Rising Tide Lifts All Boats - Schefter sez Jets could get 1st round pick for Darnold

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/nfl-rumors-jets-can-get-late-1st-round-draft-pick-for-sam-darnold-espns-adam-schefter-reports.html

 

A late 1st round, but still.

 

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ESPN’s Adam Schefter answered that question Tuesday on the “Haberman & Middlekauff” YouTube show.

“Depends on the level of interest and it depends on how the quarterback chairs fall. So if all of a sudden, there were a bunch of teams in on Matthew Stafford and they look at Sam Darnold and they say, ‘You know, we really like this guy.’ Do I think they’re getting a top-10 pick for Sam Darnold? No. Do I think that they could get a first-round pick, a later first-round pick? Yes, yes.”

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“Sam Darnold, in my mind, I know that some people will say no way, they’ll say he’s not worth a first-round pick. I headed into the offseason thinking they would get a second-round pick and maybe something else for him. I thought that would be his value if they decided to trade him. I think with all the movement going on, I think with what Matthew Stafford went for, I think his value, in then, again if they trade him, will be some sort of late one. That’s my sense and belief.”

 

[YoloinOhio]

I’m not a huge Darnold fan going back to his usc days but if Rosen fetched a 2nd... not at all surprised Darnold could go for a late 1st. Jimmy G also went for a 2nd and he had only started like 4 games. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/nfl-rumors-jets-can-get-late-1st-round-draft-pick-for-sam-darnold-espns-adam-schefter-reports.html

 

A late 1st round, but still.

 

 

 

Bucs could trade 31/32 maybe?  Its just tough because he's burned through his cheap contract.  

[njbuff]

Anyone who trades a first round pick for Darnold needs to go into and STAY in QB purgatory.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/nfl-rumors-jets-can-get-late-1st-round-draft-pick-for-sam-darnold-espns-adam-schefter-reports.html

 

A late 1st round, but still.

 

 

 

 

The same people who say "no way" would be open to selecting Aloe Vera Tucker,  offensive guard.......with that pick.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I’m not a huge Darnold fan going back to his usc days but if Rosen fetched a 2nd... not at all surprised Darnold could go for a late 1st. Jimmy G also went for a 2nd and he had only started like 4 games. 

 

I think Rosen fetched a 2nd because there was a widespread perception he'd come into a bad situation and because of the coaching change.

Jimmy G looked terrific in those 4 games.  But sure, part of what people were trading for was promise and potential.

 

The problem with Sam Darnold is he's started 38 games now, played under two HC/OCs, and looks to be getting worse not better. He's been devalued by greater exposure causing perception of lower potential.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

5 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Anyone who trades a first round pick for Darnold needs to go into and STAY in QB purgatory.

Disagree.  Anyone who gives a late first for Darnold is simply acknowledging that the Jets organization is a tire fire and almost no one had a chance to succeed in that position.

 

Would Josh Allen be exactly the same QB he is today if he had been drafted by the Jets?

 

I would suggest he would not be.

 

Those who liked Darnold to begin with could easily give a first for him.

 

I thought he regressed in his last year at USC and hasn't ever really shined as hoped for, but these NFL guys love to retread people over and over and over, always thinking they are the magic QB whisperer who can turn things around.

 

Darnold deserves at least another shot at a different organization, as does Josh Rosen in my opinion.  He may have had the single worst QB entry into the NFL in league history.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Bucs could trade 31/32 maybe?  Its just tough because he's burned through his cheap contract.  

He has another year, similar to where jimmy G was when he was traded. Acquiring team could pick up 5th year option (assuming he’s traded prior to May) or decline and wait to see how he does. Colts would be a great fit. 

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Rosen fetched a 2nd because there was a widespread perception he'd come into a bad situation and because of the coaching change.

Jimmy G looked terrific in those 4 games.  But sure, part of what people were trading for was promise and potential.

 

The problem with Sam Darnold is he's started 38 games now, played under two HC/OCs, and looks to be getting worse not better. He's been devalued by greater exposure causing perception of lower potential.

 

 

I don’t like Darnold but I do think the perception is that he’s been in a bad situation with little support -OL or weapons - and the Gase factor. A QB minded coach like frank reich might want to take a shot at him. 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The same people who say "no way" would be open to selecting Aloe Vera Tucker,  offensive guard.......with that pick.

 

 

As bad as our guards are, I pray he’s not our pick @ 30.  No guards in rd 1 or 2 please!!

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, NewEra said:

As bad as our guards are, I pray he’s not our pick @ 30.  No guards in rd 1 or 2 please!!

