there are quite a number of premium FAs so is it possible: 1. that some will go with longer term backend loaded deals to provide security since they can't get top dollar this year. Find a contender to commit to... 2. More FAs will take shorter term deals so that they can re up sooner when cap is better? 3. The tier 2 FAs will have a tough time finding a job at what is perceived 'market value Just an interesting twist on the "we don't have any money to spend" argument. Might this be the year where you can get the FA you want by creative deal structure rather than what you can pay this year? What are your thoughts? Beane needs to make some cuts and not overpay Milano who is an average to good LB, he is not going to carry you to wins on his own with game breaking plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 hours ago, TPS said: Good topic. I was thinking about this a couple days ago in relation to Yolo’s ongoing threads about Bills FAs. I looked at spotrac which shows 12 teams currently over the projected cap. My thinking is that teams may find it easier to keep the FAs they want as well. I can’t see mongo getting over $8 mil as spotrac projected. They don’t adjust their projections based on a lower cap. The most interesting will be Milano. Certainly there are teams with significant cap space and they will be in the catbird seat this year. This is a good call out. Milano and Mongo are good but not the top tier so they may not see the upside in open market they may think. 1 year deal to stay here and test waters next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 There are teams with cap room so the top guys will get their money as usual. The mid level and lower tier guys will be where the bargains are to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Don't expect the Bills to do anything noteworthy this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 TE, OLB/MLB, and DE (like a real pass rusher, i suppose a DT could do, but we need DE) are more available in FA than they will be for years to come. I'd really like bean and co to step up and bring those guys in, restructuring and cutting guys, and we can be a better running, blocking, passing, tackling, covering, and pass rushing team with the right moves and a lot of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Beane needs to make some cuts and not overpay Milano who is an average to good LB, he is not going to carry you to wins on his own with game breaking plays Not on his own, no. But he's a lot better than you're saying here, and it shows. The whole defense is elevated when Milano's playing. He doesn't deserve top pass rushing LB $, but he absolutely deserves to be in the $11 - $13M a year range, and I'm hoping they can sign him with a smaller hit this year and more guaranteed money down the road. IMO they'd love to get him back, but injuries are a legit concern with him. Edited February 11, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 18 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Some of our best finds have been bargains hunts. Darryl Williams is a prime example of that. Even Feliciano. Jordan Poyer years ago. Guys that didn’t break the bank to sign and not many were familiar with. There’s going to be a lot of veterans out there this year if teams have to make a lot of cuts for salary Yeah, I remember when they signed Poyer and Hyde to be the starting safeties. I had a WTF response. in retrospect, it was a sign these guys knew what they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, ColeB said: Yeah, I remember when they signed Poyer and Hyde to be the starting safeties. I had a WTF response. in retrospect, it was a sign these guys knew what they were doing. Exactly i refuse to believe that there aren’t a couple of young stud linebackers waiting in the wings somewhere on other teams that wouldn’t jump at the chance to be playing in January or February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 It's a buyers market this year and probably next year. I think teams are going to be very conservative until the league is confident fans can resume attending games in person. 3/4 of the league may be in yard sale mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, ColeB said: Yeah, I remember when they signed Poyer and Hyde to be the starting safeties. I had a WTF response. in retrospect, it was a sign these guys knew what they were doing. I definitely knew who Hyde was and I was excited for that one. If I remember correctly he played mostly slot corner in Green Bay. Poyer though.. I had no clue he could be a starter or who he was. I still don’t think he’s overly great (thought this year was definitely his best) but he’s been a solid starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliemets Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I remember the first day of NHL Free agency in October. With a few exceptions, free Agents were signing quickly for short deals way belowall over the league. After a few days it was clear guys wanted a chair before the music stopped and they were frozen out. In hockey at least some mid level Europeans can return home as there are other leagues I can see a similar situation this year in the NFL. Also think Bills can be an attractive destination for a player looking to get a ring, something we aren't used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 We need to pick up some solid help so fingers crossee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Probably should wait until they announce the cap number. https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/nfl-salary-cap-might-not-crash-after-all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Not on his own, no. But he's a lot better than you're saying here, and it shows. The whole defense is elevated when Milano's playing. He doesn't deserve top pass rushing LB $, but he absolutely deserves to be in the $11 - $13M a year range, and I'm hoping they can sign him with a smaller hit this year and more guaranteed money down the road. IMO they'd love to get him back, but injuries are a legit concern with him. No chance we have a shot a pass rushing free agent if we pay Milano that kind of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 It may be but if these players want more money than a team is willing to give they could be in a bit of trouble this is where the FO will have to pull out all the stops as far as playing the games they do with signing bonuses and all . I wish all of the contracts were done on a performance based idea because a lot of teams like Seattle, the Saints are strapped with