Miami is not winning the division

[Fan in Chicago]

10 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

Going to be fun bumping this thread at the end of the season and glad folks are brave enough to go on record saying this.

 

 

Please do. That will also be a good time to evaluate your username. 

[RaoulDuke79]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Flores benching Fitz for Tua is a questionable call at this point in the season. He also benefitted from a great trade by his GM with Houston. I give McDermott the nod but Flores has been better than I thought. Yet does Chan stay if Fitz leaves? If so who comes to coach up Tua?

No doubt. I think they bent Houston over the barrel with that trade. I like McDermott, but for whatever reason I was more high on him when we were rebuilding, than I am now when we're leading the division. Maybe its my own quirks.

[Don Otreply]

29 minutes ago, Groin said:

It's totally doable, but the Fins should not be taken lightly, well, unless Tua is absolutely horrible and Fitz does his best pick machine thing if/when he replaces Tua.

 

Of course, as learned today, the Pats can't be taken lightly either, but are more beatable than where I perceive the Fins to be at the moment.

Oh, none of this will be easy, we have seen the teams MO, 😁

 

Go Bills!!!

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

No doubt. I think they bent Houston over the barrel with that trade. I like McDermott, but for whatever reason I was more high on him when we were rebuilding, than I am now when we're leading the division. Maybe its my own quirks.

I think McDermott's early success caused us to over rate him a tad. That said he's still a good HC. I mean if you told me 4 years ago we'd be a playoff caliber in 3 of 4 McDermott's first four seasons I'd call you crazy.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Miami is looking pretty impressive. I will say that. I think we need to tighten things up to win the division, but its definitely ours to lose. 

 

On a side note. Would you swap McDermott for Flores for HC? I'm on the fence. Ive been impressed with Flores.

In a heartbeat. McD imo has reached his peak and wont take us to the promise land. His Defense is putrid with what appears to he no intervention and Dabolls offensive play calling continues to be awful, which McD allows week in and week out.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Miami is looking pretty impressive. I will say that. I think we need to tighten things up to win the division, but its definitely ours to lose. 

 

On a side note. Would you swap McDermott for Flores for HC? I'm on the fence. Ive been impressed with Flores.

I agree. Flores has been impressive.

[njbuff]

The Rams  outgained the Dolphins by such a large margin that it has to be a record or something for the losing team.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Jets have a slightly easier schedule the rest of the way. They still play the Jets.  They have the Bengals instead of the Steelers.  They already lost to Seattle and have the Chiefs still to play. The Bills are the opposite. Both teams have common opponents in the Chargers, Broncos, and Cardinals.  

The division could still be up for grabs week 17.

[HomeTeam]

I don't think Miami is realistically looking at this year as a year they compete for the division realistically. 

 

I think they are just looking to compete and gain some experience. Next year though, with added experience and another boatload of draft picks, watch out.

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Their defense is nasty.... I could see them being tough to beat just due to their defense.

You mean the defense Josh and Co. absolutely shredded earlier in the season? Josh was wrecking Miami when he was considered a work in progress. Until he regresses I don't think that changes. He owns the Fins! This team problem is defense. They can't rush the QB and can't stop the rush. 

[CEN-CAL17]

1 minute ago, billsbackto81 said:

You mean the defense Josh and Co. absolutely shredded earlier in the season? Josh was wrecking Miami when he was considered a work in progress. Until he regresses I don't think that changes. He owns the Fins! This team problem is defense. They can't rush the QB and can't stop the rush. 

The score was 31-28, it came down to us having to field an onside kick. Our offense was unknown at that time and teams have either figured it out or we have been much worse. Where Miami’s defense has definitely improved since there is no doubt about it.... don’t act as if Buffalo were to play that game over today Miami wouldn’t have a chance. They shut out the Jets, a Jets team we struggled with in the first half last week.

 

Yes their defense is pretty solid and only gonna get better.

[unclepete]

With Fitz I believe they could and if Tua improves it's possible. Us going 4-4 in the second half is very possible. And that's being optimistic.

[unclepete]

29 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

You take away the fluke Andy Dalton 4th down pass in week 17 his first year and McClappy's resume highlight is last year's 10-6 one and done playoff team (who also lost of 4 of their last 5 games including the Texans playoff game)

 

Either way the law of averages and parity said the Bills had to eventually do something after 17 miserable years and if becoming the new bengals/marvin lewis is an accomplishment that hardcore fans in western NY embrace then so be it but I yearn for so much more after being around for the late 80's/90's Bills teams.

I've always felt that Rex would have made the playoffs if given another year to get the right personnel in. I don't think McDermott is a bad coach at all. I think he's good but not great. This team has no identity. 

[billsbackto81]

6 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

The score was 31-28, it came down to us having to field an onside kick. Our offense was unknown at that time and teams have either figured it out or we have been much worse. Where Miami’s defense has definitely improved since there is no doubt about it.... don’t act as if Buffalo were to play that game over today Miami wouldn’t have a chance. They shut out the Jets, a Jets team we struggled with in the first half last week.

 

Yes their defense is pretty solid and only gonna get better.