I would take Wyatt Davis at top of the 2nd in a trade town situation 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He has another year, similar to where jimmy G was when he was traded. Acquiring team could pick up 5th year option (assuming he’s traded prior to May) or decline and wait to see how he does. Colts would be a great fit. 

I don’t like Darnold but I do think the perception is that he’s been in a bad situation with little support -OL or weapons - and the Gase factor. A QB minded coach like frank reich might want to take a shot at him. 

Great spot. They do need to improve their WR group though.  Hilton is a FA and Pittman is the only guy with any upside imo.  All 3 TEs are meh too

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I would take Wyatt Davis at top of the 2nd in a trade town situation 

He’s a beast.  I’m just not a fan of drafting guards in rd 1 or 2.  I also don’t think he’ll be available in rd 2, but maybe the injury pushed him down? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t like Darnold but I do think the perception is that he’s been in a bad situation with little support -OL or weapons - and the Gase factor. A QB minded coach like frank reich might want to take a shot at him. 

 

I agree that's the perception, and agree about a QB minded coach wanting to bring him in for a look - but I don't see them wanting to pay a first round pick PLUS $4.7M in guaranteed salary to do so.

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Great spot. They do need to improve their WR group though.  Hilton is a FA and Pittman is the only guy with any upside imo.  All 3 TEs are meh too

He’s a beast.  I’m just not a fan of drafting guards in rd 1 or 2.  I also don’t think he’ll be available in rd 2, but maybe the injury pushed him down? 

I don’t think the injury will push him down as much as positional value. He would be a sweet fit on our OL next to Dawkins. 

Edited February 4, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

As bad as our guards are, I pray he’s not our pick @ 30.  No guards in rd 1 or 2 please!!

 

Is there actually a player named "Aloe Vera Tucker"?  Asking for a friend.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Is there actually a player named "Aloe Vera Tucker"?  Asking for a friend.

It’s Alijah Vera-Tucker  

[JohnNord]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Rosen fetched a 2nd because there was a widespread perception he'd come into a bad situation and because of the coaching change.

Jimmy G looked terrific in those 4 games.  But sure, part of what people were trading for was promise and potential.

 

The problem with Sam Darnold is he's started 38 games now, played under two HC/OCs, and looks to be getting worse not better. He's been devalued by greater exposure causing perception of lower potential.

 

 

I’m sure the Jets want a late first but based on Darnold the past two season, I’d be surprised if anyone gave up more than a 3rd.

 

For a team to trade a first round pick they really need to be convinced of that player’s ability.  I don’t think that any team would risk a first on Darnold.  A 3rd round pick would be a different story 

[No_Matter_What]

We have a late first... Hmm...

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree that's the perception, and agree about a QB minded coach wanting to bring him in for a look - but I don't see them wanting to pay a first round pick PLUS $4.7M in guaranteed salary to do so.

I wonder about the Saints and Colts. Saints are very much cap strapped but need a QB unless they actually want to sign Jameis. That’s cheap for a QB if you think he’s your starter. Not sure about Saints being ok with the 1st rounder, they need cheap talent to replace guys they will likely need to part with. Colts on the other hand have quite a bit of cap space and a late first. And the OL. Just need a couple more weapons. 

Edited February 4, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[hjnick]

I think Darnold would be a good fit for a team like Pittsburgh.  Big Ben probably has maybe 1 year left and Rudolph doesn't seem to be the answer there.

 

Give a 2nd and a next year's 4th? for Darnold.

 

Well if Watson is worth 6 firsts and Stafford 2 1sts and Goff... Darnold worth at least, what 1.5 firsts?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I wonder about the Saints and Colts. Saints are very much cap strapped but need a QB unless they actually want to sign Jameis. That’s cheap for a QB if you think he’s your starter. Not sure about Saints being ok with the 1st rounder, they need cheap talent to replace guys they will likely need to part with. Colts on the other hand have quite a bit of cap space and a late first. And the OL. Just need a couple more weapons. 

 

The Colts make a ton of sense. Their first round pick is in the right spot.  And Darnold could easily thrive in the system they have there. 

 

I don't get the Darnold nay-sayers. He has flashed really well at times.  Put him behind an all-pro line with two stud RB's-- he would be really productive. 

[aristocrat]

the bears might do it.  

[Fan in Chicago]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’m sure the Jets want a late first but based on Darnold the past two season, I’d be surprised if anyone gave up more than a 3rd.

 

For a team to trade a first round pick they really need to be convinced of that player’s ability.  I don’t think that any team would risk a first on Darnold.  A 3rd round pick would be a different story 

With so many QBs reportedly coming available via trade, there may be a "run on QBs" starting soon. I think the OP's point was that due to this sudden market movement, all QBs will be over-valued.

