Draconator Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Draconator said: https://nfltraderumors.co/packers-moving-on-from-dc-mike-pettine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Not surprising...he’s basically the sacrificial lamb for the playoff upset. I thought he did a good job in Green Bay 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Not surprising...he’s basically the sacrificial lamb for the playoff upset. I thought he did a good job in Green Bay Yeah that defensive call at the end of the 1st half was awesome. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Geez. That Head Coach throwing his special teams coach and now defensive coordinator under the bus. Who’s gonna take the fall for the decision to kick the field goal which was probably the worst decision of them all on Sunday. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, eball said: Yeah that defensive call at the end of the 1st half was awesome. Oh sorry....I didn’t realize we were talking about 1 defensive series. Not his entire 3 years in Green Bay. My bad 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Geez. That Head Coach throwing his special teams coach and now defensive coordinator under the bus. Who’s gonna take the fall for the decision to kick the field goal which was probably the worst decision of them all on Sunday. That’s exactly what he’s doing, I think Pettine comes back if they make it to the Super Bowl. Though his defenses still get gashed on the ground 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Geez. That Head Coach throwing his special teams coach and now defensive coordinator under the bus. Who’s gonna take the fall for the decision to kick the field goal which was probably the worst decision of them all on Sunday. The Offensive Coordinator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Oh sorry....I didn’t realize we were talking about 1 defensive series. Not his entire 3 years in Green Bay. My bad That’s exactly what he’s doing, I think Pettine comes back if they make it to the Super Bowl. Though his defenses still get gashed on the ground So in one post you contradict yourself. Well done. Pettine has always been overrated. The great Rex Ryan coaching tree. And yes, one horrific call in a crucial situation in the NFC Championship is worth making a big deal over. That was an absolute killer; just as bad, and in an infinitely more important situation, as Greggo’s Cover 0 vs. the Raiders that got him fired. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. Exactly. When you look at the personnel, he didn't have all that much to work with. Finishing 9th overall says he did a good job. That would be kind of like firing Brian Daboll for one of his bad calls in the AFCC game. Or Leslie Frazier for one of his. Then again, I guess that's what some people are calling for .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. They picked off Brady 3 times, should have been 4 and held Tampa in check in the second half. Seems very reactionary to me. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. have to placate Rodgers need to keep focus on the defense to distract from the pick he threw to set up that end of half TD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, eball said: Yeah that defensive call at the end of the 1st half was awesome. It was a bad call. He’s done a good job there imo. His LB unit is one of the worst in the league, if not the worst. 36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. He got fired because they traded up for Jordan Love and didn’t draft one player that was of real use 😇 Edited January 29, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. isn’t it amazing how NFL teams make such fickle and short-sighted decisions? You can go 14-3, have a great year, and lose your last game because your offense stalls— and then you get axed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Similar to the Gregg Williams situation. It's a tough business. That one play probably DID decide that game, but still seems extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I watched that game, and the main problems the Packers had, were on offense. Brady gets picked 3 times, 2 of them iirc consecutively, and again, iirc, Tampa gets the football back each time on 3 and outs. Definitely the D was a problem, fcol. All of a sudden, the HC hire doesn't look so good, if he's throwing people under the bus to make up for his own mistakes. Hopefully, people who have a clue, will still view Pettine favourably, when he's looking for another job. I don't think he's a top notch DC, but he's actually a pretty decent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. Ok, so I am not a Pettine guy. And I think total yards on defense doesn’t nearly tell the whole story. I think the most predictive defensive statistics are points (obviously), yards per play, 3rd down defense, and red zone defense. Were they top 10 in those? I am leaning more and more towards the notion that you win championships in this league by building an absolute beast on offense and then having a “pretty good” bend-but-don’t-break defense that does well when it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Interestingly Packers fans seem delighted at this news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Im pretty sure he was ostracized when he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, spartacus said: have to placate Rodgers need to keep focus on the defense to distract from the pick he threw to set up that end of half TD The pick where the DB pulled the jersey off the Wideouts shoulder pad and wasn't called? Then you put it on Rodgers? Yeah ok 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Git r done! Sorry, pure thumbs muscle memory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 59 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Geez. That Head Coach throwing his special teams coach and now defensive coordinator under the bus. Who’s gonna take the fall for the decision to kick the field goal which was probably the worst decision of them all on Sunday. Might be the worst call I've seen in my life of watching football. I'm not being hyperbolic. That FG was wrong on so many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Success said: Similar to the Gregg Williams situation. It's a tough business. That one play probably DID decide that game, but still seems extreme. It's not similar. Gregg was presiding over one of the worst defense in the league. Not a top ten defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I remember when he was the DC for the Bills. I liked the guy, and was sad when he was hired by the Browns to be the HC... but all I can remember his his D couldnt STOP THE RUN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, somnus00 said: Might be the worst call I've seen in my life of watching football. I'm not being hyperbolic. That FG was wrong on so many levels. Rodgers said he didn’t run on 3rd down because he thought he would get 4th down but it sure looked like he could make it from most camera angles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 hours ago, eball said: So in one post you contradict yourself. Well done. Pettine has always been overrated. The great Rex Ryan coaching tree. And yes, one horrific call in a crucial situation in the NFC Championship is worth making a big deal over. That was an absolute killer; just as bad, and in an infinitely more important situation, as Greggo’s Cover 0 vs. the Raiders that got him fired. If you can’t comprehend evaluating three years of work versus 1 defensive series I don’t know what to tell you. You seem to be hell bent against Pettine. I don’t care one way or another, I just think that overall he did a good enough job and feel that these firings were done to deflect the heat that LaFleur himself faced. 