Week 8: Patriots at Bills

[eball]

24 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Everyone seems to think absurd the idea that McDermott will be in hot water if he loses this game. I don't get it. When you've yet to beat the Patriots during your tenure, you can almost secure the division with a win, and you're hosting them at 5-2/2-4, how is there not a referendum on McDermott if he can't lead the Bills to a win here? He absolutely has to.

 

While I share your sentiment that this is the biggest game of McD's tenure, IF the Bills lose (I don't believe they will) I think how we view McD will depend upon what sort of loss it is.  If it's a sloppy, weather-impacted game with a bunch of turnovers then you probably let it slide.  If the Bills are pushed around we've got problems.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

but then again what made you ask this question?

 

Speculating on McDermott getting fired.  That's what we do when we're 2-5, not 5-2.

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

wanna bet? not to let him go or anything like that but if i were gm with this talented of a team after a NE loss? you have to know a flame would be lit under his but or something

 

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Speculating on McDermott getting fired.  That's what we do when we're 2-5, not 5-2.

never did i say in my post that i speculate him getting fired. i just said they would lite a fire under his but if we lost. get your cards straight

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

captain injury report... great coaches find ways to win

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, eball said:

 

While I share your sentiment that this is the biggest game of McD's tenure, IF the Bills lose (I don't believe they will) I think how we view McD will depend upon what sort of loss it is.  If it's a sloppy, weather-impacted game with a bunch of turnovers then you probably let it slide.  If the Bills are pushed around we've got problems.

 

I don't agree. If we win, it will be lumped into the "who have you beat?" category. If we lose it will suck but we are also very short-handed at key positions. And who knows how bad the weather will be? We could lose on a bad bounce. We have much bigger games ahead of us to fret over this withered husk of a formerly great team.

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

never did i say in my post that i speculate him getting fired. i just said they would lite a fire under his but if we lost. get your cards straight

captain injury report... great coaches find ways to win

 

cliche alert.

[Patrick Duffy]

38 minutes ago, Logic said:

Isaiah McKenzie would be a sneaky big loss if he can't suit up. Those jet sweeps are just what we need against the weak edges of the Pats D.

If McKenzie can't go, I hope they still run those plays. I know that Diggs or Beasley could effectively handle them.

Roberts could possibly take that role as well if needed I would imagine. Although not as quick he could still be effective.

[wjag]

If you dig a little deeper, you find NE is really banged up, consider:

 

RB: 1st: Damien Harris: Q

WR: 1st: Julian Edelman: O

WR: 1st: N'Keal Harry: Q

WR: 3rd: Marqise Lee: O

LT/RT: 1st: Justin Herren: Q

RG: 1st: Shaq Mason: Q

RT: 4th: Marcus Cannon: O

LG: 2nd: Joe Thuney: Q

RT: 2nd: Jermaine Eluemunor: IR

RT: 3rd: Yodny Cajuste: IR

 

LDE: 1st: Lawrence Guy: Q

WLB: 2nd: Shillique Calhoun: Q

WLB: 3rd: Josh Uche, IR

SLB: 1st: John Simon: Q

RILB: 2nd: Brandon Copeland: IR

FS: 3rd: Kyle Dugger: Q

NT: 2nd: Carl Davis: Q

NT: 3rd: Michael Bennett: IR

SS: 3rd: Cody Davis: IR

SS: 4th: Brandon King: O

RCB: 1st: Stephon Gilmore: Q

 

And of course Covidions:

 

RB: 1st: Sony Michel

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2020 by wjag
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[JGMcD2]

38 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

wanna bet? not to let him go or anything like that but if i were gm with this talented of a team after a NE loss? you have to know a flame would be lit under his but or something

McDermott and Beane work as a unit. They hold each other to a high standard. This is just kind of oddly worded... I’m sure they’ll sit down and discuss things at length... but you obviously don’t know anything about McDermott to think he needs a flame lit under him... dude is a self starter.
 

