BeastMode54 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 With AJ really playing well the last 3-4 games, could our lineup be Milano-Tremeaine-AJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I can see this. Could possibly improve both the run defense and the pass rush without compromising the pass defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) The original plan was the three would be starting LB's and likely Klein would come out on passing plays. Kleins play of late may have changed that where you leave him in as an extra standing lineman to blitz from different spots. That may in some cases be better than an extra DB on he field Edited November 30, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I could see it only if Klein becomes more of the MLB, Edmunds OLB, with Milano an OLB/S hybrid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Klein is sorta morphing into that Lorax role, in my opinion, including being put on ice skates occasionally by a RB in space which you can live with for all the TFL and contain. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, JaCrispy said: I could see it only if Klein becomes more of the MLB, Edmunds OLB, with Milano an OLB/S hybrid Worry about getting Milano healthy first. Then where snaps are going. Klein is bringing some juice on the blitzes, and holding his own in coverage. 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: I could see it only if Klein becomes more of the MLB, Edmunds OLB, with Milano an OLB/S hybrid Not sure Klein has the range for Mike. Hes playing more on the LOS to fit a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, dneveu said: Worry about getting Milano healthy first. Then where snaps are going. Klein is bringing some juice on the blitzes, and holding his own in coverage. Not sure Klein has the range for Mike. Hes playing more on the LOS to fit a bit better. Probably right about Klein at ML. Klein’s 40 time at the combine: 4.66. Edmunds; 4.52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Edmunds lined up at OLB several times today. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I like Klein as a blitzer. It worries me when he is expected to cover or beat runners to the boundary. He is just so dang slow and doesn't take the best angles. I'm excited to have Milano back for coverage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Klein takes the Zo Alexander role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I have an idea. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Best passing down front might be Oliver Hughes Addison Klein Edmunds and milano. That’s a pretty fun nascar package. I trust all of them to rush. Edited November 30, 2020 by YattaOkasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Klein is a strictly a Sam and Milano a Will. In passing downs Klein is a liability and on running downs Milano obviously is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Maybe they can hold hands and skip out of the tunnel to this song 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Klein is a strictly a Sam and Milano a Will. In passing downs Klein is a liability and on running downs Milano obviously is. A healthy Milano is a liability never. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) I have the solution... Milano at Big Nickel. Taron Johnson has been the weakest link in our back-7 all year. Milano playing there gets him & Klein on the field at the same time, this would make us a legit tough Defense again. If we want to win in the playoffs, this is what we need. Edited November 30, 2020 by 947 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: A healthy Milano is a liability never. He's not getting hurt going to the refrigerator late at night. Nor in passing downs when in coverage. 225 LBs don't hold up well in the NFL for very long. He's a good player in some respects, but missing 10 games in 3 years isn't typically something players avoid into mid-career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Shanahan will run at you and he’ll pick you apart with shifty players getting into space, within 15 yards, and he the TE involved. Be an interesting balance between the Sam and Nickel. My gut says they’ll play majority Sam as you stop the run against the Niners you stop their primary weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: A healthy Milano is a liability never. no he gets run over, great cover LB and sideline to sideline But watch teams run right at him when he is on the field. AJK is actually better blitzer it seems. Also Tremaine was very good, maybe best we’ve seen all season. Edited November 30, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 hours ago, MJS said: I like Klein as a blitzer. It worries me when he is expected to cover or beat runners to the boundary. He is just so dang slow and doesn't take the best angles. I'm excited to have Milano back for coverage. That early 3rd and 10 to eckler doesn’t happen if it’s Milano out there IMO. That said it’s hard to complain with Klein’s play for the last month. He’s a backup after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 For the rest of the year.. Sure.. But I am completely mortified if we decide to hand out a second contract to Milano unless it’s a cheap 1 year prove it deal.. Some folks say that he’ll get $12M-$14M a year, I don’t think you do that.. I don’t like the idea of paying our LBs that much.. It’s not an important enough position to spend that much money on.. And our LBs have been underperforming.. I like the idea of us switching the MLB roles between Klein and Edmunds.. In running situations Klein plays Mike.. In passing situations and when we’re in the nickel defense Edmunds plays Mike.. Switch it up.. if opposing offenses can’t determine our Mike, it can be really confusing for them.. Ideally I’d like to see us pick up Edmunds 5th year option and we draft another solid LB somewhere in the draft... I think we are getting good value for Klein.. I’ll take that contract all day for who he is and what we’re getting.. $10M for Edmunds in 2022 is also a good gamble for us.. Not crazy money for a LB with his skill set.. Just draft another good player and our cap situation is in pretty good shape.