Would Josh Allen ever consider a team friendly contract?

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

You and no one else on here knows anything about Josh on a personal level. He seems like a great guy. But money is money. 

Money is money

 

mega filthy rich is mega filthy rich 

 

Whatever contract he signs, he will be mega filthy rich and no one in his extended family will ever have to work again if he chooses. 

 

as of now, we have no clue what he’ll do

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Josh will demand 45M a year x 4 year or 180M deal.

 

If he holds out Fromm will be ready!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Josh will demand 45M a year x 4 year or 180M deal.

 

If he holds out Fromm Trubisky will be ready!

 

FIFY. 

 

In all seriousness, not a situation that is going to arise.  The Bills will pick up Josh's 5th year option.  The Bills will negotiate with his agents this summer, and as Beane said, if both sides aren't comfortable they will revisit.

 

PS hope your boy makes the fullest use of preseason this year, 'cuz be nice if he could be the backup in 2022

[Ya Digg?]

11 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Why would the NFLPA put pressure on a QB to sign to the max they can get? Don't they also represent the LB's, OL, CB, WR etc that would benefit from larger salaries from QB's taking more team friendly deals? Teams have to spend up to a certain percentage of the cap every year. The money will be spent at other positions ultimately benefiting other players.

Sorry but are you really comparing QB to linebackers?? You do thunder stand the difference? If a QB takes a huge discount, there’s no way that anyone else on that team is going to get paid what they are worth. The front office can just go to the next guy and say “Josh took a discount, so you should too.” I’ve stated this over and over, it’s not Josh’s job to make the salary cap work, that’s up to the front office. So let the front office earn their money, just like Josh had earned his

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Do you think he will play for candy?

 

That'd have to be Some Candy

 

Like this, only more so, plus this

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/18/2021 at 6:32 PM, BearNorth said:

Josh is repped by Creative Artists Agency, e.g. Hollywood folk.  They make their money from the deals they get for their clients.  They don't give two figs about salary cap and team chemistry.  He will get the top dollar for who ever gets paid that year.  Doubt Hollywood sharks will ever take a hometown discount.

 

His agent is Tom Condon.  Yes, he's with CAA SPORTS, the sports arm of CAA.  They're a regular sports agent group, not "Hollywood folk" or "Hollywood sharks".

 

And no, team chemistry isn't their thing, but they understand salary cap - they have to, to fairly represent NFL clients.

[MJS]

I have a hunch he will sign a team friendly deal. But who knows?

 

Maybe if Beane offers him a big signing bonus and a fully gauarenteed contract he would sign a lower per average deal.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

I have a hunch he will sign a team friendly deal. But who knows?

 

Maybe if Beane offers him a big signing bonus and a fully gauarenteed contract he would sign a lower per average deal.

I mean you can't really expect him to do it but from what we here about how competitive he is I think there is a decent chance he'll want his deal to allow Bean to put as many weapons/assets around him as he can.

[MAJBobby]

I would love for him to be the 1st player to tie his money to the Cap. 
 

10 years 25% of Cap with 20% guaranteed 

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I would love for him to be the 1st player to tie his money to the Cap. 
 

10 years 25% of Cap with 20% guaranteed 

This would probably not be the year we see a deal like that given that the cap just went down.

[BigDingus]

Now that Dak is getting $40 million a year, Josh's agent won't let him take less regardless of how much he likes the city.

[MAJBobby]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

This would probably not be the year we see a deal like that given that the cap just went down.

But it wouldn’t take effect until after his rookie deal meaning cap up. So 50M AAV when kicks in. 

[DCofNC]

What would be cool is if he took a first of its kind deal where he gets a portion of the salary cap.  I wrote out a possible scenario once, but something to the effect of a 10 year deal, he gets a 40M signing bonus, guaranteed money the first 3 years, he is locked to getting 16% of the salary cap for the team each year of the deal as his base pay, with incentives around, MVP, Playoff appearances, SB appearances, etc.

 

He gets PAID, 40M to start, plus 29.12M based on this years cap, and presumably a base around 32 for next year, 34 the year after, and guessing but 35ish after that, all guaranteed so that gives him over $160M guaranteed in the first 3 years, plus he’s got an escalating contract by default with the cap, so he will never be playing for way too little.  For the Bills, they get to know exactly what they can work with vs the cap, its always 4M (signing bonus be the cap), plus the percentage they agree to.  If the cap explodes, he gets a better and better deal where it could easily exceed Maholmes, if it stays around where it is, the team has a little more to work with to keep competitive. 
 