Much of this hoopla is due to Tannehill's success with the Titans, ignoring the fact that it is quite rare for a discarded QB to find good success with his second team. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

With so many QBs reportedly coming available via trade, there may be a "run on QBs" starting soon. I think the OP's point was that due to this sudden market movement, all QBs will be over-valued.

Much of this hoopla is due to Tannehill's success with the Titans, ignoring the fact that it is quite rare for a discarded QB to find good success with his second team. 

 

Jimmy G did play in a super bowl... but he wasn't exactly the guy that got them there.  

[Malazan]

Not many QBs drafted in the top 10 suck and then 'go to a good team' and 'find their groove'. You can count on one hand how often it's happened in the entire history of the NFL.

 

I watched all of the Jets games this year. Darnold is toast. Yes, he was in bad situation with a bad coach, etc, etc, but regardless of why, he sucks. The corpse of Joe Flacco significantly outplayed him. Darnold did the same boneheaded things he does now he did at USC and has not shown one iota of improvement. 

 

Anyone who uses the term 'flash' in regards to an NFL player should stop. It is the silliest thing to say. Every player can flash. They all have talent. It doesn't matter what you do in small spurts. If you can't do it consistently then it doesn't matter. 

 

Also, Shefter and Darnold have the same agent. Make you wonder if the best way to get Darnold out of the Jets isn't to make some team out there think there's *some* interest and to float a 3rd the Jets way that makes Douglas jump.

[billsfan89]

I had kind of pegged the Jets as being able to get a pick somewhere in the late 1st to mid 2nd for Darnold. I think the Steelers make a lot of sense for Darnold. The Steelers can bring back Big Ben on a one year deal and give Darnold a one year mini-extension. The Steelers can then sit Darnold for a year behind Big Ben and rebuild him. It would make sense for both parties and give Darnold a good shot to revive his career.

[Success]

It would not shock me AT ALL to see Darnold go someplace else and flourish.  They gave him nothing to work with in NY.  He gets ridiculed for the "ghosts" game, but he still has great skills & w/ proper coaching and good weapons he could still be an excellent QB in the NFL.

 

I'll tell ya this - I do NOT want to see him on the Patriots.

 

[Golden*Wheels]

I'd give a 5th rounder for the ghost he sees on the field. That dude covers like a monster.

[BuffaloRebound]

I think saints make tons of sense too for Darnold.  They are cap strapped and have Hill if Darnold continues to see ghosts.  I think Darnold could actually turn it around give the train wreck the Jets were, but it’s still a dicey proposition thinking the guy is suddenly gonna be good once he leaves the Jets.  1st round picks are truly being de-valued if Jets fetch one for Darnold. 

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not many QBs drafted in the top 10 suck and then 'go to a good team' and 'find their groove'. You can count on one hand how often it's happened in the entire history of the NFL.

 

I watched all of the Jets games this year. Darnold is toast. Yes, he was in bad situation with a bad coach, etc, etc, but regardless of why, he sucks. The corpse of Joe Flacco significantly outplayed him. Darnold did the same boneheaded things he does now he did at USC and has not shown one iota of improvement. 

 

Anyone who uses the term 'flash' in regards to an NFL player should stop. It is the silliest thing to say. Every player can flash. They all have talent. It doesn't matter what you do in small spurts. If you can't do it consistently then it doesn't matter. 

 

Also, Shefter and Darnold have the same agent. Make you wonder if the best way to get Darnold out of the Jets isn't to make some team out there think there's *some* interest and to float a 3rd the Jets way that makes Douglas jump.

Interesting take. It's got me thinking too - which top 10 QBs didn't produce for their first three years and then flourished a few years later, either for the team that drafted them or elsewhere?  I can think of Jim Plunkett, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Tannehill (not sure if he fits; he was never really that bad) and Alex Smith. Steve Bartkowski (questionable, but he did have a couple of very good seasons 6-7 years after he was drafted #1 overall), Vinnie Testaverde (similar), and Jeff George (believe it or not, similar) all semi-qualify too.  Maybe Sam Bradford? He played pretty well over the course of 17 games for Minnesota before getting hurt again. Maybe not. 

