Mango Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Move Edmunds to OLB already. He has so much physical potential he would be a commanding trade bait if we so chose. Oliver needs a big stud DT to play by his side so he can utilize his speed better. He had his moments. I have been curious of Edmunds and playing outside. We play so many 2LB sets that moving Edmunds outside has him replacing Milano. But is Edmunds better than Milano at that role? But Edmunds and Milano are both so athletic. Could we play more 3 LB sets with a better MLB and use Milano as our big nickel rather than trying to get a safety out? The biggest problem with that now is that Klein is no nearly athletic enough, but he does play well downhill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Well not sure yet, but maybe Oliver would make more of an impact with a big DT beside him. Exactly. He's usually double teamed. Needs a space eater next to him to get 1 on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Oliver is completely invisible on the field Hughes also I never hear their names called 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Exactly. He's usually double teamed. Needs a space eater next to him to get 1 on 1 100% correct. Butler was supposed to be that guy, but even at 320 he is still more of a 3 tech. The Bills had to resort to using Oliver at 287 at 1 tech during portions of the season. I'll wait until after next year to make my mind up on Oliver, but Edmunds is case closed for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I honestly think Edmunds best position may be 3-4 Edge Rusher. IDK about a pure edge rusher. I see him as more naturally having that Manny Lawson and Anthony Barr skill set. To the OP.... I don’t think it’s time to give up on Oliver. He has talent, but he needs to get much better at hand fighting to start making splash plays. He just doesn’t have the size and length to win without improving that aspect of his game. That is one area of Donald’s skillset that is best in the league, and it’s often how he creates opportunities to use his leverage and strength. It would also help to have a dominant DT or DE next to him that forces offenses to choose who to double team. Right now I can’t say that we have a single Dline player that commands a double team or extra attention and that lets offenses run combination blocks at the point of attack without negative results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'd like to see the heavy DL rotation go away. You want to see if Oliver is good, play him the majority of the game. I don't know why McD insists on doing so much rotation, you have guys like Oliver Hughes playing at most 55% of the snaps just to get other guys playing time. I don't think any other team does this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: 100% correct. Butler was supposed to be that guy, but even at 320 he is still more of a 3 tech. The Bills had to resort to using Oliver at 287 at 1 tech during portions of the season. I'll wait until after next year to make my mind up on Oliver, but Edmunds is case closed for me. Really? I think he'd be an outstanding OLB but I totally understand why ppl feel this way. I was cursing him last night because of all the plays he was out of position on... But he's a Captain and it looks like Buf is all in on him. Do you think he just doesn't have it at this level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff Al O Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think Edmunds is the weakpoint of the defense, sorry to say. We've been extremely vulnerable to midrange attacks especially by teams with strong running games and TEs. Not that Edmunds can't turn the corner, but ILB is a position I hope we address in FA/draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, costrovs said: Edmunds was an OLB in college, but McD converted him to MLB. That hasn't really worked out very well. I (and probably McD and others) were hoping for a Luke Kuechly-esque MLB. I'm honestly not sure how he's made the pro bowl these past couple seasons. Oliver's to small for DT, I never liked the pick when it happened. He's playing exactly how I thought he would play, like crap. Yep, he's still stuck on that Luke Kuechly substitute idea. McD: you'll only have one Luke Kuechly in your career. They don't make many of 'em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Edmunds is so inconsistent. Either he's a sideline to sideline tackling machine or he gets fooled on every play and is nowhere to be found, like last night. Oliver is solid but not spectacular and certainly not a pressure up the middle game changer. These guys are still on rookie contracts, if they want it they can be much better. Let's see if they want to be the players we need them to be to get where we want to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, 947 said: I'd like to see the heavy DL rotation go away. You want to see if Oliver is good, play him the majority of the game. I don't know why McD insists on doing so much rotation, you have guys like Oliver Hughes playing at most 55% of the snaps just to get other guys playing time. I don't think any other team does this. I completely agree. I understand it in theory, keep the DL fresh = more pressure but they were invisible last night and if we want to get a ring, that can't happen in games like this. I do give them credit for their play in WC and Divisional games, as well as down the stretch of regular season but why not give your elite guys 75-80%? At the same time, how many elite guys do we even have on the DL, Hughes, Oliver? We need a big time pass rusher , he'd make the whole line better. Just look at what Clark and Jones did last night, even when they don't make the play, they're a big reason why the other guys did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, JerseyBills said: Really? I think he'd be an outstanding OLB but I totally understand why ppl feel this way. I was cursing him last night because of all the plays he was out of position on... But he's a Captain and it looks like Buf is all in on him. Do you think he just doesn't have it at this level? He may be fine at OLB, but I feel like the coaches have waited too long to find out. What I mean by that is this, if you move him this year to replace Milano and draft his replacement at ILB, then he falls on his face, you will be opening a hole on the roster you wouldnt have had if you just resigned Milano. For me you fix the problem you know you have now, without making future issues for yourself. I think he can play at this level yes, but I don't think