Week 5: Bills at Titans on Tuesday Night Football

[4merper4mer]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Summary - if a player identified as a close contact comes up positive after tomorrow, game will still happen. Only way game doesn’t happen is if there is a positive of any kind tomorrow that doesn’t allow the facility to re-open, or an outlier (player not identified as a close contact) comes up positive after tomorrow 

 

LOL they know precisely who has been in close contact with whom but they were clueless that guys were having practices until some college kid posted it on Twitter.

 

 

 

[wjag]

How is the line still Bills -1 with everything that has gone on with the Titans?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, wjag said:

How is the line still Bills -1 with everything that has gone on with the Titans?

Where did you see that?

[Mango]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Summary - if a player identified as a close contact comes up positive after tomorrow, game will still happen. Only way game doesn’t happen is if there is a positive of any kind tomorrow that doesn’t allow the facility to re-open, or an outlier (player not identified as a close contact) comes up positive after tomorrow 

 

Am I an idiot, or is everybody else trying to wrap their heads around the logic on this one? 
 

 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Am I an idiot, or is everybody else trying to wrap their heads around the logic on this one? 
 

 

No no this sounds pretty stupid.

[wjag]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Where did you see that?

 

Hmm good question.  I think it was simms florio picking games, but I can't swear to it. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

Hmm good question.  I think it was simms florio picking games, but I can't swear to it. 

Odds sharks has it as something crazy like 8 pts favorites

[Johnnycage46]

13 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Am I an idiot, or is everybody else trying to wrap their heads around the logic on this one? 
 

 

 

What it sounds like, but seems to have been omitted from her report, is that those players who have been contact-traced to have been in "close contact" with positive Covid players (I assume) have been in quarantine, so if those players pop positive tomorrow or Sunday/Monday the game is still on, as those players (I assume) have been in quarantine.

 

The issue becomes if a player pops positive who was NOT deemed to have been in close contact with the already positive players...things might change.

[Mango]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Summary - if a player identified as a close contact comes up positive after tomorrow, game will still happen. Only way game doesn’t happen is if there is a positive of any kind tomorrow that doesn’t allow the facility to re-open, or an outlier (player not identified as a close contact) comes up positive after tomorrow 

 

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

No no this sounds pretty stupid.

The league will have two weeks (16 days as of today), worth of data that since the Titans first tested positive on 9/24. Since then the team has averaged about 1.5 positive tests per day. And over that time we have learned that multiple position groups have met outside the facility to practice together and the team has been very lax with bringing UDFA, masks, contact tracing etc. 

But now suddenly, we trust the contact tracing data and if somebody on some list tests positive after he enters team facilities on say Sunday, it is totally fine and we will play...?

 

...and that is because we expected them to get COVID, maybe. Even though we maybe thought it could happen, we let them in the facility, and it did, so whatever.  But if somebody else gets it, it is a wild anomaly, not possibly due to bad data from a lax organization, or transmitted from what seems to be like the Florida of NFL football teams....

...if that is the case we are back to business as usual. Sequester said player, put on your blind folds, and go play Tuesday? 

I am sorry, is the NFL actively trying to gaslight me specifically? 

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

What it sounds like, but seems to have been omitted from her report, is that those players who have been contact-traced to have been in "close contact" with positive Covid players (I assume) have been in quarantine, so if those players pop positive tomorrow or Sunday/Monday the game is still on, as those players (I assume) have been in quarantine.

 

The issue becomes if a player pops positive who was NOT deemed to have been in close contact with the already positive players...things might change.

The player has been in quarantine, but also met outside of practice, so have they really been in quarantine? 

Are players who were in close contact with Covid-positive players allowed in the facility Sunday assuming no positive tests tomorrow? 

Bonus question. If they are allowed in, then test positive, WTF is it OK to play the game, and not shut down TN for another week? 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Tasker agrees with me that the psychological aspect of this game is concerning. The Bills will have their hands full, and the Titans are likely to be charged up.

30 minutes ago, wjag said:

How is the line still Bills -1 with everything that has gone on with the Titans?

Why would the line favor the Bills? The schedule change only benefits the Titans, and embattled teams usually respond extremely well in these situations. Bills fans are in for a rude awakening Tuesday night IMO.

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Tasker agrees with me that the psychological aspect of this game is concerning. The Bills will have their hands full, and the Titans are likely to be charged up.

Why would the line favor the Bills? The schedule change only benefits the Titans, and embattled teams usually respond extremely well in these situations. Bills fans are in for a rude awakening Tuesday night IMO.

I think that whatever psychological edge the Titans may have is mitigated by both the uncertainty/stress of the past two weeks (their friends/teammates contracting a potentially deadly virus), and the fact that the team hasn’t been able to practice at the facility in a normal fashion.

 

Further, when it comes to mental and emotional preparation for a strange and uncommon situation, I’ll take the meticulously detailed, calm, and measured presence/approach of McDermott over meathead Vrabel any day.

