Orlando Tim Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 First thing is bring in a better back- do not cut a cheap player until we have the improvement on rosterĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, balln said: Ā Saves us 1.1 million https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/devin-singletary-29110/ Ā Ā Draft this guy. Felton. Converted slot WR > now a RB. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk. This guy is a RB/slot WR/ kick returner all in one. Ā Gotta be ruthless Ā Ā Ā Cut no one, gotta be smart Ā Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Ā Cut no one, gotta be smart Ā Ā It may be semantics but donāt they pretty much have to cut someone?Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: First thing is bring in a better back- do not cut a cheap player until we have the improvement on rosterĀ We get zero cap relief by cutting him. I agree keep him around long enough to replace. He was so promising after his rookie year. Now he feels like RB3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 There is no reason to cut him until they need the cap space; first get replacement on roster and then check out replacement's camp, etc before cutting. It is also possible he has trade value by another team who feels that his performance can be approved by coaching. Ā Reactionary, tar and feather campaign, does nothing useful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It may be semantics but donāt they pretty much have to cut someone?Ā Ā Yes but my point is dont cut starting caliber players , let em sort it out in practice. Ā Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Singletary provides zero juice on an offense Ā that doesnāt run the ball much and needs the backs to be legitimate receivers out of the backfield. Ā Ā Itās not just the drop against KC. Ā Itās it his bungling a similar throw in a similar situation against KC earlier in the season. Ā Itās his utter lack of explosiveness. Ā Itās the fact Iāve watched him barely get the first down off the edge when no one was near him. Ā Ā Trade him for a late round pick. Ā Somebody will be intrigued by his in-a-phone-boothĀ shiftiness and rookie production. Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: Singletary provides zero juice on an offense Ā that doesnāt run the ball much and needs the backs to be legitimate receivers out of the backfield. Ā Ā Itās not just the drop against KC. Ā Itās it his bungling a similar throw in a similar situation against KC earlier in the season. Ā Itās his utter lack of explosiveness. Ā Itās the fact Iāve watched him barely get the first down off the edge when no one was near him. Ā Ā Trade him for a late round pick. Ā Somebody will be intrigued by his in-a-phone-boothĀ shiftiness and rookie production. Ā I'll take first downs, barely or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: I'll take first downs, barely or not. You mustāve loved Frank Gore then.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: First thing is bring in a better back- do not cut a cheap player until we have the improvement on rosterĀ Ā Also, do NOT cut a player you can trade for a draft pick. He does NOT SUCK. He has value, here or elsewhere. Iām pretty sure heāll be back, and almost positive he will NOT be cut.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I loved Motor last year.Ā Idk what happened this year. Didn't look like the same player. Lack of touches, butthurt because we drafted Moss...idk.Ā Hes just not scary, at all.Ā Felton is 185 lbs. No thanks. Gimme Harris.Ā Dudes a beast. Total package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Singletary is no Thurman Thomas but he's a decent backup RB. I would rush to cut him as he's the best RB on the roster as it stands now.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I'd simply keep moss and singletary for their pass blocking abilities for allen. And maybe upgrade the run OL and schemes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) I agree. Cut Singletary. He has worse hands than Dawson Knox Edited January 31, 2021 by Joe Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH HUFF Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 hours ago, balln said: Ā Saves us 1.1 million https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/devin-singletary-29110/ Ā Ā Draft this guy. Felton. Converted slot WR > now a RB. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk. This guy is a RB/slot WR/ kick returner all in one. Ā Gotta be ruthless Ā Ā Not over McKenzie!