If for whatever reason, he flips after the deal, it’s an easy out for the Bills the longer the deal carries out.  Obviously, the numbers aren’t perfect, but something close to that could really work well for everyone.

 

[Nester]

$40m seems as team friendly as it’s going to get. 

[MJS]

17 minutes ago, Nester said:

$40m seems as team friendly as it’s going to get. 

But that's just a guess like all the other numbers people have thrown out.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

What would be cool is if he took a first of its kind deal where he gets a portion of the salary cap.  I wrote out a possible scenario once, but something to the effect of a 10 year deal, he gets a 40M signing bonus, guaranteed money the first 3 years, he is locked to getting 16% of the salary cap for the team each year of the deal as his base pay, with incentives around, MVP, Playoff appearances, SB appearances, etc.

 

He gets PAID, 40M to start, plus 29.12M based on this years cap, and presumably a base around 32 for next year, 34 the year after, and guessing but 35ish after that, all guaranteed so that gives him over $160M guaranteed in the first 3 years, plus he’s got an escalating contract by default with the cap, so he will never be playing for way too little.  For the Bills, they get to know exactly what they can work with vs the cap, its always 4M (signing bonus be the cap), plus the percentage they agree to.  If the cap explodes, he gets a better and better deal where it could easily exceed Maholmes, if it stays around where it is, the team has a little more to work with to keep competitive. 
 

If for whatever reason, he flips after the deal, it’s an easy out for the Bills the longer the deal carries out.  Obviously, the numbers aren’t perfect, but something close to that could really work well for everyone.

 

I wonder if the NFLPA or NFL have any restrictions on this kind of deal?

 

It seems like an intriguing option

[YoloinOhio]

Team friendly like the one mahomes signed? Yes. 

[sirebors]

22 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

1. Brady at age 43 doesn't dictate the salaries of young franchise QBs

 

The NFLPA has long held this position and prioritized max dollar deals without regard for it's affect on other players. 

I'm not talking about Brady at age 43.

 

Tom Brady average salary

2005-2010.   $10,700,000

2010-2014.    $18,000,000

2013-2017.     $13,667,000

2015-2017.     $9,000,000

2016-2019.    $20,500,000

2018-2019.    $15,000,000

2019.              $23,000,000

 

His salary actually went down dramatically for a number of years. And it was never close to being one of the top QB salaries in the league. For possibly the best quarterback in history who won Superbowl in the following years. 

2002, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2021

[sirebors]

On 3/26/2021 at 12:41 PM, JaCrispy said:

10yr/$350 million...fully guaranteed! 👍

I would take this in a heartbeat. As a fan. As Allen. And quite possibly as Beane if he's willing to roll the dice. 

[longtimebillsfan]

6 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Now that Dak is getting $40 million a year, Josh's agent won't let him take less regardless of how much he likes the city.

IMHO that doesn't sound like Josh.  He is a team first guy.  He will take care if himself with an eye on helping the team.  He saw the results of Brady helping the Pat's with his salary.

[Jerome007]

I wonder why didn't other teams imitate the Cheatriots "hiring" TB12 for "consulting". Or maybe guarantee Josh ad revenue. Can't the Pegulas pay him millions as a spokesperson for some of their non-NFL businesses?

 

Salary cap obviously will always be an issue, as otherwise we want Josh to be paid more than Mahomes! But who wants a star QB with no team around him?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Sorry but are you really comparing QB to linebackers?? You do thunder stand the difference? If a QB takes a huge discount, there’s no way that anyone else on that team is going to get paid what they are worth. The front office can just go to the next guy and say “Josh took a discount, so you should too.” I’ve stated this over and over, it’s not Josh’s job to make the salary cap work, that’s up to the front office. So let the front office earn their money, just like Josh had earned his

 

They have to spend to a certain percentage of the cap. Ultimate goal of a GM is to build a winning team. That means fielding the best 53 man roster which requires spending as much money as possible every year. 

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, sirebors said:

I would take this in a heartbeat. As a fan. As Allen. And quite possibly as Beane if he's willing to roll the dice. 