Like I said, our defense is our biggest problem. And their improving defense as you say gave up a total of 471 yards. 340 passing and 131 rushing. Hey, maybe I'm wrong but the only team in the division I was worried about we beat today. 

 

On a separate note, I'm really concerned about the way this team plays in inclement weather. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

We played the same kind of football last year, and (in my opinion) looked much less impressive doing it.

Looking at their schedule, I can easily see them finishing with 10+ wins by season's end.

 

The Bills are obviously in the driver's seat right now, seeing as how they sit 2.5 games up at this point.

But things can change fast.  We have the tougher schedule going forward, and I think the Dolphins ultimately look like a better team.  

 

The Bills play the Seahawks and Cardinals next.  The way we've played lately, I can't see us winning either.  Very possible we go into the bye at 6-4.

The Dolphins play the Cardinals, Chargers and Broncos next.  If they can go 2-1 over that stretch, they are sitting at.... 6-4.

 

Don't discount them.

 

I see us winning both the Cardinals and the Seattle games, they are both teams that can be beat, and ya know, I don’t care if we win by one freakin point in both of them, No one with a brain said it was gonna be easy,

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited November 2, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, High Football IQ said:

Don't be fooled because we stole a win from them in week 2 because it hindsight it will prove to be a fluke and the epitome of teams going in the opposite direction since then.

 

Not sure if you are a bills fan or not. And if you are a Miami fan, I'm sure you are aware of Allen's track record against the Dolphins right? That doesn't give you any pause for concern? I think you are assuming way too much out of the Miami that the final game of the season would be meaningless for them. Look at what the Bengals did today to the Titans. Other than the Jets, Miami doesn't have any more gimmie games left of the schedule. Especially without Fitz under center.

[Livinginthepast]

I just saw the highlights of that game. As good as Miami looked in parts of that game, and Tua looks very good for a rookie, the Rams completely blew that game. Goff is maddening to watch, pinpoint accuracy one second, horrible INTs the next. The fumble return for a TD and the Punt return TD were total gut punches for the Rams. Miami is better than expected but lets not go crazy worrying about them just yet.

[mjt328]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I see us winning both the Cardinals and the Seattle games, they are both teams that can be beat, and ya know, I don’t care if we win by one freakin point in both of them, No one with a brain said it was gonna be easy,

 

Go Bills!!!

 

The Bills haven't beaten a QB of Russell Wilson's caliber since Sean McDermott became our coach.

 

This once proud defense has become totally gutless.  My guess is they will try to repeat the Kansas City strategy, rather than play confident and aggressive.  They will guard against the big plays and deep throws, but fail to challenge the underneath passing game.  And then get gashed in the running game as usual.  Instead of dictating the game, McDermott/Frazier will cross their fingers and hope Seattle either gets impatient or turns the ball over.

 

I would feel more confident in this game, if our offense had actually showed some life over the last 4 weeks.  This clearly isn't a team that can regularly score 30+ points and win in shootouts.  

 

[Scott7975]

26 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

They are one game behind the Bills are are riding a 3 game winning streak with double digits victories in all of them (in fact they have destroyed all four teams they've beat).

 

They also are +58 in point differential compared to -1 for the Bills.

 

I get that fans hate division rivals more than any other team and are envious but to ignore reality make no sense.

 

Hey genius... Miami is 4-3.  Bills are 6-2. They had a flukey win today with 145 yards of total offense.

 

I believe earlier you came in with your bad feeling mojo crap and told us the Pats were going to blow out Buffalo.  Honestly, you should take a day off or maybe the rest of your life.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Scott7975

[CLTbills]

Another HUGE takeaway from today is that the Bills are now 4-0 in the division. The absolute best Miami can be if they win all remaining division games is 4-2, as they've already lost to BUF and NE. So if the division were to come down to that tie breaker, the Bills are sitting pretty.

[zow2]

9 first downs and 145 yds of offense for Miami.  that’s one of those wins that is clearly not sustainable.  They had amazing Defensive and Special teams plays in the same game.  won’t happen again.  They will need some O going forward.

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Not comparing but saying he played on that level of bad today

 

EJ played well in some games as a rookie.

3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The only way Miami was even going to challenge us was with Fitz. Flores will be on the hot seat at the end of this year and probably fired next year. Flores is horrible at halftime adjustments, game management and playcalling. I'm not worried about Miami in the least.

 

That is it. Playoff guarantee for Phish.

[y2zipper]

I largely think that Tua isn't going to work in the NFL and it's better for the Dolphins if they find that out now.

 

I'd submit that the current Miami win streak is largely the result of an unsustainable turnover rate. Miami has a good defense but they've gotten 8 takeaways in the last 3, with 3 coming against SF and 4 today. Any team that gets turnovers at that rate is going to look more impressive than they are, and while they're clicking now, when that regresses to the mean they're going to look bad again.

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

EJ played well in some games as a rookie.

Sarcastically Like 1-2 games lol. 

