John from Riverside Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: With what money? He took a prove it deal and will now get a massive contract. Someone will easily outbid the Bills for him. He is a decent starting tackle, someone will offer crazy money. With the money we are going to get from reworking Morse contract and not signing John Feliciano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: What do we need on OL? Allen had plenty of time pretty much all season Three starters are FA - Rt, Rg, Lg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: What do we need on OL? Allen had plenty of time pretty much all season Holes for running backs ....lots of holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: What is wrong with the one we have? Just resign Williams He may not be the best run blocking RT but his mad skills on pass pro may overcome that. The point being made is that signing Daryl Williams will require us to use some of the cap dollars we free up by cutting or restructuring last seasons' big-signing and underperforming DLmen (and then we may have to backfill there) - we can't just use it all to sign Milano and Watt as is being suggested here. 40 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: With the money we are going to get from reworking Morse contract and not signing John Feliciano We don't GET any money from not signing Jon Feliciano - he's a FA and not counted against our current just-at-the-cap Reworking Morse will give us perhaps $3M Williams will probably command top-10 RT money, $8-11M/yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He may not be the best run blocking RT but his mad skills on pass pro may overcome that. The point being made is that signing Daryl Williams will require us to use some of the cap dollars we free up by cutting or restructuring last seasons' big-signing and underperforming DLmen (and then we may have to backfill there) - we can't just use it all to sign Milano and Watt as is being suggested here. Right on. His run blocking is the one thing that gives me slight pause in paying him. If we do move on though I hope they have a backup plan in free agency. This past seasons run blocking has made me feel less of a man lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, TheBeaneBandit said: Right on. His run blocking is the one thing that gives me slight pause in paying him. If we do move on though I hope they have a backup plan in free agency. This past seasons run blocking has made me feel less of a man lol. I'm pretty sure they have several layers of plans. We just have to hope they're good plans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 hours ago, ColeB said: Milano will end up with the Patriots. I could be wrong, but I don't think he's their best fit. I would guess Jaguars or possibly Washington Football Team. Jaguars have crazy cap space, they're rebuilding, and they're about to get their hoped-for Franchise Boy QB on a cheap deal for 4 years. I will say this: Milano is absolutely persuaded he's Getting Paid what he wants, with terms he wants, by someone. The man hardly ever posts on Instagram or Twitter. He just posted two things on Instagram: 1) himself at Papi's Steakhouse in Miami with a yacht salesman (like literally - tagged guy who is identified as a yacht salesman) 2) This photo of Steve Martin and Michael Caine from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels Now there's nothing wrong with being in Miami and having dinner with a yacht salesman. Nothing wrong with posting an iconic movie photo. No tampering, nothing to see here. Message seems damned clear when you know Milano's minimalist social media posting history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Message seems damned clear when you know Milano's minimalist social media posting history What are Milano/agent thinking? How would anyone think this is a good message to send? It might be a fun thing to send to friends/family/old coworkers - but for the general public it doesn't play well (and who wouldn't think this would get out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, pigpen65 said: Milano is a big loss without a doubt. He is a difference maker. Depressing to lose him because, like Shaq and Phillips, there's no amount of sugar coating that can get around the fact that when you lose play makers on defense the defense gets worse. You cannot pay everyone. And It gets worse only if you don’t adequately replace them. Losing Shaq and Phillips wasn’t the issue. Replacing them with the right players on the DL (and to a bigger degree losing Star to Covid opt out, something no one could have predicted when FA signings Were taking place last offseadon) was the issue. If they knew Star wouldn’t be there, would they have made those same 3 signings of Addison, Q and butler? Maybe, maybe not. They weren’t terrible but they weren’t great, the loss of Star contributed to Oliver having to play out of position at 1 tech and even Q at 1 tech at times. Paying Shaq and Phillips would not have made much difference to the DL with this same issue imo. A good FO doesn’t overpay for non