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

7 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Tasker agrees with me that the psychological aspect of this game is concerning. The Bills will have their hands full, and the Titans are likely to be charged up.

Why would the line favor the Bills? The schedule change only benefits the Titans, and embattled teams usually respond extremely well in these situations. Bills fans are in for a rude awakening Tuesday night IMO.

 

I have a hard time believing the bills won't be fired up and extremely prepared to want to beat down the titans, like the rest of the nfl wants them too. 

[RiotAct]

13 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

 

Why would the line favor the Bills? The schedule change only benefits the Titans, and embattled teams usually respond extremely well in these situations. Bills fans are in for a rude awakening Tuesday night IMO.

the boatload of players that will be out for the Titans

[YoloinOhio]

 

[zow2]

How do we know with 100% certainty who will be OUT for the Titans?  I am not following all the Covid comeback procedures but I would think if the guys that tested positive the first few days are testing negative now ...and are not showing symptoms, then they would be active.  Anyone have the scoop?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

the boatload of players that will be out for the Titans

I think we're looking at most of the COVID players being back.

[Logic]

Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I think we're looking at most of the COVID players being back.

Even if that’s the case, everything we know about the virus suggests there’s a good chance those guys aren’t at full strength, assuming they were symptomatic.

[Captain Caveman]

52 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

LOL they know precisely who has been in close contact with whom but they were clueless that guys were having practices until some college kid posted it on Twitter.

 

 

 

 

I think one of the violations I had heard (rumored) was that they had left their tracking bracelets home during those workouts.

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, zow2 said:

How do we know with 100% certainty who will be OUT for the Titans?  I am not following all the Covid comeback procedures but I would think if the guys that tested positive the first few days are testing negative now ...and are not showing symptoms, then they would be active.  Anyone have the scoop?

No, it is not information that is available because it depends on info that isn’t made public such as symptomatic status. Vrabel indicated some of them were symptomatic when interviewed last week, which adds time. We will know on Tuesday who is active. Players can be  removed from the Covid reserve before then, and This will be on the transaction wire.  If they are removed, there is an acclimation period that is gray in terms of timing. 

Edited October 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Look, I'm as desperate as anyone else for the Bills to win. I want them to kick Tennessee's teeth in, and I think karma would like that as well. I'm just very uncomfortable with a lot of the overconfidence I'm seeing from Bills fans and just from fans around the league who are thinking there's going to be a big advantage for the Bills here. I just don't see that at all, and I'm afraid that it's going to be a big surprise to everyone if the Titans really get after us. I'm scared to death of "What happened to the Bills?" commentary the next morning.

[wjag]

21 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Tasker agrees with me that the psychological aspect of this game is concerning. The Bills will have their hands full, and the Titans are likely to be charged up.

Why would the line favor the Bills? The schedule change only benefits the Titans, and embattled teams usually respond extremely well in these situations. Bills fans are in for a rude awakening Tuesday night IMO.

Because they have key cogs missing.  Because they have not been able to practice.  Because staff members have COVID.  Because the NFL and NFLPA have been up in their stuff.  Because they have been in turmoil as a team for 10 days.  

 

I take no game, even one against the worst team, for granted.  I don't mark this down as a W just because of what I just rattled off. It just struck me as with all the craziness and disruption to their normal schedule that -1 seemed low.  I was thinking Bills -3.  I expect a spirited effort from the Titans in front of all those Bills fans in the stands.

[The Wiz]

55 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Am I an idiot, or is everybody else trying to wrap their heads around the logic on this one? 
 

 

So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

 

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look, I'm as desperate as anyone else for the Bills to win. I want them to kick Tennessee's teeth in, and I think karma would like that as well. I'm just very uncomfortable with a lot of the overconfidence I'm seeing from Bills fans and just from fans around the league who are thinking there's going to be a big advantage for the Bills here. I just don't see that at all, and I'm afraid that it's going to be a big surprise to everyone if the Titans really get after us. I'm scared to death of "What happened to the Bills?" commentary the next morning.

 

Bills win by two scores.  I'm more afraid they spread their plague to our players.

[SCBills]

I think there’s some merit to the “mental aspect” of this game. 
 

The Titans will have that “us against the world” mentality, since they know everyone hates them right now.  
 

Our players have been in flux leading up to this game.   I’m giving Tre White the benefit of the doubt, but can’t lie and say his not practicing, coinciding with Titans week, isn’t concerning.. 

 

I do trust McDermott as being a coach who will keep everyone focused and mentally prepared.  We also have Allen and Diggs as leaders on this team who are as competitive and motivated to win as anyone in the NFL.  I trust those guys to lead us through this. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Kwai San]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Down here in Floriduh they ALWAYS ASSUME you want Ranch......UGH!

[TBBills Fan]

42 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

 

 

 

Im hoping for the 2 man sack race, the question is which of the 8 teams will actually produce a Sack team and who will they be?