Ā McKenzie should take over Roberts spot for returns and is a good weapon when used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) I like Moss as much as the next Bills fan and have high hopes for him but he's not a sure thing right now, unfortunately. From what I'm reading, aĀ lot of the cut Singletary opinion seems to assume that Moss will work out. We really don't really know that yet. He showed some flashes, had a terrible fumble,Ā and never really took a game over. I'm not even sure if he conclusively looked better than Singletary, they stayed kind of neck and neck all year. Ā I hope they add at least one more back this offseason and if Devin ends up the odd man out, so be it, but he very well could be the best back on this roster right now. Edited January 31, 2021 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 See if the Broncos are interested in trading Phillip Lindsey for Singletary and a _______ roundĀ draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 13 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Oline schemes and play calling are questionable. Ā Why not add Moss to this thread too.Ā He didnāt do crap either.Ā Ā $1 mil? Ā The Vet minimum is $800k.Ā Ā Like seriously dude. Make it worthy of a thread.Ā Ā Shady, have you noticed the threads from posters under 1000. Ā They are inane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
below Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 LOL ...."saves 1.1 million". Ā The cap for 53 players will be like 175 million this year. Which means the AVERAGE cap hit per player in the NFL is over $3Ā million TJ Yeldon made over 2 million last year for god's sake. Ā Not only would outright cutting him be mind-numbingly stupid....you'd have to pay MORE to replace him. Ā What a dumb thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 14 hours ago, whorlnut said: You had me at ācut Singletaryā. I have seen enough. I really feel that the game was over once he dropped that pass. The way to beat the chiefs is to keep scoring and put pressure on them. Once the chiefs got the ball, they took the lead and it was all but over.Ā Nothing personal, I didnāt like the drop either and in fact this was the second game he dropped a wide open screen pass. He had a sure td in Tenn he dropped as well. Ā However, how bout we wait to see if Moss recovers, what happens to Yeldon, the draft, free agency and perhaps other injuries. People are calling for cuts all over and we donāt know how the draft plays out etc. Ā may very well happen but until we have valid replacements, and a plan , all this CUT talk seems fruitless at best. Ā Ā Not picking on you , many threads like this after one badĀ AFC Championship loss. Ā With covid tho change msy happen slowly or we may lose people we donāt want to. Just saying letās sit back, maybe let the season finish and go thru an off seaso perhaps with a retraining camp. I doubt anyone believed we would be in the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP game at beginning of tgeseason, so I doubt many oif us are qualified to already fill next years roster.Ā . If you want to read a lot if funny projections, go to epenesa s Ā fan Valās after he was picked. So many were saying what a great pick it was, he was going to be such a stud rushing and causing TFL S! Ā Even knowing we needed to score more, Beane still chose DLĀ over dobbins! So, my point is who knows, all this cut talk make look as foolish as last years epenesa praise! Ā When something happens like rams/ lions, then all the talk will be at least fact based! šš Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 hours ago, whatdrought said: You donāt unilaterally cut young players that have a record of performance unless it saves substantial money. He doesnāt even save us the $ needed to sign his replacement.Ā Ā That being said - Bring in competition. If he canāt make the team, cut him or trade him in August.Ā Well Singletary's record of performance is #44th rushing yardage in the NFL.Ā Ā There are 32 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Need better run blocking , easier said then done.Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Gotta be ruthless. Ā Don't gotta be stupid. Ā Cutting him with extremely little savings before someone beats him out would be outright stupid. Ā Beane made clear in his PC that he isn't looking at the RBs as having failed. It would be hard to miss what that means, but many obviously have. Ā It's possible that Singletary went from 2nd in the league in YPA to this year being below average because he regressed ... and it's possible that the other RB running behind the same line who most folks on here like more because of his one-cut and go, bruising style, that back had nearly the same YPA except a tenth of a yard less than Singletary because, because, I don't know, because the footing was bad and the sun was in their eyes, maybe. Ā It's possible. But it's not likely. Edited January 31, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 OK, I don't think we should cut Singletary NOW.