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Not sure if you are a bills fan or not. And if you are a Miami fan, I'm sure you are aware of Allen's track record against the Dolphins right? That doesn't give you any pause for concern? I think you are assuming way too much out of the Miami that the final game of the season would be meaningless for them. Look at what the Bengals did today to the Titans. Other than the Jets, Miami doesn't have any more gimmie games left of the schedule. Especially without Fitz under center.

 

They are most certainly not and ARE most certainly the trolliest of trolly trolls.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Buffalo is going to win the division this year, I’m sorry Tua was 12-22 93 total passing yards 1 td and 1 strip sack fumble. Tua looked bad in that game, granted he’s a rookie but he looked almost ej manuel bad. I can see them going back to Fitz quickly. Miami’s defense and running game is good though they’ll compete for a wild card

To put things in perspective, Miami gained 145 yards of TOTAL offense and still won by 2 scores.

Rams gained over 400 yards of offense but couldn’t get in the endzone enough.  
 

We know from the Bills 2004 season that wins that includes defensive or special teams touchdowns are not sustainable.  

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You're nuts.

 

Nuts for a troll or just plain nuts.  According to inmates on BBMB he had multiple accounts and was constantly getting banned.

[QLBillsFan]

After 7 games 4-3,  a “ Bills fan” claims the Dolphins are by far the 3rd best team in the AFC! Sporting a 3 game win streak and without a doubt they are going to only lose 2 more games. They then will finish 11-5 and the 2nd game with the Bills will be irrelevant because the Dolphins will have clinched the division by then. Ok let’s check back when all that happens. 

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Nuts for a troll or just plain nuts.  According to inmates on BBMB he had multiple accounts and was constantly getting banned.

 

I was on BBMB and this is true.  The posts he makes here are the same posts he made there.  

[Chandler#81]

11 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Their defense is nasty.... I could see them being tough to beat just due to their defense.

Agreed. I’d prefer to rest starters Week 17, win or lose. But it now may come down to winner take all for the Division crown. 

We’ll see, but I’m expecting a season long dogfight.

[GETTOTHE50]

Miami is a tough place to play, especially if you’re a team traveling from one side of the coast all the way to the other. (Thankfully Josh seems to love playing in MIA)

 

I think Tuas struggles continue next week against the Cards and the fish get their 4th loss. Budda baker and Patrick Peterson are going to make life hard for Tua.

[H2o]

Miami may be right there with us next year, but this year the division is ours as long as we win the games we should win. Looking at there schedule I can see them going possibly 4-5 the rest of the way, at ABSOLUTE best they will go 5-4. They are already 1-2 in the division while we are 4-0 as well. That means that we would have to finish out 2-6 the rest of the way and lose both of our remaining division games for them to win the East in week 17. It's not happening.  

[Protocal69]

15 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

Going to be fun bumping this thread at the end of the season and glad folks are brave enough to go on record saying this.

 

I will also go on record and say the Dolphins not only win the division but will do it by 2 or 3 games because I don't think the season finale matters at this point even if the Bills are alive for the playoffs then.

 

And for everyone saying 'Tua looked like crap today', hello....they still crushed the Rams and won by double digits because they are clicking. When is the last time you saw a Bills team dominate in a 3 game stretch like miami has? When is the last time the Bills beat a team by 20+ points? Don't be fooled because we stole a win from them in week 2 because it hindsight it will prove to be a fluke and the epitome of teams going in the opposite direction since then.

 

This Dolphins team is not on the same level of the Chiefs and Steelers, but I think they are by far the 3rd best team in the AFC right now and looking at the rest of their schedule I can't see more than 2 losses vs at least 4 more losses minimum for the Bills.

If you think the Dolphins are going to win the division especially going away then your screen name is a total LIE.

[RoyBatty is alive]

16 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Miami is looking pretty impressive. I will say that. I think we need to tighten things up to win the division, but its definitely ours to lose. 

 

On a side note. Would you swap McDermott for Flores for HC? I'm on the fence. Ive been impressed with Flores.

I would take Flores for McDermott...provided Flores & Beane are on the same page.  I am a big Flores fan, i think what he did last year with the Phins was amazing with the last of talent he had,

[PatsFanNH]

16 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Buffalo is going to win the division this year, I’m sorry Tua was 12-22 93 total passing yards 1 td and 1 strip sack fumble. Tua looked bad in that game, granted he’s a rookie but he looked almost ej manuel bad. I can see them going back to Fitz quickly. Miami’s defense and running game is good though they’ll compete for a wild card

I agree the Bills will win the division, but not because of Tua.  That was his first game EVER! Here was nervous and jumpy the kid will get better.

 

the reason the Bills win the division is right now you have more talent and the better team! The only way that changes this year is if Allen or Diggs gets hurt crippling your O. 

[TigerJ]

16 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Miami is looking pretty impressive. I will say that. I think we need to tighten things up to win the division, but its definitely ours to lose. 

 

On a side note. Would you swap McDermott for Flores for HC? I'm on the fence. Ive been impressed with Flores.

Miami is playing with a lot of heart, but the main reason for the win yesterday was turnovers.  The Rams had close to 500 yards of offense, three times what Miami could generate.

Flores is one of the better head coaches from the Belichick coaching tree, but I'm fine with McDermott.