the big money the QB gets it's crazy . Brady gave Tampa a restructured deal i guess so the team could keep better players & i wondered if Josh would be that guy for the Bills ? I often wonder just how much is too much when it comes to pay for these guys then there are those that complain that it's not near enough money ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 Figured I'd bump this as chase Edmonds seems to agree with my original premise. Beans is creative and loves 1 year gap filler deals. Could we get on the super team bandwagon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 1:07 PM, Rc2catch said: I think it will be a lot of shorter deals. Given the financial instability going forward and not knowing when fans can fill stadiums I think teams will try as many 1 year deals as possible. But I think there’s enough teams with money that the top 5-10 at each position still get paid. For me it looks like a fantastic bargain shopper offseason. We should be used to looking for mid to low tiered free agents who hopefully have untapped potential or coming off injury. I agree. We will see a lot of bargain 1 year deals for good free agents. They’ll want to hit FA next offseason when teams have money to spend. Top players won’t see much of a hit though. They will get their high dollar multi year deals with low first year cap hits just the same. I think we will see some teams get creative too. Three or four year deals that are really one year bargain deals with options for high dollar 2-3 extensions will probably happen too. No real harm for either side in going that route and that type of structure would reduce the first year cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 9:28 AM, nucci said: Probably should wait until they announce the cap number. https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/nfl-salary-cap-might-not-crash-after-all I worked through this scenario months ago. It makes some sense to smooth out the cap, but it has one serious flaw - the teams in position to capitalize on it. For every Philadelphia there’s a Washington. You think that after the Saints dominating the NFCS for 4 years that the other teams in that division don’t want to see them crippled for a few seasons? This is a selfish play by the teams way over the cap to help themselves out. There’s no real concern for the players or the league. The decrease should be manageable for the vast majority of teams so I do not see much happening with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I’d like to see the Bills try to improve, to me that often times means letting your guys go and getting better players in. Milano, buh-bye, he stands out here because the LBs on this roster are fringe back ups. The entire D line could be rolled over as well. Outside of Oliver, they are older guys, who under performed, not the guys who are going to be in demand anywhere. I’d have no issue with 3 new starters on the DL. Oliver needs to step up or step out pretty soon though (don’t start, he’s barely played at a starting level, unacceptable for a top 10 pick). in an ideal world the DL can be shaken up, go after a real Edge guy, hopefully snag Watt, get back star or adequately replace him, lose all the dead weight. Hughes to me is past his prime, I’d have no issue if he’s back or not, Addison was a flash in the pan, decent start to the year, invisible late, I honestly don’t even remember the name of the guy we signed from Seattle, he was that good, so there’s a LOT of improvement to be made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 5:47 AM, ColeB said: Yeah, I remember when they signed Poyer and Hyde to be the starting safeties. I had a WTF response. in retrospect, it was a sign these guys knew what they were doing. Just for the record Hyde and Poyer were signed by McD and Whaley not Beane. Beane is the guy that overpaid for Murphy, Morse, and Star. Beane did well to add Feliciano but he paid $4 million more for Spencer Long. The Williams signing was great. Beasley and Brown too. Addison, Butler, and Jefferson all underperformed their contracts. Beane got Allen and that probably all that matters. His record in free agency is average at best. He earns far better grades with the trades he has made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 6:00 PM, Hebert19 said: With less money to go around you would have to assume there will be some creative deals struck and the price of some of the FAs will go down. There are few teams with lots of money to spend and there are quite a number of premium FAs so is it possible: 1. that some will go with longer term backend loaded deals to provide security since they can't get top dollar this year. Find a contender to commit to... 2. More FAs will take shorter term deals so that they can re up sooner when cap is better? 3. The tier 2 FAs will have a tough time finding a job at what is perceived 'market value Just an interesting twist on the "we don't have any money to spend" argument. Might this be the year where you can get the FA you want by creative deal structure rather than what you can pay this year? What are your thoughts? I think #2 and #3 are kind of the same thing. The 1st tier guys will sign and get their money and the teams will find ways to make the accounting work (which is what the cap is, it's an accounting regulation). Tier 2 FAs will find themselves having to take short 1 and 2 year deals IMO where they play for below their perceived worth in 2021. Tier 3 or "dust settles" FAs will find themselves close to vet minimum or sitting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 10:07 AM, Rc2catch said: I think it will be a lot of shorter deals. Given the financial instability going forward and not knowing when fans can fill stadiums I think teams will try as many 1 year deals as possible. But I think there’s enough teams with money that the top 5-10 at each position still get paid. For me it looks like a fantastic bargain shopper offseason. We should be used to looking for mid to low tiered free agents who hopefully have untapped potential or coming off injury. Interesting article on TBD home page on this Carl Lawson as potentially a better DE option than Watt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 10:35 AM, T master said: It may be but if these players want more money than a team is willing to give they could be in a bit of trouble this is where the FO will have to pull out all the stops as far as playing the games they do with signing bonuses and all . I wish all of the contracts were done on a performance based idea because a lot of teams like Seattle, the