McDermott talks about the Process for a reason. It’s not lip service. There’s constant reevaluating of things. People don’t want to buy it... that’s cool. It’s just a lack of understanding of the dichotomy of a professional sports front office and the men we have in charge. 
 

 

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

McDermott and Beane work as a unit. They hold each other to a high standard. This is just kind of oddly worded... I’m sure they’ll sit down and discuss things at length... but you obviously don’t know anything about McDermott to think he needs a flame lit under him... dude is a self starter.
 

McDermott talks about the Process for a reason. It’s not lip service. There’s constant reevaluating of things. People don’t want to buy it... that’s cool. It’s just a lack of understanding of the dichotomy of a professional sports front office and the men we have in charge. 
 

 

oddly worded and your right a sit down and talking about it in itself would lite the flame

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Not sure how we would have any chance if Butler and Jefferson miss game.  How do you go into a game where you know its going to be all running without your biggest DT and your best DT?

 

Ed Oliver says "hi"

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Stephon Gilmore added to growing Patriots injury report before Week 8 vs. Bills
 

The New England Patriots injury report keeps growing, and one of the team's best players was added Thursday.

Veteran cornerback Stephon Gilmore has a knee issue and was limited in Thursday's practice ahead of Sunday afternoon's game against the Buffalo Bills at Bills Stadium. 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/stephon-gilmore-added-growing-patriots-injury-report-week-8-vs-bills?cid=Yahoo&partner=ya4nbcs
 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

McDermott and Beane work as a unit. They hold each other to a high standard. This is just kind of oddly worded... I’m sure they’ll sit down and discuss things at length... but you obviously don’t know anything about McDermott to think he needs a flame lit under him... dude is a self starter.
 

McDermott talks about the Process for a reason. It’s not lip service. There’s constant reevaluating of things. People don’t want to buy it... that’s cool. It’s just a lack of understanding of the dichotomy of a professional sports front office and the men we have in charge.

 

I heard it here: Daboll was on the "hot seat" from the start of the season.  Seems it did well for him 4-0 offense looked great.

Little Hot Seat for McD could do just as well:

https://www.thegreenhead.com/2020/08/hot-seat-portable-heated-chair.php

 

Only thing that puzzles me: Daboll up in the booth, easy to put a hot seat up there.  I don't ever see McDermott sitting down during a game, though.  Thus, I'm uncertain as to how the hot seat is to be applied, unless it's a very close game and he carries it in the manner of a pilot or an air traffic controller who has just gone through a near miss.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Stephon Gilmore added to growing Patriots injury report before Week 8 vs. Bills
 

The New England Patriots injury report keeps growing, and one of the team's best players was added Thursday.

Veteran cornerback Stephon Gilmore has a knee issue and was limited in Thursday's practice ahead of Sunday afternoon's game against the Buffalo Bills at Bills Stadium. 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/stephon-gilmore-added-growing-patriots-injury-report-week-8-vs-bills?cid=Yahoo&partner=ya4nbcs
 

Sounds his knee has a bad case of "I'm not going to be playing here soon anyway"-itus.

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I would hope Josh runs the ball like crazy, delivering his biggest game of the year rushing.

 

He's by far our best rushing threat and running is by far what he does best.  

 

I also hope he somehow finds a way to *hold onto* the football.

 

 

He's held onto the football while rushing quite well the last couple of games.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Sounds his knee has a bad case of "I'm not going to be playing here soon anyway"-itus.

Tbh it’s going to be more of a “tackling” game than a “coverage” game with the weather so I could see that pats sitting him 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Define "hot seat."

 

 

You’ll have to ask the person that brought it up if you suspect that the definition is different from the colloquialism we’ve come to know.

 

59 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Everyone seems to think absurd the idea that McDermott will be in hot water if he loses this game. I don't get it. When you've yet to beat the Patriots during your tenure, you can almost secure the division with a win, and you're hosting them at 5-2/2-4, how is there not a referendum on McDermott if he can't lead the Bills to a win here? He absolutely has to.