Yup...I think it’s fair for both sides...both sides benefit and take risk...

 

Josh takes a risk because it is slightly under annual market value...but he benefits by getting $350 million fully guaranteed 

 

The Bills risk and benefit the same way, just in reverse....

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, sirebors said:

I'm not talking about Brady at age 43.

 

Tom Brady average salary

2005-2010.   $10,700,000

2010-2014.    $18,000,000

2013-2017.     $13,667,000

2015-2017.     $9,000,000

2016-2019.    $20,500,000

2018-2019.    $15,000,000

2019.              $23,000,000

 

His salary actually went down dramatically for a number of years. And it was never close to being one of the top QB salaries in the league. For possibly the best quarterback in history who won Superbowl in the following years. 

2002, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2021

 

I see you decided to ignore that your Jordan example was horrendously, wrong.

 

You give dollar values and not position. How are the years that he won the superbowl relevant? Do you think listing out those years makes it look more impressive? You also seem to ignore that because 1 guy in NFL History may have done it that it's a given that some other player will do it.

 

Why are you trying so hard to look so silly?

Edited March 27, 2021 by jeremy2020

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 1/18/2021 at 6:58 PM, wppete said:

$40 million a year 5 years that’s my guess.

 

Was listening to NFL radio the other day and they tended to agree with you, though think the Bills will offer 5 years at $40 mil, but Allan will only want 4 years.

[sirebors]

12 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I see you decided to ignore that your Jordan example was horrendously, wrong.

 

You give dollar values and not position. How are the years that he won the superbowl relevant? Do you think listing out those years makes it look more impressive? You also seem to ignore that because 1 guy in NFL History may have done it that it's a given that some other player will do it.

 

Why are you trying so hard to look so silly?

 

On 3/26/2021 at 10:31 AM, sirebors said:

Would Michael Jordan rather win or have a bigger contract? Jordan's primary driving force in life is winning. 

My Jordan example is wrong how? Everyone on planet earth knows that winning is the most important thing in life to Michael Jordan. Everyone that is, except you. Did I say Michael Jordan took a small contract? Did I say Michael Jordan took less money then he was worth? Did I say Michael Jordan took a team friendly contract? I didn't say anything at all about what Michael Jordan took. I asked a simple question. What is more important to Michael Jordan, winning or a bigger contract? Maybe you should try and work on your reading comprehension and stop trying so hard to look silly. Because you're doing a great job of it. 

 

And I give dollar values but not position? What are you talking about? It's a post about Tom Brad's salary. In case you didn't know, his position is quarterback! And yes talking about Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time, taking less money at the position quarterback is entirely relevant since Josh Allen plays the same position. Brady likes to win. Josh Allen wants to win. Brady took less money not because he doesn't like money or he has enough. He took less money because he wants to break every record that ever stood and yes, he wants to win above all else. 

 

And when did I ever say it was a "given" Josh Allen would do this? The entire post is a hypothetical question. The entire post is everyone offering opinions on what he may do. Show me where I said anywhere in this entire post that it's a given Josh Allen does this. The only person that said Josh would take a team friendly deal was Brandon Beane.  "Josh is a competitor. He's not wired for us just to pay him, then not be able to put stuff around him." The Buffalo Bills GM said this! Did he make it up? Did he say it out of the clear blue? Or did he say it with insider information on his side? Do you really think he would make that statement without already hearing that from Josh Allen's own mouth? Do you know more than the Buffalo Bills GM? You just keep making yourself look silly. 

[machine gun kelly]

The nicest thing Allen could do is allow his agent to do a long term deal like Mahomes.  Almost all QB’s want a contract no longer than five years, but preferred four years.  The simple reason is they know the market will go up, the cap will go up, and they will make even more $ in the next contract.  The team takes some risk regarding injury, but given how well QB’s are protected, Allen’s nicest gift is a longer contract.  
 

He’s not taking a paycut.  Would you?  I’m in sales and management so I give myself a raise by selling more stuff.  His play is his bonus as correlative.  People ask this question or make these statements all the time on sports radio shows, and the answer regardless of the hosts is a big fat no.

[BearNorth]

18 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

IMHO that doesn't sound like Josh.  He is a team first guy.  He will take care if himself with an eye on helping the team.  He saw the results of Brady helping the Pat's with his salary.