its at middle linebacker, and I think Milano is the better linebacker. What I'd like the Bills to do is try and trade Edmunds before they have to make a decision on his 5th year option because I simply dont think they should pick it up. However, they seem pretty high on the kid so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Eastport bills said: Edmunds is so inconsistent. Either he's a sideline to sideline tackling machine or he gets fooled on every play and is nowhere to be found, like last night. Oliver is solid but not spectacular and certainly not a pressure up the middle game changer. These guys are still on rookie contracts, if they want it they can be much better. Let's see if they want to be the players we need them to be to get where we want to go. Edmunds is almost mind boggling to me. Hyde, Lorax , Kyle etc have all said he's special and I believe Hyde said he'll be in the hall of fame and meant it. His size n speed is rare but I'm seriously worried he's gonna be JAG . But , he was great vs Baltimore and a huge reason we were so dominant. Like you said, inconsistent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Oliver was ranked like 104 out of 110 DTs on PFF. Edmunds, great athlete, but I think we have commented that his instincts are questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He may be fine at OLB, but I feel like the coaches have waited too long to find out. What I mean by that is this, if you move him this year to replace Milano and draft his replacement at ILB, then he falls on his face, you will be opening a hole on the roster you wouldnt have had if you just resigned Milano. For me you fix the problem you know you have now, without making future issues for yourself. I think he can play at this level yes, but I don't think its at middle linebacker, and I think Milano is the better linebacker. What I'd like the Bills to do is try and trade Edmunds before they have to make a decision on his 5th year option because I simply dont think they should pick it up. However, they seem pretty high on the kid so. I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) To me the softcover 2 (whatever scheme tampa 2, cover 3 or nickle whatever) D making the D look worse. The front 4 has to get the job done. (pass rushers get to QB)Making everyone look foolish in this defense. Plus the off coverage from the CBS as well. The Bill's Defense built the wrong way this year and teams like Chiefs will make them pay. It's easy answer to look at. Agree with Edmunds but front 4 needs to get better tho. Hurting all the defense in a really bad way. Edited January 25, 2021 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Oliver plays a position where stats aren’t everything PFF or pro fantasy focus is just a joke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Edmunds is almost mind boggling to me. Hyde, Lorax , Kyle etc have all said he's special and I believe Hyde said he'll be in the hall of fame and meant it. His size n speed is rare but I'm seriously worried he's gonna be JAG . But , he was great vs Baltimore and a huge reason we were so dominant. Like you said, inconsistent. This is for sure true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Edmunds is almost mind boggling to me. Hyde, Lorax , Kyle etc have all said he's special and I believe Hyde said he'll be in the hall of fame and meant it. His size n speed is rare but I'm seriously worried he's gonna be JAG . But , he was great vs Baltimore and a huge reason we were so dominant. Like you said, inconsistent. Frustrating player, he could be a difference maker like that monster White on Tampa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Oliver is playing out of position. He’s fine. Edmunds......eh. Love the kid, but the passer rating when targeting him is over 130! Just think about that....... QB rating over 130 when targeting Edmunds..... I just don’t think he has the instincts to play the position 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: Oliver is playing out of position. He’s fine. Edmunds......eh. Love the kid, but the passer rating when targeting him is over 130! Just think about that....... QB rating over 130 when targeting Edmunds..... I just don’t think he has the instincts to play the position Right agree. I think the whole front 7 is playing outta position. The cover 2 nickle whatever only works if have good front 4 rushing the passer. Why some teams like Colts have some amazing games. The scheme and the players don't fit well. It's on them both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Oliver was ranked like 104 out of 110 DTs on PFF. Edmunds, great athlete, but I think we have commented that his instincts are questionable. Oliver weighs 287 and play the 1 tech, battling 2 300+ lb OL on almost every play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: Oliver weighs 287 and play the 1 tech, battling 2 300+ lb OL on almost every play. There were questions whether competition was a factor in his college dominance, and concerns over his lackluster Senior year. Those concerns seem justified at this level. And again, I'm not saying Beane stinks or anything, on this first rounder it's looking like a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Mahomes was just ruthless with Edmunds in the passing game. It looked like they were repeatedly targeting his zone in the first half. As others have said, I'd like to see Oliver next to a behemoth next year before making a call one way or another. Maybe he'll do better with more one v one. Edited January 25, 2021 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Edmunds needs a another year to see what he is, he was hurt over half the year, if not more. Oliver needs more help...he not going to be someone teams need to game plan for but he is a good football player.... we need a big strong run stopping DT..... and a real pass rusher someone teams need to account for. I think the pass rusher needs to come via trade.... almost zero chance we get one in the draft drafting as low as we will. as I see it Must have DT pass rusher RB another quality LB starting CB ———————————— needs center right guard right tackle ( depending on willams) TE speed wr. ( depending on brown) Edited January 25, 2021 by gordong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: There were questions whether competition was a factor in his college dominance, and concerns over his lackluster Senior year. Those concerns seem justified at this level. And again, I'm not saying Beane stinks or anything, on this first rounder it's looking like a miss. He played 1 tech he entire senior