Nope. If they go 10-6 with 2 losses to NE****** they’ll still win the division and host a playoff game—something that hasn’t been done here in 25 years.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Everyone seems to think absurd the idea that McDermott will be in hot water if he loses this game. I don't get it. When you've yet to beat the Patriots during your tenure, you can almost secure the division with a win, and you're hosting them at 5-2/2-4, how is there not a referendum on McDermott if he can't lead the Bills to a win here? He absolutely has to.

Because you are living in the past if you think that beating the pats this year is more significant than beating Miami. Beating them Sunday isn’t like beating them in other years. It is just another division win given the current circumstances. If they lose its not a referendum on anything other than its their 1st division loss and 3rd loss overall, and more pressure to win the following week etc. Pats are going nowhere this year. Just another W.

Edited October 29, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[wjag]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Because you are living in the past if you think that beating the pats this year is more significant than beating Miami. Beating them Sunday isn’t like beating them in other years. It is just another division win given the current circumstances. If they lose its not a referendum on anything other than its their 2nd division loss and 3rd loss overall, and more pressure to win the following week etc 

 

and 3rd loss in four weeks with Seattle up next.

[MJS]

39 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

never did i say in my post that i speculate him getting fired. i just said they would lite a fire under his but if we lost. get your cards straight

captain injury report... great coaches find ways to win

Great coaches also lose games sometimes, even to bad teams (like the Patriots losing to Miami multiple times over the past few years).

 

And yeah, great coaches also put their injured players on the injury report ... because that's the rule...

[Don Otreply]

41 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I don't agree. If we win, it will be lumped into the "who have you beat?" category. If we lose it will suck but we are also very short-handed at key positions. And who knows how bad the weather will be? We could lose on a bad bounce. We have much bigger games ahead of us to fret over this withered husk of a formerly great team.

 

cliche alert.

No doubt, 

 

I’m going with, “the game is won and lost in the trenches”

 

Next...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

and 3rd loss in four weeks with Seattle up next.

 

Oh, absolutely!!  I don't think anyone here doesn't define this as a game where the Bills ought to "take care of business"

 

But having lived through the roller-coaster ride that were the Bills Superbowl years, I regularly saw them lose games they "should have won" based on record, injuries, favorable matchups etc....and win games they were predicted to lose based on the other team's superior whatever-it-was.

 

I think the Bills players have it right when they point out that the margin between a losing team and a winning team is often very small, fractions of a second or inches or a couple calls or a handful of plays.  So a lesser team can win and a better team can lose every week.

 

Turning a specific game into some kind of referendum on the HC (as the "hot seat" post suggested) in the face of an overall successful season would be silly.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Tbh it’s going to be more of a “tackling” game than a “coverage” game with the weather so I could see that pats sitting him 

or keep him healthy enough to be traded and pass a physical 

 

[Don Otreply]

17 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Sounds his knee has a bad case of "I'm not going to be playing here soon anyway"-itus.

Its a case of the dreaded Spain sore foot syndrome... 

[wvbillsfan]

38 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

You’ll have to ask the person that brought it up if you suspect that the definition is different from the colloquialism we’ve come to know.

 

Nope. If they go 10-6 with 2 losses to NE****** they’ll still win the division and host a playoff game—something that hasn’t been done here in 25 years.

Man I hadn’t thought of that. The Ralph hasn’t had a playoff game in 25 years and that could be a real possibility this year. Not to get political but they’ve gotta figure this Covid thing out. Gotta be fans in the stands if Buffalo gets a home playoff game. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

49 minutes ago, wjag said:

If you dig a little deeper, you find NE is really banged up, consider:

 

RB: 1st: Damien Harris: Q

WR: 1st: Julian Edelman: O

WR: 1st: N'Keal Harry: Q

WR: 3rd: Marqise Lee: O

LT/RT: 1st: Justin Herren: Q

RG: 1st: Shaq Mason: Q

RT: 4th: Marcus Cannon: O

LG: 2nd: Joe Thuney: Q

RT: 2nd: Jermaine Eluemunor: IR

RT: 3rd: Yodny Cajuste: IR

 