Brady was the only player in the league whose wife made more money than he did.  He didn't have to maximize his contract.

[Commish]

$35 million, $40 million, $45 million - either way you slice it, it's more money than most people would know what to do with. A lot of the one upsmanship that goes on with contracts with professional athletes strikes me as being rooted in large part in insecurity on the part of the player. Josh Allen does not strike me as insecure in any way - and he loves to win. Hometown discount? Depends how you define it - I could see Allen striking a team-friendly deal.

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, sirebors said:

 

My Jordan example is wrong how? Everyone on planet earth knows that winning is the most important thing in life to Michael Jordan. Everyone that is, except you. Did I say Michael Jordan took a small contract? Did I say Michael Jordan took less money then he was worth? Did I say Michael Jordan took a team friendly contract? I didn't say anything at all about what Michael Jordan took. I asked a simple question. What is more important to Michael Jordan, winning or a bigger contract? Maybe you should try and work on your reading comprehension and stop trying so hard to look silly. Because you're doing a great job of it. 

 

And I give dollar values but not position? What are you talking about? It's a post about Tom Brad's salary. In case you didn't know, his position is quarterback! And yes talking about Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time, taking less money at the position quarterback is entirely relevant since Josh Allen plays the same position. Brady likes to win. Josh Allen wants to win. Brady took less money not because he doesn't like money or he has enough. He took less money because he wants to break every record that ever stood and yes, he wants to win above all else. 

 

And when did I ever say it was a "given" Josh Allen would do this? The entire post is a hypothetical question. The entire post is everyone offering opinions on what he may do. Show me where I said anywhere in this entire post that it's a given Josh Allen does this. The only person that said Josh would take a team friendly deal was Brandon Beane.  "Josh is a competitor. He's not wired for us just to pay him, then not be able to put stuff around him." The Buffalo Bills GM said this! Did he make it up? Did he say it out of the clear blue? Or did he say it with insider information on his side? Do you really think he would make that statement without already hearing that from Josh Allen's own mouth? Do you know more than the Buffalo Bills GM? You just keep making yourself look silly. 

Elite basketball players are in a totally different financial reality than even the best NFL QBs.  Jordan made less than $100M playing basketball even though he had years with the highest salary in the NBA.  It was so high that the record wasn’t broken for 15 years after.  

 

But he’s worth approximately $1.6B now.  He didn’t get the vast majority of that from NBA contracts, he got it - billions of dollars of it - from Nike, Gatorade and other companies.  So if you are Jordan or Lebron or the like it actually pays more to win and be thought of as a great than it does to make money directly from your NBA team.  Rules in the NBA top out salaries now so it’s a pretty moot point, but I’d argue that Lebron would do better for himself financially if he played a few seasons for free and won a couple more championships than if he maxed his salary out on a garbage team.

 

Even the best QBs don’t have that kind of advertising power.  Sure, a lot of them make some money doing it, but what football player is making 20 times his NFL earnings from advertising?

[BarleyNY]

People here should also understand what is usually meant by a “team friendly deal”.  That typically means that a deal has:

- relatively little guaranteed money

- low early cap hits 

- exit clauses (aka non guaranteed roster bonuses)

- below market value compensation

- difficult to achieve performance clauses

 

Not only do I think that Allen will get a close to market value contract, IMO it’d be wrong to ask him to take a lot less.  If he’s your guy, then he’s your guy.  Treat him like he is.  That doesn’t mean that you can’t negotiate contract length, dollars and guarantees.  That’s expected.  But you can’t expect him to take a lot less than he deserves.

[Malazan]

8 hours ago, sirebors said:

And I give dollar values but not position? What are you talking about? It's a post about Tom Brad's salary.

 

When did Jordan ever sacrifice money for 'winning' like you claim? He held the record for the most money for 15 years which is unheard of.. Jordan may have liked winning a great deal, but your claim he sacrificed money for it is not accurate. 

 

The ranking position of Brady's salary. Was he the 10th highest paid QB in each of those years? 5th? How did you not get that?

[longtimebillsfan]

12 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Brady was the only player in the league whose wife made more money than he did.  He didn't have to maximize his contract.