5 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: isn’t it amazing how NFL teams make such fickle and short-sighted decisions? You can go 14-3, have a great year, and lose your last game because your offense stalls— and then you get axed. According to some that defense in one series was enough to get Pettine fired. Glad most of us take a more logical approach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, eball said: Ok, so I am not a Pettine guy. And I think total yards on defense doesn’t nearly tell the whole story. I think the most predictive defensive statistics are points (obviously), yards per play, 3rd down defense, and red zone defense. Were they top 10 in those? I am leaning more and more towards the notion that you win championships in this league by building an absolute beast on offense and then having a “pretty good” bend-but-don’t-break defense that does well when it counts. They were 13th in points this year and 9th last year. They were 22nd his first year coming off years of 21st and 26th in Dom Capers final two seasons. They were also 8th best in the redzone and 10th best on 3rd down in 2020. I am not a big Pettine guy either (I am a 4-3, cover 3 and win with your front 4 guy stylistically) but there is absolutely no doubt the Green Bay defense has been better under him, especially the last two years, than any point since they were competing for Superbowls a decade ago. It is a really harsh firing. Edited January 30, 2021 by GunnerBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Big picture, people! The Pack knows Glugg Williams is out there, and wants to get him into the organization ASAP. While his defense is using brass knuckles on the opposition, Gregg will be 'Iagoing' his way through the GB coaching hierarchy. *😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. I know Pettine’s defense finished 9th overall, 7th against the pass, and 13th (which is not bad) against the rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They finished 9th in total defense. Their best performance in 10 years. He didn't call a great game against Tampa but this does feel a little reactionary to me. Reactionary posts are the bread and butter for some on TBD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 hours ago, ColeB said: Rodgers said he didn’t run on 3rd down because he thought he would get 4th down but it sure looked like he could make it from most camera angles. Even if he didn’t score, he would have gotten to the 2 yard line. 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They were 13th in points this year and 9th last year. They were 22nd his first year coming off years of 21st and 26th in Dom Capers final two seasons. They were also 8th best in the redzone and 10th best on 3rd down in 2020. I am not a big Pettine guy either (I am a 4-3, cover 3 and win with your front 4 guy stylistically) but there is absolutely no doubt the Green Bay defense has been better under him, especially the last two years, than any point since they were competing for Superbowls a decade ago. It is a really harsh firing. I basically agree with you, but there is this too: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202001190sfo.htm. The Niners sliced and diced the GB defense in the previous NFC championship game, and GB had no answers. It might be a case of “I need a coordinator who can do better against elite teams in the biggest games, because we’ll be there next year too given our terrible division.” Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Big picture, people! The Pack knows Glugg Williams is out there, and wants to get him into the organization ASAP. While his defense is using brass knuckles on the opposition, Gregg will be 'Iagoing' his way through the GB coaching hierarchy. *😁 Ridge, when I think a Greggo defense, I think of this.. Sweet Dreams Witch! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I basically agree with you, but there is this too: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202001190sfo.htm. The Niners sliced and diced the GB defense in the previous NFC championship game, and GB had no answers. It might be a case of “I need a coordinator who can do better against elite teams in the biggest games, because we’ll be there next year too given our terrible division.” Just a thought. Sure, but as has been said in the second half of that game last week the Green Bay defense did its part and it was Rodgers, LaFleur and the offense that didn't bring it home. Feels a bit to me like when Rex's defense got destroyed by Fitz and his reaction was to fire Greg Roman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Should be some delicious schadenfreude for the segment of our fanbase that doesn't understand the game past fantasy football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Sure, but as has been said in the second half of that game last week the Green Bay defense did its part and it was Rodgers, LaFleur and the offense that didn't bring it home. Feels a bit to me like when Rex's defense got destroyed by Fitz and his reaction was to fire Greg Roman. The first half counts just as much as the second half! In the first half, TB had 226 yards, no three and outs, and 21 points all legitimately fueled by offense. Edited January 30, 2021 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 15 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Geez. That Head Coach throwing his special teams coach and now defensive coordinator under the bus. Who’s gonna take the fall for the decision to kick the field goal which was probably the worst decision of them all on Sunday. Obviously it was Pettines call I know our D can hold the Goat to a 3 and out...go ahead and kick it So with a new DC do the Packers regress and where is Icebowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://nfltraderumors.co/packers-moving-on-from-dc-mike-pettine/ “Petrine reportedly declined to sign an extension with the Packers last year, which is why his contract is expiring” Interesting. I wonder why he declined to sign a contract extension. Money? Or another reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Big picture, people! The Pack knows Glugg Williams is out there, and wants to get him into the organization ASAP. While his defense is using brass knuckles on the opposition, Gregg will be 'Iagoing' his way through the GB coaching hierarchy. *😁 I think they go right to the top and hire Poutines mentor and the king of the 3-4.....Wrex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 15 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Geez. That Head Coach throwing his special teams coach and now defensive coordinator under the bus. Who’s gonna take the fall for the decision to kick the field goal which was probably the worst decision of them all on Sunday. The QB already tossed the HC under the bus for that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: I think they go right to the top and hire Poutines mentor and the king of the 3-4.....Wrex Ah. The 'Ajayi Defense' guy. 3-4-3. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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