Anyway, your larger point stands: it's basically a sea of continued failure going back decades for top ten picks who fail out of the gate: http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Interesting take. It's got me thinking too - which top 10 QBs didn't produce for their first three years and then flourished a few years later, either for the team that drafted them or elsewhere?  I can think of Jim Plunkett, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Tannehill (not sure if he fits; he was never really that bad) and Alex Smith. Steve Bartkowski (questionable, but he did have a couple of very good seasons 6-7 years after he was drafted #1 overall), Vinnie Testaverde (similar), and Jeff George (believe it or not, similar) all semi-qualify too.  Maybe Sam Bradford? He played pretty well over the course of 17 games for Minnesota before getting hurt again. Maybe not. 

Anyway, your larger point stands: it's basically a sea of continued failure going back decades for top ten picks who fail out of the gate: http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb. 

 

Gannon and kerry collins come to mind.  Players who were essentially late bloomers, or just needed to find a new place.  Drew brees is the big one.  

[DrDawkinstein]

I look at it this way: Darnold is the 2nd best QB in this draft when compared to Fields and the kid from BYU (who I will refer to as "the new blaine gabbart").

 

If Fields and BYU are predicted to go top-10, then a late 1st for Darnold is a good deal.

 

I think Pittsburgh would be wise to pull this off.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Gannon and kerry collins come to mind.  Players who were essentially late bloomers, or just needed to find a new place.  Drew brees is the big one.  

Agreed, but @jeremy2020 specified top 10 draft picks. I hesitate to put Collins, who was one, in their given that the Panthers got to the NFC championship game in his second season. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Would Josh Allen be exactly the same QB he is today if he had been drafted by the Jets?

 

We'll never know.  But I've posted numerous times on this forum that I believe there is one key difference between Josh and Sam.  Josh has the drive and "want-to" to improve and be great.  I'm pretty certain at this point Sam does not.  Buyer beware.

[Warcodered]

This would actually make a lot of sense for Tampa Bay, Brady is in the last years of his career and taking a shot on a QB that was an early 1st round pick who was clearly hindered by very bad coaching would be a good idea.

[CIrvine]

I hope Darnold gets traded to an NFC team and plays really well just to make the Jets look bad.

[Nihilarian]

I honestly don't see the Jets moving on from Darnold this year. Like what the Bills did with Tyrod Taylor, as they may want to see what they have in Sam with a decent scheme with some talent around him.

 

OTOH, if they have already made up their minds about moving on, QBs Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields will all be there with the #2 pick.

 

Although, I would think they will want to go WR DeVonta Smith from Alabama to beat Miami to the punch. The Jets also have the #23rd pick in the first round for that defensive player or RB the HC might want. 

[RichRiderBills]

Seems unlikely to me, more Jets wishful thinking....unless it is to Pats.

 

Frankly, id keep Sam and give him some weapons. 

 

 

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/nfl-rumors-jets-can-get-late-1st-round-draft-pick-for-sam-darnold-espns-adam-schefter-reports.html

 

A late 1st round, but still.

 

 

So basically an UNO for a MONO?

[HOFWingman17]

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not many QBs drafted in the top 10 suck and then 'go to a good team' and 'find their groove'. You can count on one hand how often it's happened in the entire history of the NFL.

 

I watched all of the Jets games this year. Darnold is toast. Yes, he was in bad situation with a bad coach, etc, etc, but regardless of why, he sucks. The corpse of Joe Flacco significantly outplayed him. Darnold did the same boneheaded things he does now he did at USC and has not shown one iota of improvement. 

 

Anyone who uses the term 'flash' in regards to an NFL player should stop. It is the silliest thing to say. Every player can flash. They all have talent. It doesn't matter what you do in small spurts. If you can't do it consistently then it doesn't matter. 

 

Also, Shefter and Darnold have the same agent. Make you wonder if the best way to get Darnold out of the Jets isn't to make some team out there think there's *some* interest and to float a 3rd the Jets way that makes Douglas jump.

Not sure what this has to do with Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold is a talent and can be successful in the league. Keep in mind our personnel team had two QB's they coveted in that draft. Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. In addition, and without looking it up, Steve Young, Jim Plunkett, Brett Favre, Vinny Testaverde, Johnny Unitas, and Jack Kemp all struggled with their original teams before they went on to have success with their next teams. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

45 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Seems unlikely to me, more Jets wishful thinking....unless it is to Pats.

 

Frankly, id keep Sam and give him some weapons. 

 

 

 

I mean... they can't run the ball and they have no receivers.  They have no identity.  

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Agreed, but @jeremy2020 specified top 10 draft picks. I hesitate to put Collins, who was one, in their given that the Panthers got to the NFC championship game in his second season. 

 

Hes a tricky case cuz he flamed out largely due to alcohol. Carson Palmer might fit the bill - traded in his prime to oakland. Put up his statisitcal bests in Arizona on his 3rd team.

Edited February 4, 2021 by dneveu