That is one way to interpret the situation.  I stand by my take.  I am not saying the total compensation won't be near market value.  I am saying the Josh contract will be structured to be team friendly.  He wants to win and have a talented team around him.

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

When did Jordan ever sacrifice money for 'winning' like you claim? He held the record for the most money for 15 years which is unheard of.. Jordan may have liked winning a great deal, but your claim he sacrificed money for it is not accurate. 

 

The ranking position of Brady's salary. Was he the 10th highest paid QB in each of those years? 5th? How did you not get that?

Comparing the NBA salary cap to the NFL is not correct here. In 1998 Jordan as an individual($33 million) made more than the team cap($27), in the NBA teams have always been able to do things to keep players that the NFL would never allow. So the only proper comparison is other NFL players.

[sirebors]

9 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

When did Jordan ever sacrifice money for 'winning' like you claim? He held the record for the most money for 15 years which is unheard of.. Jordan may have liked winning a great deal, but your claim he sacrificed money for it is not accurate. 

 

The ranking position of Brady's salary. Was he the 10th highest paid QB in each of those years? 5th? How did you not get that?

 

When did I EVER say Michael Jordan sacrificed money for winning? This is the entire extent of my Michael Jordan conversation. But you're obsessed with it. 2 sentences asking hypothetically what was most important to Jordan? That winning has always been his biggest driving force in life. Where did I say he EVER sacrificed ANYTHING!!!??? Where did I EVER say he didn't get paid? Or that he took less money than he wanted or deserved? When did I EVER say anything even remotely close to that? I asked what's most important to Michael Jordan. It was a QUESTION. But somehow you infer from a QUESTION that I somehow said Michael Jordan sacrificed money for winning. Like I said, work on your reading comprehension. 

 

On 3/26/2021 at 10:31 AM, sirebors said:

When does winning take precedent for some players over an extra couple million? Would Michael Jordan rather win or have a bigger contract? Jordan's primary driving force in life is winning. 

 

And now for the helpless and obtuse I'll post rankings so maybe you'll have a clue. 

 

TOM BRADY QB PAY RANK/year

 

2012.    17th

2013.     5th

2014.    12th

2015.     14th

2016.     18th

2017.      20th

2018.     11th

2019.     11th

 

Is that good enough? Or do you need even more? 

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, sirebors said:

 

When did I EVER say Michael Jordan sacrificed money for winning? This is the entire extent of my Michael Jordan conversation. But you're obsessed with it. 2 sentences asking hypothetically what was most important to Jordan? That winning has always been his biggest driving force in life. Where did I say he EVER sacrificed ANYTHING!!!??? Where did I EVER say he didn't get paid? Or that he took less money than he wanted or deserved? When did I EVER say anything even remotely close to that? I asked what's most important to Michael Jordan. It was a QUESTION. But somehow you infer from a QUESTION that I somehow said Michael Jordan sacrificed money for winning. Like I said, work on your reading comprehension. 

 

 

And now for the helpless and obtuse I'll post rankings so maybe you'll have a clue. 

 

TOM BRADY QB PAY RANK/year

 

2012.    17th

2013.     5th

2014.    12th

2015.     14th

2016.     18th

2017.      20th

2018.     11th

2019.     11th

 

Is that good enough? Or do you need even more? 

 

I like how Winning was the most important thing statement from you for Jordan is now "Winning was just as important as money". How the hell do you know that Jordan would have conceptually sacrificed money for winning.. when he didn't do that?

 

--

 

As for Brady, now we have the exception that proves the rule...

 

We won't even get into the investment into outside business from kraft. 

 

 

[Mountain Man]

On 1/18/2021 at 11:58 PM, wppete said:

$40 million a year 5 years that’s my guess.

40.5 just so it'd be seen as more than Dak. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

There is a common misconception that's been debunked many times over, Tom Brady never took a pay cut, they extended his contract to where he got guaranteed money which lowered his salary cap total so the Pats could sign more players, he never took a pay cut but he may have signed with the Patriots for a few million less than other teams would pay. Not sure because he always signed back with the Patriots before his contract was up accept for this past year of course.

[KGun12TD]

If he wins a Super bowl, I'll donate to his salary.

[hjnick]

2 hours ago, KGun12TD said:

If he wins a Super bowl, I'll donate to his salary.

A Josh Allen gofundme salary reduction! 

 

I like it!