Logic Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/22/some-in-the-league-think-josh-allen-has-caught-patrick-mahomes/ Most would say that Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes currently is the best in the game. Some who know the game and who study it carefully are wondering whether Bills quarterback Josh Allen has caught up with Mahomes. Simms and I separately have been hearing talk along those lines based on Allen’s incredible improvement in 2020. And the point often made is this: There’s a difference when it comes to seeing Allen perform in person. Size, speed, mobility, accuracy. Incredible velocity when he throws. Uncanny ability to sprint one way and throw the other. 7 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Logic said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/22/some-in-the-league-think-josh-allen-has-caught-patrick-mahomes/ Most would say that Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes currently is the best in the game. Some who know the game and who study it carefully are wondering whether Bills quarterback Josh Allen has caught up with Mahomes. Simms and I separately have been hearing talk along those lines based on Allen’s incredible improvement in 2020. And the point often made is this: There’s a difference when it comes to seeing Allen perform in person. Size, speed, mobility, accuracy. Incredible velocity when he throws. Uncanny ability to sprint one way and throw the other. A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. 8 5 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. Get used to it 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Get used to it I am fine with it, and its a cool thought. I just dont think its reality yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. I hear what you're saying, but... Wins are not a QB stat. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Allen seems to have a limitless ceiling so it is not surprising. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Is this a hot take? Hasselbeck has been saying this for months 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Is this a hot take? Hasselbeck has been saying this for months Some people are just slow. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Mahomes completion percentage is less than Allen's so he has to work on his accuracy issues to catch Allen 4 1 25 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. Oh it's definitely a discussion but I don't disagree about Josh having another season like this being necessary to confirm it. The goal posts have certainly moved since 2018 when it comes to evaluating Allen. 2018 Draft/Rookie Season: He's going to be a bust. Should have took Lamar or Rosen 2019: Where are the 300 yard games? Too many turnovers but better sure. Still not enough points. 2020: Ok he very well may have caught Mahomes and he's going to finish 2nd in MVP voting but can he do this again?? Is this sustainable? Mahomes sits his whole rookie year 2017.....he has this kind of season in 2018 and we were crowning him then. Which is fine. Just like it's fine to say right now Allen might be just as good. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Is this a hot take? Hasselbeck has been saying this for months It may be a popular take among Bills fans, but not so much among the national media. There may be one or two out there, like Hasselbeck, but I would venture to guess that the vast majority of national media and NFL fans would find this to be a controversial or laughable take. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 The difference between the 2 is Travis Kelce. 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: The difference between the 2 is Travis Kelce. correct 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: The difference between the 2 is Travis Kelce. And, I would say, Andy Reid. I love Daboll. He's awesome. But Andy Reid has a long, consistent, unimpeachable history of excellence as an offensive mind in this league. Unlike Daboll, who has been really good for one or two seasons now, Reid's offenses have been changing with the times and have been good for over 20 years. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. I get that, not if, but when Allen gets a Super Bowl ring he will then be "caught up" with PM in that particular regard. To address the bold, speaking for myself, I am very, VERY confident this is not a one year wonder for Josh Allen. I mean all he needed from the get was some reliable weapons. Rookie year he had nothing to work with. Worst WR core in the NFL. 2nd year they managed to get him Beasley and Brown. Big help and big improvement. This year add Diggs to that WR core and you have got major toys to play with. As long as they keep good, reliable WR's on the roster, Allen will continue to break records and will win a Championship sooner or later. Edited January 22, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I think he has played every bit as well as Mahomes in 2020. To some he will need the Superbowl ring to "catch" him. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think he has played every bit as well as Mahomes in 2020. To some he will need the Superbowl ring to "catch" him. Beating Mahomes straight up on Sunday would go a long way too! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Josh just needs a signature win. 😏 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Logic said: And, I would say, Andy Reid. I love Daboll. He's awesome. But Andy Reid has a long, consistent, unimpeachable history of excellence as an offensive mind in this league. Unlike Daboll, who has been really good for one or two seasons now, Reid's offenses have been changing with the times and have been good for over 20 years. Correct, and that's obviously a big part of why he is such a good coach and has been successful everywhere he's been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I've said it a few times - I wouldn't do a straight-up player for player trade as of today. Love Mahomes' game, but I think Allen has the higher ceiling, and he's just better for Buffalo. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Honestly as much as I love Allen I think this Is absolutely ridiculous. Mahomes has played better football than anyone in the history of the game over a 3 year span. His first 3 as a starter. Pump the breaks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 At this point almost every team in the league would love to have either. If Allen is at the level where you are debating which one you want....then Josh has certainly worked his ass off to get there. He made it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. Well, "some in the league" disagree with you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Is this a hot take? Hasselbeck has been saying this for months Until we hear from Trent Dilfer on this topic, it hasn't happened yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. Rings are a team thing, not a QB thing. MVPs are a one-year thing. It's a discussion. Not there quite yet, IMO, but very close, and Allen is younger and has thrown 300 fewer passes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 When Josh wins the Super Bowl this year I'll agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Honestly as much as I love Allen I think this Is absolutely ridiculous. Mahomes has played better football than anyone in the history of the game over a 3 year span. His first 3 as a starter. Pump the breaks. They're not saying Josh's career has been as good as Mahomes'. Wouldn't make sense to say so. Over a three-year span, sure, Mahomes. But that's not what they're talking about. They're saying right now who's better? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Honestly as much as I love Allen I think this Is absolutely ridiculous. Mahomes has played better football than anyone in the history of the game over a 3 year span. His first 3 as a starter. Pump the breaks. I agree with this, however he has had pretty damn good weapons since he became the starter. I would argue that it's likely Josh Allen would have had a pretty good year, or at least a lot better if he would have had some WR's worth a crap. Some seem to forget Bills had the worst WR's in the league Allen's rookie year. Constant drops and just had nothing to work with. Now I'm not saying he would have had a great season like PM did, but that definitely had a huge impact. Only so much a man can do with no help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. It's not hyperbole, they are discussing what they have heard around the league. No one is saying that Josh has the QB cred that Mahomes does because he hasn't accomplished as much. What they are saying is that based off of his talent level and what he is beginning to achieve, when you couple that with his amazing physical talents which arguably are more pronounced than Mahomes, that some of their sources around the league are beginning to wonder if Josh could be the elite QB of the league over the next 10 years. That is a fair discussion and musings for people to have. 1 hour ago, Jpsredemption said: Honestly as much as I love Allen I think this Is absolutely ridiculous. Mahomes has played better football than anyone in the history of the game over a 3 year span. His first 3 as a starter. Pump the breaks. You guys are completely misunderstanding what they are saying. Edited January 22, 2021 by Magox 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Honestly as much as I love Allen I think this Is absolutely ridiculous. Mahomes has played better football than anyone in the history of the game over a 3 year span. His first 3 as a starter. Pump the breaks. I think if we win on Sunday, and Allen plays well, this debate has serious merit. Right now, I’d say Mahomes has done it year after year. There is consistency there. Id also say that he’s a year older than Josh, sat for a year and has had Kelce/Hill from the jump. Edited January 22, 2021 by SCBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Stephen A. Said it well today (love him or hate him, I tend to enjoy his takes). Basically if Allen goes out and does what is needed on Sunday, he almost erases Baker, Lamar, and Watson from the conversation with him and it becomes Mahomes and Allen. People may know Allen is there but it isn't acknowledged like the rest of them, he can change that Sunday. If he goes out and loses in an unflattering way, he will remain where he is in the conversation regardless of actual on field talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) How cool is it to even have this discussion? It reminds me of the Brady/Manning debate. Either way, you're set for 15 years. I'll just come out and say it: IF Allen plays at this level for a decade the Bills winning just 1 super Bowl would be a disappointment. If that sounds crazy, put it this way: If in 2031 Mahomes has just 1 ring that would be considered a disappointment. Edited January 22, 2021 by TheFunPolice 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think if we win on Sunday, and Allen plays well, this debate has serious merit. Right now, I’d say Mahomes has done it year after year. There is consistency there. Id also say that he’s a year older than Josh, sat for a year and has had Kelce/Hill from the jump. I can agree with all of this. Great points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Another issue that's worth saying is that Mahomes has had some pretty significant injuries in his young career. He takes big shots. Allen does too, but I think he's made massive strides in protecting himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of this stuff is hyperbole to try and fill time. To "catch" Mahomes, Josh is going to have to show this wasnt a one year wonder type of thing. He will also need a ring and an MVP, which is easier said than done. Beat the Chiefs this weekend and you can start to talk about it, but before then I dont think this should even be a discussion. But they’re saying some in the league, that’s the NFL, are saying it. So it’s happening. Like people are saying this in spite of what your personal opinion is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: How cool is it to even have this discussion? It reminds me of the Brady/Manning debate. Either way, you're set for 15 years. I'll just come out and say it: IF Allen plays at this level for a decade the Bills winning just 1 super Bowl would be a disappointment. If that sounds crazy, put it this way: If in 2031 Mahomes has just 1 ring that would be considered a disappointment. You are completely correct, how badly does Indy feel they had Manning all them years and have 1 ring to show for it. Very unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said: You are completely correct, how badly does Indy feel they had Manning all them years and have 1 ring to show for it. Very unfortunate. So many missed opportunities for those Colts teams. After a while that becomes the legacy. Same with Green Bay and Rogers. Yes, he has a ring, but it seems like a waste that he doesn't have more or at least more SB appearances. The Brady/Manning debate was huge in the early to mid 2000's. Brady's teams won more often than Manning's teams, so he's the GOAT and Manning is an all-time great. I still say if you put Manning on the Patriots they win every Super bowl Brady won. Lots of things go into it, of course. Brady had 1 coach that entire run and Manning had many, and aside from Dungy most were mediocre to poor. As Bills fans many of us have "just wanted one" for decades, but still, if you have a guy who is in the conversation for best QB in the league you are going to be in these spots a lot and then it becomes about rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) Chiefs fans watching PFT clip or numerous other clips anytime somebody DARES compare a QB to mahomes or cite any actual statistics where other qb's may have better numbers. Edited January 22, 2021 by Stank_Nasty 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: Chiefs fans watching the clip or numerous other clips anytime somebody DARES compare somebody to mahomes. I’m sure the wind won’t affect the trajectory of any ball he throws either once it recognizes who threw it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, stevewin said: Mahomes completion percentage is less than Allen's so he has to work on his accuracy issues to catch Allen This is my favorite thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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