elite, non core players. An all pro corner, a LT, a QB, back up the brinks. In this case though they should be able to draft a replacement that can step in, there are day 2 LBs that were better than Milano in college, and are projected to start day 1. it’s up to the FO to pick the right one for what they want to do on D and then develop him properly in the system. This is all to say that you should offer Milano a contract because he’s been good in this defense. And I believe they have, based on Beane’s comments. But you do not overpay above the value you’ve placed on him because that shows you fear you cannot replace him. That should never be the case at Off-ball LB because it says you don’t trust your scouts. This not a premium position. This is the exact type of position you don’t overpay for when building a team. jmo Edited February 21, 2021 by YoloinOhio 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be wrong, but I don't think he's their best fit. I would guess Jaguars or possibly Washington Football Team. Jaguars have crazy cap space, they're rebuilding, and they're about to get their hoped-for Franchise Boy QB on a cheap deal for 4 years. I will say this: Milano is absolutely persuaded he's Getting Paid what he wants, with terms he wants, by someone. The man hardly ever posts on Instagram or Twitter. He just posted two things on Instagram: 1) himself at Papi's Steakhouse in Miami with a yacht salesman (like literally - tagged guy who is identified as a yacht salesman) 2) This photo of Steve Martin and Michael Caine from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels Now there's nothing wrong with being in Miami and having dinner with a yacht salesman. Nothing wrong with posting an iconic movie photo. No tampering, nothing to see here. Message seems damned clear when you know Milano's minimalist social media posting history Did you see Milano's agent's lips move? 🤔 *😁 33 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: It might be a fun thing to send to friends/family/old coworkers - but for the general public it doesn't play well (and who wouldn't think this would get out). Maybe Gregg Williams went into PR? Seems like his 'subtle hand'. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: What are Milano/agent thinking? How would anyone think this is a good message to send? It might be a fun thing to send to friends/family/old coworkers - but for the general public it doesn't play well (and who wouldn't think this would get out). Well, it's on his Instagram feed, which is not private....so of course it's intended to get out. Call me naive if you like, but how is this a bad message to send? The plausible deniability is strong with this one. He's thinking about buying a boat. He just re-watched that movie. Everyone and his Cat knows that at the Senior Bowl in January and combine in February, agents and front office people have drinks and dinner and, in a perfectly hypothetical way of course, chat about what their clients want/what teams are willing to pay for a free agent of similar abilities. Most deals are brokered informally well before the start of the "Legal Tampering" period. I think the point of the Wawrow/AP article (whether it came from the Bills, or from Milano's camp) was that Milano's camp politely let the Bills know what they thought they'd lined up so that the Bills could match, and the Bills said "sorry, no can do, Godspeed!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Might his teammates start calling him "Top Dollar"? Like, "hey, Top Dollar, you gonna pick up the check, right?" Should be inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Isn't Milano the minimalist who lives on peanut butter and tuna, sleeps on a cot, and fits all his clothes into a backpack? Looks like he'll be stepping up to albacore. Perhaps he's an ironist, too? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: With the money we are going to get from reworking Morse contract and not signing John Feliciano You'd need plenty more than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) On 2/21/2021 at 4:38 PM, Mountain Man said: It's the reality of having a franchise QB to pay. You have to make compromises and take risks. Its why on paper contending teams often have weaker looking teams than bad teams. Milano is a loss, but that's the reality now. You can't be great at every position AND pay a QB. Look at the Saints, Packers, Patriots even the Chiefs in recent years, all have had obvious roster flaws. Welcome to the reality of being a SuperBowl contender This is an excellent case of pre-hatch chicken counting. Milano's loss isn't a reality. It's a possibility. It's probably the best guess but it won't be the reality till he signs a new contract with another team. And we haven't paid Allen, nor are we likely to give him a contract this year that will cost much of anything at all in 2021.. Big bucks after that? Yeah, seems very likely, but neither side will want the Bills to pay many cap bucks in 2021. And the reason you can't be great at every position has a lot more to do with human fallibility than money. The Eagles weren't perfect at