Saints are strapped with the big money the QB gets it's crazy . Brady gave Tampa a restructured deal i guess so the team could keep better players & i wondered if Josh would be that guy for the Bills ? I often wonder just how much is too much when it comes to pay for these guys then there are those that complain that it's not near enough money ??? A team hits the “to much” point when the QBs pay prevents the team from having enough other talent to win it all, it is really quite simple, some day teams will figure this out, maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Just for the record Hyde and Poyer were signed by McD and Whaley not Beane. Beane is the guy that overpaid for Murphy, Morse, and Star. Beane did well to add Feliciano but he paid $4 million more for Spencer Long. The Williams signing was great. Beasley and Brown too. Addison, Butler, and Jefferson all underperformed their contracts. Beane got Allen and that probably all that matters. His record in free agency is average at best. He earns far better grades with the trades he has made. Oh, so you’re saying that he’s a GM that hits on some and misses on some. Just like every GM. Only difference is, Beanes team made the final 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ColeB said: Interesting article on TBD home page on this Carl Lawson as potentially a better DE option than Watt. I thought so too. I would LOVE to get a pass rusher with his best years ahead of him for once. Lawson is a guy who could really blossom into a great player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: Oh, so you’re saying that he’s a GM that hits on some and misses on some. Just like every GM. Only difference is, Beanes team made the final 4 Just pointing out facts. Beane wasn’t the GM for many of the moves people are giving “them” credit for making. Yes. He got Allen and Diggs. And he has made some good and bad moves in free agency. But every GM does. People on this board seem to think he is infailible and only remember the moves that work. He wastes a few more draft picks than I like moving up in the draft, but he also drafts for need which I favor. Yes they made the final 4 but now the cap space is mostly gone and that is before Allen has been extended. There are plenty of moves that can be made to clear space, and it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 45 days. He has professed draft well and sign your own but so far that has only applied to White and Dawkins(McD and Whaley picks). Now he is poised to let Milano walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Just pointing out facts. Beane wasn’t the GM for many of the moves people are giving “them” credit for making. Yes. He got Allen and Diggs. And he has made some good and bad moves in free agency. But every GM does. People on this board seem to think he is infailible and only remember the moves that work. He wastes a few more draft picks than I like moving up in the draft, but he also drafts for need which I favor. Yes they made the final 4 but now the cap space is mostly gone and that is before Allen has been extended. There are plenty of moves that can be made to clear space, and it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 45 days. He has professed draft well and sign your own but so far that has only applied to White and Dawkins(McD and Whaley picks). Now he is poised to let Milano walk. So you’re saying?...... He’s overrated? He’s just another GM? He should be replaced? everything he’s done has led a franchise that hadn’t made the playoffs for almost 20 years, to: the AFCCG, 3 playoff appearances in 4 years, and elite franchise QB, being a destination for ring chasers. He’s done a great job and just like every other great GM in history....has a history of failures to go along with his success. He might not be the best GM in the league....and that’s Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The notion of 1 year rentals confuses me. Those are rougher on a tight cap. I would think there would be more 2-3 year deals that backload cash or structure creatively. Deals that have team friendly out clauses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 8:00 PM, Hebert19 said: With less money to go around you would have to assume there will be some creative deals struck and the price of some of the FAs will go down. There are few teams with lots of money to spend and there are quite a number of premium FAs so is it possible: 1. that some will go with longer term backend loaded deals to provide security since they can't get top dollar this year. Find a contender to commit to... 2. More FAs will take shorter term deals so that they can re up sooner when cap is better? 3. The tier 2 FAs will have a tough time finding a job at what is perceived 'market value Just an interesting twist on the "we don't have any money to spend" argument. Might this be the year where you can get the FA you want by creative deal structure rather than what you can pay this year? What are your thoughts? Plus teams especially the Bills will coveat players that were cut because they won't affect the comp formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ColeB said: Interesting article on TBD home page on this Carl Lawson as potentially a better DE option than Watt. He’s my number one pass rusher target. Should command an Addison type contract with quadruple the qb pressures. Sign me up. He AND watt would be formidable, but we would have to cut Jerry along with the other 3 DL we signed last year. lawson is young and plays Jerrys position. Not sure if they’d be ideal playing opposite each other. But both would be ideal playing opposite Watt. Jerry is my dude and I don’t want to see him go, but landing both of these guys would be spectacular and worth cutting Jerry for imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 9:35 PM, Rc2catch said: Some of our best finds have been bargains hunts. Darryl Williams is a prime example of that. Even Feliciano. Jordan Poyer years ago. Guys that didn’t break the bank to sign and not many were familiar with. There’s going to be a lot of veterans out there this year if teams have to make a lot of cuts for salary The players I believe fit this mold and I believe the Bills will show interest in amongst others. G/T - Denzel Good DE- Carl Lawson RB- D'Onta Foreman RB - Marlon Mack Wr- John Ross FS- Malik Hooker DT- Kawan Short DE- Aldon Smith DE- Everson Griffen I'm not saying we'll add them all of course just feel like well add a couple of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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