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Edmunds lined up at OLB several times today. And played great again. I think it has everything to do with his shoulder healing. And that also has helped the whole defense tremendously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Mojo44 said: Probably right about Klein at ML. Klein’s 40 time at the combine: 4.66. Edmunds; 4.52. At a 4.66 he is faster than Singletary. haha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, appoo said: Shanahan will run at you and he’ll pick you apart with shifty players getting into space, within 15 yards, and he the TE involved. Be an interesting balance between the Sam and Nickel. My gut says they’ll play majority Sam as you stop the run against the Niners you stop their primary weapon Yep. They rushed 33 times for 115 against the Rams. With Mostert back and getting his legs under him, I expect a heavy dose next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: For the rest of the year.. Sure.. But I am completely mortified if we decide to hand out a second contract to Milano unless it’s a cheap 1 year prove it deal.. Some folks say that he’ll get $12M-$14M a year, I don’t think you do that.. I don’t like the idea of paying our LBs that much.. It’s not an important enough position to spend that much money on.. And our LBs have been underperforming.. I like the idea of us switching the MLB roles between Klein and Edmunds.. In running situations Klein plays Mike.. In passing situations and when we’re in the nickel defense Edmunds plays Mike.. Switch it up.. if opposing offenses can’t determine our Mike, it can be really confusing for them.. Ideally I’d like to see us pick up Edmunds 5th year option and we draft another solid LB somewhere in the draft... I think we are getting good value for Klein.. I’ll take that contract all day for who he is and what we’re getting.. $10M for Edmunds in 2022 is also a good gamble for us.. Not crazy money for a LB with his skill set.. Just draft another good player and our cap situation is in pretty good shape.. I don't believe Milano will get that kind of contract now. This is pretty much a lost season for him. He may come back and out on a show in the playoffs. That's what it would take for him to get a big contract, I think. Otherwise he'll have to settle for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't believe Milano will get that kind of contract now. This is pretty much a lost season for him. He may come back and out on a show in the playoffs. That's what it would take for him to get a big contract, I think. Otherwise he'll have to settle for less. I mean, if he signed a 1 yr $6M deal I’d take him back.. that’s about the going rate for a solid starting LB.. Even then I may take a LB in RD2.. I think when we do add a LB, which I don’t think is a question at this point.. I hope we add someone who can play all three LB spots.. Edmunds and Klein to a lesser degree all have positional flexibility.. If all three of your starting LBs can play all three spots, it causes havoc on offenses when trying to determine the Mike.. Who is blitzing? Who is dropping back? Where is the pressure coming from? All these things factor into tormenting QBs, disguising packages and stopping the run.. We need someone who can play all three spots and then our defense can start to get really creative.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I mean, if he signed a 1 yr $6M deal I’d take him back.. that’s about the going rate for a solid starting LB.. Even then I may take a LB in RD2.. I think when we do add a LB, which I don’t think is a question at this point.. I hope we add someone who can play all three LB spots.. Edmunds and Klein to a lesser degree all have positional flexibility.. If all three of your starting LBs can play all three spots, it causes havoc on offenses when trying to determine the Mike.. Who is blitzing? Who is dropping back? Where is the pressure coming from? All these things factor into tormenting QBs, disguising packages and stopping the run.. We need someone who can play all three spots and then our defense can start to get really creative.. And where are you pulling those numbers from? I expect him to be up around the 9 or 10 million range. That's more the average these days. Milano is much better than you seem to realize. His only issue has been injury, but that may be enough to not bring him back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 14 hours ago, BeastMode54 said: With AJ really playing well the last 3-4 games, could our lineup be Milano-Tremeaine-AJ We only play with two LBs on the field 95% of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, MJS said: And where are you pulling those numbers from? I expect him to be up around the 9 or 10 million range. That's more the average these days. Milano is much better than you seem to realize. His only issue has been injury, but that may be enough to not bring him back. 9 or 10 million is a lot of money for a guy who can’t stay healthy.. I think you only have room for one contract like that at LB.. I think you put that money towards Edmunds at this point.. Edmunds is a better option at OLB than Milano.. For the reasons mentioned in the post you quoted.. More durability, more size, more speed, better blitzer, can play all three LB spots instead of one etc.. I see Edmunds getting about $8M-$9M/yr when he’s extended.. I don’t think you sign both Edmunds and Milano.. Too much money wrapped up in the position to justify signing them both.. Not enough production either.. Our run defense has been average at best.. Milano’s injury history factors into it I’m sure.. but he has never been a big run stuffer anyways.. I think you add a versatile LB in the 2nd or 3rd.. A jack of all trades LB who can both cover and stuff the run.. Good luck identifying the Mike.. or figuring out where the blitz is coming from or who is dropping back in coverage.. Could be a lot violent and aggressive on D.