every position either, but they won without paying huge money to a QB (Wentz was on a 4 year $26 million contract). On 2/21/2021 at 5:24 PM, John from Riverside said: What is wrong with the one we have? Just resign Williams Might easily be too expensive to be a good decision. But if possible at a sensible value, sure, re-sign him. Edited February 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: This is an excellent case of pre-hatch chicken counting. Milano's loss isn't a reality. It's a possibility. It's probably the best guess but it won't be the reality till he signs a new contract with another team. And we haven't paid Allen, nor are we likely to give him a contract this year that will cost much of anything at all in 2021.. Big bucks after that? Yeah, seems very likely, but neither side will want the Bills to pay many cap bucks in 2021. And the reason you can't be great at every position has a lot more to do with human fallibility than money. The Eagles weren't perfect at every position either, but they won without paying huge money to a QB (Wentz was on a 4 year $26 million contract). Might easily be too expensive to be a good decision. But if possible at a sensible value, sure, re-sign him. You may think it's not predetermined....but it is. Beane used the same language and almost the same words last year about Lawson and Phillips. He will not be paying market value for Milano and our young yacht shopper will not be anchoring in the Buffalo Marina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Blue on Blue said: Isn't Milano the minimalist who lives on peanut butter and tuna, sleeps on a cot, and fits all his clothes into a backpack? Looks like he'll be stepping up to albacore. Perhaps he's an ironist, too? Stepping into albacore: the life and times of millionaire pro athlete Mathew Milano 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: You may think it's not predetermined....but it is. Beane used the same language and almost the same words last year about Lawson and Phillips. He will not be paying market value for Milano and our young yacht shopper will not be anchoring in the Buffalo Marina. It was a yacht. But it was a simple yacht. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Draft Milanos replacement and use the savings on a OL that can run block 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, benderbender said: Draft Milanos replacement and use the savings on a OL that can run block OLB has historically been one of the easiest positions to transition to the NFL. Most times, you can get 5 good value years (1st round picks) out of LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, benderbender said: Draft Milanos replacement and use the savings on a OL that can run block That's pretty much where I am. Well, that, plus do whatever you can to improve the DL pressure we can get with 4 guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It was a yacht. But it was a simple yacht. A tasteful yacht 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) On 2/21/2021 at 5:11 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, it's on his Instagram feed, which is not private....so of course it's intended to get out. Call me naive if you like, but how is this a bad message to send? The plausible deniability is strong with this one. He's thinking about buying a boat. He just re-watched that movie. Everyone and his Cat knows that at the Senior Bowl in January and combine in February, agents and front office people have drinks and dinner and, in a perfectly hypothetical way of course, chat about what their clients want/what teams are willing to pay for a free agent of similar abilities. Most deals are brokered informally well before the start of the "Legal Tampering" period. I think the point of the Wawrow/AP article (whether it came from the Bills, or from Milano's camp) was that Milano's camp politely let the Bills know what they thought they'd lined up so that the Bills could match, and the Bills said "sorry, no can do, Godspeed!" Yea Milano's agent has a few dinners and informal chats works out roughly what the market is. Let's say for argument's sake (and because I think it is the reality) that number is around $11-12m AAV) in that Corey Littleton to Jaylon Smith range. He has an initial look and see conversation with Buffalo and because he knows it is a negotiation he opens at $13m and Beane opens at $9m.... it isn't a long conversation because both sides know that is a big bridge to cross and there is no driving incentive for either to shift dramatically. I am sure the door remains open to Matt. If the legal tampering period opens and he has no bites and the agent rings Beane and says "the number is $11m" then I am positive the Bills would be open to talk and see if they can come to a compromise. But there is no point exploring that when you start so far apart which I am guessing is where they are now. It is the business side of the sport, that is the way this cookie crumbles. Edited February 23, 2021 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Good not great player. He gone. Don't blame him for getting paid though. Best of luck #58. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Wait what's the issue with his yacht Instagram post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Hasta la vista baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 9 hours ago, GoBills808 said: A tasteful yacht A simple yet tasteful yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Money isn’t everything. MILLIONS of people live off of way less then these people and are just fine, like myself. Greed is a terrible thing. And this is not just about Milano, all these players making MILLIONS playing a GAME and having the nerve to complain about money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 6 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Money isn’t everything. MILLIONS of people live off of way less then these people and are just fine, like myself. Greed is a terrible thing. And this is not just about Milano, all these players making MILLIONS playing a GAME and having the nerve to complain about money. I only have 2 houses and 3 cars but I get along OK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Is there any free agent not looking for top dollar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 the more sort of breakdown tape i see of our LBs the past 3 seasons, the more i am convinced that in our D, milano's job is mentally much easier than edmunds. milano is really good at getting places on the field, and he's gotten better at taking on blocks, but his tackling technique is not really clean and he gets himself out of position sometimes. i've waffled back and forth, but i think if we can get a solid smart fundamental MLB (earlyish in the draft or even via FA if the money is right, a hyde/poyer type value) then sliding edmunds to OLB will make us all forget milano. from what i can see, they both have very similar roles, but the MLB in our D ends up having to diagnose more than one gap, decide on depth, and then go make the tackle. w our sad sack interior line play this season it left edumunds in the lurch way to often (his mistakes don'e help either). looking back at carolina when mccorch was there, when their pass rush fell off and big guys got hurt the struggled, but they still mashed people up when luke was out for a few games, so the interplay between the line and the lbs is not lost on me. one game that stands out a few years ago, was like 2014 or so carolina at SF. some low scoring slug fest. SF had a super physical gregg roman front, and carlina just straight up banged with them all day. i think if we get a couple monsters in the gut and improve our passrush edmunds and whoever can play disruption and clean up and get us to that level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Every player should say he wants top dollar since it is a cutthroat business but from what I have heard about him from his high school coaches he values winning as much as money, so he is likely to take less than top dollar to stay on a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, colin said: sliding edmunds to OLB will make us all forget milano. I don't know how many times this opinion has been shut down by the coaching staff. Edmunds will not be changing positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 7:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://apnews.com/article/nfl-football-coronavirus-pandemic-matt-milano-buffalo-bills-78e5474366e94f75bf9ce7f5d26bfe50 actual article He does point out that Beane said it was likely: The quote I had written down was "He intends to, and he's earned the right to, test free agency" which makes it sound as though the Bills knew it was a done deal that Milano intended (at the point of Beane's presser) to test the FA market. Some aspects I find a little strange about this: 1) Wawrow "teased" it on twitter, as if it were big news, instead of incremental news "Beane said he intended to do it, now there's a source with direct knowledge saying it's gonna happen". That's up to him, of course, but the next time I see this kinda tweet from him Imma be 🙄 2) The timing, as someone else pointed out - with FA actually 4 weeks away It's probably not in the Bills interest to tip their hand this early. But, if I were Milano's agent and wanted to drum up more business with limited opportunities for F2F contact with club personnel (limit on Sr Bowl, virtual combine), it makes perfect sense. 3) the rationale given Milano and his agent probably have some idea what offers have been "hypothetically" floated his way and how sure of a bet they are. Would the Bills? 