Ā Ā I'm don't know when the time to cut him is that will save the team cap money or salary money. Ā I certainly hope that next year, the most we might be having him at is a 3rd or 4th round running back.Ā There will be a lot of much better running backs dropped from other teams because of the reduced cap, and that surplus will depress the market, so we can buy cheap.Ā If dropping him now saves money, do it.Ā If we can wait, well no reason to do it now. Ā Singletary has no value for a trade for a draft pick.Ā He has poor performance.Ā He is NOT going to be a starter on any other team.Ā He has a low ceiling.Ā Teams would be much better off claiming a veteran free agent with a low salary and better performance.Ā Alternately, they would be as well off taking a low round or undrafted RB as on speculation. Ā On another aspect,Ā we are not inside the Bill's coaching strategy sessions. Some posters have suggested that Moss/Singletary would be gangbusters if they only sere permitted to run the ball a lot more.Ā I think they don't run with the ball more because the coaches know it would be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 18 hours ago, BillsCuse said: It only savesĀ 1/2 a million with dead cap.Ā Agree we need an upgrade, but no point to cut him anytime soon.Ā If they upgrade, keep him as the 3rd back or try to flip him for a late rounder. yeah really no point in cutting him.Ā let him come to camp and compete with whoever else we bring in.Ā then decide.Ā silly reactionary post.Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 hours ago, SCBills said: You mustāve loved Frank Gore then.Ā I love first downs, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Well Singletary's record of performance is #44th rushing yardage in the NFL.Ā Ā There are 32 teams. Ā Lol. I mean, yeah. Letās completely ignore last year where shower quite a bit of promise... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Our 2 best RBs were on the practice squad. 2 guys that run hard. Get em up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 You do not cut Singletary.Ā Teams need multiple RBs, they get hurt - see Moss.Ā Also Singletary gives us continuity if needed in emergency.Ā And did have a good freshman year.Ā Cut Yeldon. Ā I would like a new RB1 candidate.Ā IMO, this should be drafted.Ā A drafted RB can be useful in his first season (unlike most TEs or pass rushers at the 30 spot).Ā The FA dollars should be spent on a veteran pass rusher and/or TE. Ā Also, I would say "No" to the squashable lightweight RB from UCLA.Ā Harris or Etienne please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: I love first downs, don't you? Not when itās a stretch play where an extra 5-10 yards were available and Singletary has to diveĀ for the first down marker because he doesnāt have the speed to catch the edge. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not when itās a stretch play where an extra 5-10 yards were available and Singletary has to diveĀ for the first down marker because he doesnāt have the speed to catch the edge. Ā Then your problem is with Dabol designing plays his backs can't execute.Ā Ā 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 hours ago, BillsCuse said: It only savesĀ 1/2 a million with dead cap.Ā Agree we need an upgrade, but no point to cut him anytime soon.Ā If they upgrade, keep him as the 3rd back or try to flip him for a late rounder. I agree, he is definitely in the bubble this camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Well Singletary's record of performance is #44th rushing yardage in the NFL.Ā Ā There are 32 teams. Ā See, this is why I could do the job of many of the talking heads of sports because IF YOU IGNORE CONTEXT then yeah, spit out stats that when further analyzed are exposed. Ā Zack Moss 112 RUSHES--481 YARDS--4.3 YPC Devin Singletary 156 RUSHES--687 YARDS--4.4Ā YPC Ā So when you split carries like that, what do you expect him to do, be in the Top 20 with 156 carries???Ā Ā -------------------- Ā Here is another NFL HB on a very successsful playoff team: 181 RUSHES--803 YARDS--4.4 YPC Ā Maybe that playoff team should cut that HB... he's the same as Devin Singletary. But what do I know? Ā Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Then your problem is with Dabol designing plays his backs can't execute.