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: 9 or 10 million is a lot of money for a guy who can’t stay healthy.. I think you only have room for one contract like that at LB.. I think you put that money towards Edmunds at this point.. Edmunds is a better option at OLB than Milano.. For the reasons mentioned in the post you quoted.. More durability, more size, more speed, better blitzer, can play all three LB spots instead of one etc.. I see Edmunds getting about $8M-$9M/yr when he’s extended.. I don’t think you sign both Edmunds and Milano.. Too much money wrapped up in the position to justify signing them both.. Not enough production either.. Our run defense has been average at best.. Milano’s injury history factors into it I’m sure.. but he has never been a big run stuffer anyways.. I think you add a versatile LB in the 2nd or 3rd.. A jack of all trades LB who can both cover and stuff the run.. Good luck identifying the Mike.. or figuring out where the blitz is coming from or who is dropping back in coverage.. Could be a lot violent and aggressive on D.. But it's not a lot of money. That's my point. There are like 25 linebackers in the NFL that make 10 million or more in the NFL. Some of those are edge rushers. But that's the going rate for starting linebackers these days. Edmunds is going to make 15 plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Give Milano a 3 year, $27-29 million contract. Don't go crazy, but also lock him up for a few seasons. If it comes down to $$, there are places to make up some savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: We only play with two LBs on the field 95% of the time. Replace Taron Johnson with Milano in our base defensive set, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I think you're all nuts and suffering from recency bias. Milano is our best LB by far when healthy and is not a "liability" in run coverage. AJ Klein is painfully slow and should only be used in emergency situations. He is a good blitzer though. Which is nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I think you're all nuts and suffering from recency bias. Milano is our best LB by far when healthy and is not a "liability" in run coverage. AJ Klein is painfully slow and should only be used in emergency situations. He is a good blitzer though. Which is nice. He's been playing better is the point. He had 14 tackles, 1.5 sacks and 3 tackles for loss yesterday. I like Milano better in coverage but feel like Klein has been a good run stuffer/blitzer in his place. Edited November 30, 2020 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: We only play with two LBs on the field 95% of the time. You are exactly right. when Milano was healthy, Klein rarely saw the field. Now that he has played well and if they are facing a run heavy team, McD and Frazier may play some more base 4-3 defense. Even if they do, I can't imagine it would be more than 5-8 more plays a game in a 4-3. What we might see is Klein out there against more two TE sets, run down and distance situations, and Milano in on 3rd and long and four and five wide sets. Will be interesting to see. Then again if Milano really tore his pectoral muscle he won't be 100% until after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, MJS said: But it's not a lot of money. That's my point. There are like 25 linebackers in the NFL that make 10 million or more in the NFL. Some of those are edge rushers. But that's the going rate for starting linebackers these days. Edmunds is going to make 15 plus. $15M is pushing it.. Even in a completely over exaggerated market Edmunds would get $12M at the most.. Edmunds is the Jadeveon Clowney of linebackers.. Think we can extend him at $10M/yr fairly easily.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I wonder if Milano doesn’t eventually take snaps from Taron Johnson/Marlowe/Neal as the big nickel and then let Edmunds and Klein be the other two LB’s. Then in the draft I’d look at Zaven Collins, LB from Tulsa, 6’5” 250 could be a perfect fit for the role that Lorenzo Alexander had here the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Before this year, he’s missed 3 games in 3 previous seasons, 2 in 2018 and 1 in 2019. I know he’s had some nagging things that he’s played through as well, but he’s played through them, which is a testament to his toughness IMO. If he gets on the market I bet he’ll get $12M/yr from a team that has a lot of cap space (even with the reduced cap there will be a few of those). I believe the best thing would be a 3yr deal, with much of it incentive based (probably based on games played), with a cap hit of around $7M in 2021, then up to about $12M the last two seasons and also be something that can be gotten out of relatively easily (see John Brown contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 16 hours ago, BillsVet said: Klein is a strictly a Sam and Milano a Will. In passing downs Klein is a liability and on running downs Milano obviously is. Klein said in the press conference if I remember right that he's always primarily been a MIKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 4:50 PM, BeastMode54 said: Klein said in the press conference if I remember right that he's always primarily been a MIKE Klein and MLB and Milano at WLB....trade Edmunds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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