🤷♂️ Some of the stats brought up are strange - I'm sure it's truth, but it seems like something someone comes up with when they're looking for a way to highlight their guy, y'know? 2019 was by far Milano's best year, with 15 games played, 101 combined tackles, 9 PD, a forced fumble, 7 TFL, 7 QB hits, and 1.5 sacks. But he didn't have any picks and only 1 fumble recovery. My feeling is if Milano had had a similar sort of year this season, the Bills would have been turning over rocks in their cap situation to find the money to sign him. But instead, the "11 games this season" Wawrow cites (I find 10 regular season plus 3 playoff games) over states his availability. Milano has generally played 100% of the defensive snaps plus substantial ST snaps since becoming a starter. But this season, that was true in only one (1) of the regular season games, Week 3. Total speculation: I'm wondering if the Bills made Milano an offer he considered insulting - not because of $$ because that's always going to start apart and get negotiated, but because the Bills made a bunch of contingent, in per-game and performance bonuses. The timing of it was the timing. A day after the NFL announced the minimum cap was going to be at least $180M, led to people speculating on the twitter of whether that changed the economics enough for the Bills to take a shot at re-signing Milano. Read as much between the lines as you want, nothing Beane said entirely ruled out Milano from being re-signed. Beane didn't even suggest he "expected" Milano to hit free agency. He simply said, he's earned the right to do so. Like it or not, I deal in absolutes, which is why the story was clear in saying Matt Milano will test free agency, as opposed to "intends to" or is "planning to" test free agency. That, under AP sourcing standards, wouldn't have been enough for me to write the story. I don't think I need to apologize for shedding further light on the matter. I asked the question, and received a definitive response. jw 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, john wawrow said: The timing of it was the timing. A day after the NFL announced the minimum cap was going to be at least $180M, led to people speculating on the twitter of whether that changed the economics enough for the Bills to take a shot at re-signing Milano. Read as much between the lines as you want, nothing Beane said entirely ruled out Milano from being re-signed. Beane didn't even suggest he "expected" Milano to hit free agency. He simply said, he's earned the right to do so. Like it or not, I deal in absolutes, which is why the story was clear in saying Matt Milano will test free agency, as opposed to "intends to" or is "planning to" test free agency. That, under AP sourcing standards, wouldn't have been enough for me to write the story. I don't think I need to apologize for shedding further light on the matter. I asked the question, and received a definitive response. Were you asked to apologize or something? Seems like a strange response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I'm still wondering why a minimalist needs top dollar in FA. His rookie contract should have set him up for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'm still wondering why a minimalist needs top dollar in FA. His rookie contract should have set him up for life. Gotta keep the ladies happy. They don’t call him Guido Torpedo for nuthin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Every player should say he wants top dollar since it is a cutthroat business but from what I have heard about him from his high school coaches he values winning as much as money, so he is likely to take less than top dollar to stay on a good team. Money wasn't his big issue in High School? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, john wawrow said: The timing of it was the timing. A day after the NFL announced the minimum cap was going to be at least $180M, led to people speculating on the twitter of whether that changed the economics enough for the Bills to take a shot at re-signing Milano. Read as much between the lines as you want, nothing Beane said entirely ruled out Milano from being re-signed. Beane didn't even suggest he "expected" Milano to hit free agency. He simply said, he's earned the right to do so. Like it or not, I deal in absolutes, which is why the story was clear in saying Matt Milano will test free agency, as opposed to "intends to" or is "planning to" test free agency. That, under AP sourcing standards, wouldn't have been enough for me to write the story. I don't think I need to apologize for shedding further light on the matter. I asked the question, and received a definitive response. jw Appreciate the story. Just seems strange that the Bills and Milano skipped right to Milano is testing free agency more than 3 weeks from free agency. I guess that implies Bills won’t be using franchise or transition tag on him and that they’re done negotiating if they had any negotiations at all. Not familiar with any other high profile free agents across the League where this has been publicly stated except for Milano. Why would Beane give other teams a 3 week head start on knowing Milano is gonna be available if Beane has any interest in retaining him? Bye Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'm still wondering why a minimalist needs top dollar in FA. His rookie contract should have set him up for life. Maybe he doesn't like a lot of personal possessions in his daily life, but he wants money for other reasons - family, business plans, world travel, buy a yacht... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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