[jkeerie]

27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Miscommunication my arse!   No one is going to admit that they deliberately broke the rules.    "Yeah...we didn't hear that part about none of us was supposed to practice together outside the facility."  

[Bferra13]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look, I'm as desperate as anyone else for the Bills to win. I want them to kick Tennessee's teeth in, and I think karma would like that as well. I'm just very uncomfortable with a lot of the overconfidence I'm seeing from Bills fans and just from fans around the league who are thinking there's going to be a big advantage for the Bills here. I just don't see that at all, and I'm afraid that it's going to be a big surprise to everyone if the Titans really get after us. I'm scared to death of "What happened to the Bills?" commentary the next morning.

 

One word...

 

Cakewalk. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Wait, is he saying, “Yes, that’s freakin’ awesome!” ? 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Teams that look at us in the back of their mind have to figure they need  30 against us to win. We will clamp down on Henry (like Jacobs) and 

force Tannehill to beat us. I don't think this will be anything like that year..our offense is much more dangerous. 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look, I'm as desperate as anyone else for the Bills to win. I want them to kick Tennessee's teeth in, and I think karma would like that as well. I'm just very uncomfortable with a lot of the overconfidence I'm seeing from Bills fans and just from fans around the league who are thinking there's going to be a big advantage for the Bills here. I just don't see that at all, and I'm afraid that it's going to be a big surprise to everyone if the Titans really get after us. I'm scared to death of "What happened to the Bills?" commentary the next morning.

why does it matter if the fans are overconfident? 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

12 minutes ago, nucci said:

why does it matter if the fans are overconfident? 

See last sentence. I think people have unrealistic expectations.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look, I'm as desperate as anyone else for the Bills to win. I want them to kick Tennessee's teeth in, and I think karma would like that as well. I'm just very uncomfortable with a lot of the overconfidence I'm seeing from Bills fans and just from fans around the league who are thinking there's going to be a big advantage for the Bills here. I just don't see that at all, and I'm afraid that it's going to be a big surprise to everyone if the Titans really get after us. I'm scared to death of "What happened to the Bills?" commentary the next morning.

Good Lord.

 

[r00tabaga]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

 

My man, Kenny Mayne!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

LOL they know precisely who has been in close contact with whom but they were clueless that guys were having practices until some college kid posted it on Twitter.

 

Yeah, this is the Achilles Heel in this whole thing with the Titans. 

 

The premise appears to be that "close contacts" are to self-quarantine, test, and then remain quarantined until 24 hrs and a 2nd negative test have occurred.

 

Are we supposed to believe the Titans have now correctly and truthfully identified all of the close contacts they may have had with teammates outside the building, while not wearing their Kinexion trackers?  Would anyone like to bet on that?

 

6 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

See last sentence. I think people have unrealistic expectations.

 

Trust me, we see overreactions after every loss whether or not people have unrealistic expectations.

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, this is the Achilles Heel in this whole thing with the Titans. 

 

The premise appears to be that "close contacts" are to self-quarantine, test, and then remain quarantined until 24 hrs and a 2nd negative test have occurred.

 

Are we supposed to believe the Titans have now correctly and truthfully identified all of the close contacts they may have had with teammates outside the building, while not wearing their Kinexion trackers?  Would anyone like to bet on that?

 

 

Trust me, we see overreactions after every loss whether or not people have unrealistic expectations.

You left out the part where the close contacts are OK to test positive and the machine keeps on going. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

You left out the part where the close contacts are OK to test positive and the machine keeps on going. 

 

It has some rationale behind it.  The close contacts are already supposed to be quarantining from the team pending 2 negative tests 24 hrs apart, so they're not supposed to be propagating the spread of the virus. 

 

My problem with that reasoning is that it depends upon a system of objectively tracking players and knowing who the close contacts are.  The Titans are known to have flouted this, both within the facility and without.  

[Mango]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It has some rationale behind it.  The close contacts are already supposed to be quarantining from the team pending 2 negative tests 24 hrs apart, so they're not supposed to be propagating the spread of the virus. 

 

My problem with that reasoning is that it depends upon knowing who the close contacts are.

 

I generally agree with you. There are just too many assumptions at the moment. Per your post and league protocol, they just need 2 negative tests within about 72 hours (2 more than 24 hours). Does that then remove the player from whatever Tennessee's version of "quarantine" is? And if it does, why does it not effect the status of the game? 

This is not a rule breaking punishment like your kid stays out too late, get caught skipping school,  or you find your HS with a bottle of booze under their bed. This is, you found out your wife was banging her co-worker on her work trips even though she was video calling you every night to complain about what a ***** husband he is to his wife and is so glad you two have a strong relationship. You have lost the benefit of the doubt moving forward. 

Another part probably missing from your issue is that we actually still don't know if there were any more practices than 9/29 AND 9/30. Because a 16 year old did not take a picture does not mean it didn't happen. I am generally not one to take such a leap from one step to the next, but this is something that could derail another franchise and/or the entire league.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2020 by Mango

[YoloinOhio]