year!!! He’s played 1 tech this entire year!!! HE’S NOT A 1 TECH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Teams typically don't pick a guy @ #9 that will need significant help (Big 1T) to have an impact on the game. By that measure alone he's been a big disappointment. I'm certain they envisioned Oliver to play more like Kyle than not. While he is not a "bad" player this was a big miss @ #9. Edmunds is a mystery to me. You would think being that tall and having that wingspan he'd be tipping and touching alot more balls on the field. He also really struggles to get off blocks and seems to shoot the wrong gap more often than the right one. I also have a hard time understanding why he struggles in coverage soo much, he's fast, long, tall, they say he has good instincts and is smart, I don't get it. IDK, apparently Star was the lynchpin to Edmunds and Oliver improving / maintaining? It's safe to say both picks have not lived up to their billing at this time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, NewEra said: He played 1 tech he entire senior year!!! He’s played 1 tech this entire year!!! HE’S NOT A 1 TECH. Okay, then move him Coaching Staff and watch him take off I guess. Edited January 25, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Edmunds as a Base Mike, Nickel rusher/OLB like Zo would work wonders I feel. Ed needs to drop back to 280 and play LE, he’d be amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Move Edmunds to OLB already. He has so much physical potential he would be a commanding trade bait if we so chose. Oliver needs a big stud DT to play by his side so he can utilize his speed better. He had his moments. Both points are 100%. Neither player is worthy of a 1st round pick. I think Edmunds would make a serviceable OLB but Sean is dreaming if he thinks Tremaine will ever have the instincts neccessary for a MLB. Oliver needs Star badly. You could see that all year. And these FA d-lineman were busts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Okay, then move him Coaching Staff and watch him take off I guess. That’s the plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 They are both good. At their best they have an impact. But we haven't seen the consistency I expect from top half of the 1st round picks from either of them. I thought Ed made 3 or 4 really nice plays yesterday 1 individual tackle for loss, another he was in on with Addison and twice he got pressure and forced incompletions. But at the moment they are nice players not difference makers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Will be interesting to see how Oliver plays lining up next to Star Lotulelei again. I'm assuming Star gets vaccinated and returns this season. I think a lot of his issue was he was doing things he normally wasn't asked to do because, by and large, Vernon Butler, Harrison Phillips, and Quinton Jefferson provided nothing next to him. Edmunds.... eek. Next year will be his fourth season in the league. I don't think there's any improving his bad instincts after 3 seasons. Get him another solid Outside Backer and hope for the best next season. Because neither of these guys are going anywhere right now. Edited January 25, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 ok people saying Edmunds should be OLB but his cover skills, especially this last game was sketchy... I am done making excuses for these guys and people say he needs to be at de or better tech DT next to him.. his ceiling was supposed to be aaron darnald and thats not close! Edmunds and Oliver are fit players with other players already in place.. not the other way around. I also feel defense play-calling has been suspect at times in these playoffs. You have to put your front 7 in position to do good and IT felt like we were out of position all year long I think Edmunds would make a better 3-4 ILB then 4-3 and to be honest I think this Nickle 4-2-5 defense has sucked at times and we need to get out of it... Oliver makes 2 plays a game just enough to make you see him then disappears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said: Good post. Yesterday's loss had me thinking about this same question since between Edmunds, Oliver and Epenesa we have invested 3 very high picks. Edmunds isn't developing. Oliver isn't penetrating at a rate I'd expect. Epenesa, jury's still out - was surprised that he got the nod over Murphy yesterday. This--any word on why Murphy after arguably a great performance in corralling Lamar last week was sitting again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I so wanted Edmunds to be THAT guy......pretty obvious he isn't.....try him at OLB next year and if that is a bust let him walk...... Oliver I honestly believe if Star were here they would have been mean and nasty. Oliver will benefit from Star's returning. Or who knows? Maybe Star decides hnaging it up is a good thing? Maybe most if not all Vid holdouts say the same? It is a shame that the Bills kinda wasted his talent this season....that is obviously on Beane. In his defence there isn't a vending machine to raid tho and he did sign quite a few DL's...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Oliver is too small for the position he is playing. Edmunds, I think, could also use a position change to get something out of his "freakish" talent. Clearly, the Bills are not getting 1st round talent in return for the investment in these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Adamb412 said: edmunds is young the dude is still growing. I wasn't that much of a fan of Oliver when drafted at a DT. he is too small as a DT. I don't know why they don't try him at DE dude young has nothing to do with it when its your third year in the league. how many years of experience he need to get better? youth is a horrible excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Its crazy because with Edmunds I think we have a player that could match up with Travis Kelce. Seriously Edmunds is 6-5 and runs a 4.55 40. I know we want to play him as MLB but if he was playing linebacker that should be a good matchup. Need a great edge rusher as well. We talk about the Bills being young team BUT we are old at alot of key positions Also Mcdermott needs more tools in the bag. One think about Bill Belicheat he has the knowledge to play multiple front. I wish MCdermott had that same ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said: Oliver is completely invisible on the field That is my appellation for #91- "Invisible Ed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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