LDE: 1st: Lawrence Guy: Q

WLB: 2nd: Shillique Calhoun: Q

WLB: 3rd: Josh Uche, IR

SLB: 1st: John Simon: Q

RILB: 2nd: Brandon Copeland: IR

FS: 3rd: Kyle Dugger: Q

NT: 2nd: Carl Davis: Q

NT: 3rd: Michael Bennett: IR

SS: 3rd: Cody Davis: IR

SS: 4th: Brandon King: O

RCB: 1st: Stephon Gilmore: Q

 

And of course Covidions:

 

RB: 1st: Sony Michel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...been following this club since 1962 and all I care about is a "W" weekly.....don't care about the past...it cannot be changed.......sad part is even if we get the home "W" on Sunday, I'm prepared for the gnats surfacing with "well, big deal, we beat the Bradyless Pats".......OR....."so what, they're on a down slide"......sadly there will be a contingent to down play the "W"....BUT I hope I am DEAD WRONG...stay tuned......

[loedward22]

3 hours ago, Justin C said:

I could see the Patriots pulling out the Navy triple option all game Sunday With no WRs, windy conditions and Cam's arm shot, I could see them pulling out something like that and running the ball 40+ times.

 

Had the exact same thought.  There was an article (sorry it's behind a paywall) in the Washington Post earlier this year about Bellichick studying the Navy offense...

Edited October 29, 2020 by loedward22

[JoshAllenReceipts]

John Brown is the key.

 

Healthy John Brown = Bills win

[clayboy54]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Sounds his knee has a bad case of "I'm not going to be playing here soon anyway"-itus.

He’s got the patented Quinton Spain boo-boo.

[Bferra13]

24 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

John Brown is the key.

 

Healthy John Brown = Bills win

 

I was thinking that too. But maybe not if we get conditions anything like that one game against the pats. And from everything im hearing on the forecast, its gonna be bad.

[gordong]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...been following this club since 1962 and all I care about is a "W" weekly.....don't care about the past...it cannot be changed.......sad part is even if we get the home "W" on Sunday, I'm prepared for the gnats surfacing with "well, big deal, we beat the Bradyless Pats".......OR....."so what, they're on a down slide"......sadly there will be a contingent to down play the "W"....BUT I hope I am DEAD WRONG...stay tuned......

You are not wrong...  NOT even close to being wrong.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

It feels like the Bills are due to break out the reds here. I wonder if we see them or the throwbacks this week. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It feels like the Bills are due to break out the reds here. I wonder if we see them or the throwbacks this week. 

Blue on White w/ Blue socks

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Blue on White w/ Blue socks

 

Is that what they are doing or a guess?

[BringBackFlutie]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Is that what they are doing or a guess?

 

The video is posted in this thread somewhere. 

[Pokebball]

Just now, BringBackFlutie said:

 

The video is posted in this thread somewhere. 

 

[Beast]

From the files of "Did you know?"

 

Did you know the Buffalo Bills have a 4-3 record against Bill Belichick coached teams that didn't have Tom Brady as a starting QB?

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

never did i say in my post that i speculate him getting fired. i just said they would lite a fire under his but if we lost. get your cards straight

captain injury report... great coaches find ways to win

 

Possibly the greatest coach ever is currently 2-4.  

Edited October 30, 2020 by Scott7975

[SydneyBillsFan]

On 10/27/2020 at 11:28 PM, Putin said:

To be honest I  want to win this game so bad I don’t care what the score is , 24-17 or 3-0  just want us to get that stinky monkey of our back 

 

Would you settle for a 4-3 win (2 Oliver safety's v a FG)??

 

After last week, I wouldn't.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

From the files of "Did you know?"

 

Did you know the Buffalo Bills have a 4-3 record against Bill Belichick coached teams that didn't have Tom Brady as a starting QB?

Well Belichick has a losing record without Brady so that is not surprising 

[Just Joshin']

27 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

Would you settle for a 4-3 win (2 Oliver safety's v a FG)??

 

After last week, I wouldn't.

So you would prefer a loss over an ugly win?  Interesting.