Ā Ā Itās not... at all. Ā Ā Cant design stretch plays for him. Ā Canāt design reliable pass plays for him. Ā Canāt run off tackle with him. Ā Ā Iām sure he could be good on a team with a strong OL that relies more on the run. Ā His shiftiness will probably turn those downhill 5 yard runs into 8-10 yard runs. Ā Ā Ā Thatās not here, nor do I want to completely revamp our OL to suit aĀ slow RB who struggles at pass catchingĀ withĀ potential detriment to pass pro. Ā Ā Ā We can certainly upgrade the interior, butĀ Yeldon and MossĀ did everything better than Singletary in their chancesĀ this year. Ā Ā Edited January 31, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Not a great post-season for him. But I also have to say that the Bills didnāt help him out either. They barely give him any touches and when they did,Ā the missed blocks doomed the running plays. And if they had him running more off of read options, he probably looks way moreĀ effective. Ā He needs to play better. The team though needs to play better around him. Ā The knee-jerk reactions based solely onĀ the last two games are really amazing.Ā Agree. Ā You donāt cut a 2 year player with a favorable contract until you have a better player in place. Ā Ā OK, the guy dropped a pass and it hurt us. Ā Beane told us the running game needs fixing but to point directly and only at the running backs would be a mistake. Ā Blocking, Ā scheme andĀ formations, and commitment all are involved. Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 hours ago, Logic said: This idea is silly and reactionary. Ā Singletary was not the problem this year. Ā You donāt need to promise him a starting spot, by any means, but he has value on this team. Ā Cutting him outright would be foolish. Heās not a good RB. Ā Doesnāt really do one thing well with the exception of making āsomeā guys miss in open space.Ā Ā Now I am not saying cut him, but heās definitely a part of the problem in terms of the run game IMOĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Well Singletary's record of performance is #44th rushing yardage in the NFL.Ā Ā There are 32 teams. šĀ 1.Ā RB by committee. Ā 2. Dabolls game plan.Ā 3. Even Thurman Thomas era had a 3rd down back with Kenny Davis.Ā Ā Just sayingĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Ā See, this is why I could do the job of many of the talking heads of sports because IF YOU IGNORE CONTEXT then yeah, spit out stats that when further analyzed are exposed. Ā Zack Moss 112 RUSHES--481 YARDS--4.3 YPC Devin Singletary 156 RUSHES--687 YARDS--4.4Ā YPC Ā So when you split carries like that, what do you expect him to do, be in the Top 20 with 156 carries???Ā Ā -------------------- Ā Here is another NFL HB on a very successsful playoff team: 181 RUSHES--803 YARDS--4.4 YPC Ā Maybe that playoff team should cut that HB... he's the same as Devin Singletary. But what do I know? Ā Ā Well I didn't know that other teams didn't split up their RB carries between different players.Ā Thanks for the new information that the rest of the world doesn't know about.Ā Oh and ever if you count up all the carries that Moss and Singletary got , they are 27% of the Bills plays.Ā The next highest team is #33 where there were 33% rushing plays. Ā 3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: šĀ 1.Ā RB by committee. Ā 2. Dabolls game plan.Ā 3. Even Thurman Thomas era had a 3rd down back with Kenny Davis.Ā Ā Just sayingĀ Do either of them scare the other teams?Ā Do other teams scheme how to stop those two.Ā ... Just saying. 8 hours ago, ALF said: Need better run blocking , easier said then done.Ā Ā Well, scheme that exploits speedy RB's are NOT part of our play selection. I imagine there are ways of getting a running game off of dead zero, even with a o-line that is geared for pass blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I didnt read it myselfĀ or see it.Ā I heard on a podcast that still this year Singeltary and Moss were still very high in the nfl at missed tackle rate.Ā I understand that is translatable from college to NFL.Ā Seems like a true thing.Ā Imo they are both a step slow from getting 20 but get 6 or 7.Ā Imo thats where the time matters.Ā Both similar guys in speed.Ā With defense predicated on nickel i feel sub 4.6 is a requirement as a major contributor at rb.Ā Unless your a massive human and can bully guys thats a differant element.Ā Even Henry and Dillon are sub 4.6Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Why? Just draft another RB in the mid rounds and one will be inactive on Sunday taking Yeldon's spot. Ā You are saving virtually nothing and the guy isn't some dude averaging 3 YPC. He still averaged 4.4 YPC this year.Ā Ā I wouldn't mind seeing Jaret Patterson in a Bills uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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