Postgame Thread: Bills at Raiders

[CincyBillsFan]

I think it was back in 2011 and the Bills had just beaten the Pats to go 3 - 0 and they came down here to Cincinnati which was 0 - 3.  Can you say 4 - 0!  But it was not to be as the Bills lost to the Bengals and the wheels fell off the team after that.

 

Today the Bills played against a good team that was fired up and treating the game like it was their Super Bowl.  The Bills won 30 - 23.  They never trailed and had leads of 14 - 3; 17 - 6 and 30 -16.  A solid win on the road against a very good team to go 4 - 0.  Absolutely fantastic.

 

Sure the D struggled through the first two and a half quarters but they got their act together and played great the rest of the way.

 

Allen and the offense had another great game.  Scoring 30 points and going up and down the field.  Allen completed 24 of 34 passes and his 10 incompletions included at least 5 deliberate throw aways and at least two dropped passes.

 

We all breathed a sigh of relief when Allen came back from the injury. And for the record I didn't see any difference in Allen's throwing mechanic or motion pre or post injury.  Three of Allen's best passes in the game came in the 2nd half - the "TD" pass to Brown (are the NY review refs drinking on the job); that big 3rd down conversion throw to Beasley and the 50 yard deep ball to Diggs.  And if Allen's shoulder was at risk would they have had him sneak it in on FIRST down From 6 inches out? 

 

Allen's sack had me and I assume a lot of others screaming at the TV but we're going to get that kind of play from him once a game.  

 

For me Allen is the first QB since Kelly retired that gives me the confidence that Jim did.  Kelly couldn't always deliver and there will be games where Allen won't either.  But football is not about perfection - it doesn't exist in this sport.  But Allen is in total command of the offense in the same way Kelly was and like Kelly Allen can make magic.  This is the guy and we can win it all with him at the helm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Green Lightning]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

This is really not a playoff caliber defense.  I feel a disappointing end to the season coming.

Happy we're 4-0 but this D has me uber concerned. They we're giving up double digit yards every damn play for a few drives. No turnovers no win, but hey, those turnovers were  great plays. Maybe Norman makes a difference as our secondary is pretty damn shaky.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’m not confident in the Kicker or Punter. It might not seem like a big deal right now but you never know when they can cost you a game. It’s not like those are impossible positions to find upgrades at. I would be pulling out the stops to fix both as soon as possible. Now is the time to do it. Not a week after you wish you had.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m not confident in the Kicker or Punter. It might not seem like a big deal right now but you never know when they can cost you a game. It’s not like those are impossible positions to find upgrades at. I would be pulling out the stops to fix both as soon as possible. Now is the time to do it. Not a week after you wish you had.

I am with you. I was against cutting Haush money for this very reason— rookie kickers are too much of a risk. So what if Bass can make a 58-yarder if he is all over the place on XPs? And Bojo does nothing for the punting game, and manages to be a terrible holder too. 
 

Bass May be great in 2 years, but we need someone who is solid and reliable now. 

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Yeah... I think Allen is anything but the problem.. Our defense needs to get a lot better though.. Forcing our offense to put up 30pts every game is unsustainable.. Think McD may need to relieve Frazier of his play calling duties..

Before blaming Frazier, our D has to get on the same page.  They just aren't playing as a cohesive unit.  D-line is terrible at times, running into each other trying to get upfield, Edmunds out of position or over pursuing to cover openings, breakdowns in coverage.

All fixable I think, and they did look better at times in the second half.

WRT Allen's sack, he threw some balls away today and will learn from that sack.  You could see it in his face and his development is finally at a point where coaches can focus him on fixing it.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:

Just heard Josh’s postgame presser. Basically all he did was own what a boneheaded play that was, so you gotta give him credit for that at least. 

Allen has never not owned his bad plays. It’s part of why he’s a good QB.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am with you. I was against cutting Haush money for this very reason— rookie kickers are too much of a risk. So what if Bass can make a 58-yarder if he is all over the place on XPs? And Bojo does nothing for the punting game, and manages to be a terrible holder too. 
 

Bass May be great in 2 years, but we need someone who is solid and reliable now. 

You can absolutely cut bass and get him back on the PS. No way anyone in the league steals him based on the tape that exists of him.

[Freddie's Dead]

I love Chris Rose on the NFL Gameday Highlights.  CANNN YOUUUU DIGGS IT????? (in his best Cyrus voice).  Awesome!!

[Coach Tuesday]

Does Diggs have the strongest hands in the league?  Up there with Hopkins and Landry for sure.

[Figster]

20 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Happy we're 4-0 but this D has me uber concerned. They we're giving up double digit yards every damn play for a few drives. No turnovers no win, but hey, those turnovers were  great plays. Maybe Norman makes a difference as our secondary is pretty damn shaky.

Norman made a difference today.

 

As the Bills evolve into an explosive high scoring O its possible the Bills D will slip some in the stats as desperation mounts with the opposition.

 

Oddly enough, generally speaking around the NFL Offensive units appear to be a little ahead of the leagues D's IMO. 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Figster

[Freddie's Dead]

9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am with you. I was against cutting Haush money for this very reason— rookie kickers are too much of a risk. So what if Bass can make a 58-yarder if he is all over the place on XPs? And Bojo does nothing for the punting game, and manages to be a terrible holder too. 
 

Bass May be great in 2 years, but we need someone who is solid and reliable now. 

 

 

Bodork was horrible today.  Two punts into the end zone straight up the middle (if you punt inside the numbers in this league, you won't last very long), and then he Ray Finkles the hold (laces at 5:00, Houston, WTF, over?).  It wasn't calling fake FG on your own bad, but pretty close.  That missed XP could have been huge.  I can't blame Bass when the hold was so ridiculously bad.  

Edited October 5, 2020 by Freddie's Dead

[gordong]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

This cracked me up. You think youre saying something clever, but you end up looking really silly.

 

Turns out yards dont matter much if you dont get points.

 

your opinion sir, I don’t think a defense that give up that many yards played well at all.   You apparently do, to each there own... clever has nothing to do with it... 🤧

[Green Lightning]

Just now, Figster said:

Norman made a difference today.

 

As the Bills evolve into a more exlosive high scoring O its possible the Bills D will slip some in the stats as desperation mounts with the opposition.

 

Oddly enough, generally speaking around the NFL Offensive units appear to be a little ahead of the leagues D's IMO. 

Seems so. Just not used to seeing our D so pourous, confused, out of position and missing tackles and gaps. Frankly I'd like to see more of Jaquan out there at safety.

[ROCBillsBeliever]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

ORLY

 

 

 

"He's a magician... And we give him an F-minus, minus, minus for today's game, because we are trolls."

 

--P.F.F.

[Figster]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

Seems so. Just not used to seeing our D so pourous, confused, out of position and missing tackles and gaps. Frankly I'd like to see more of Jaquan out there at safety.

I think both the Rams and Raiders are tough teams to defend against. 

 

Its not getting any easier...

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

I think both the Rams and Raiders are tough teams to defend against. 

 

Its not getting any easier...

Fitsy carved us up as well. And you're right 

 It ain't getting any easier.

[Comebackkid]

16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Does Diggs have the strongest hands in the league?  Up there with Hopkins and Landry for sure.

cant knock brown either after that grab that was but wasnt a td

[Figster]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

Fitsy carved us up as well. And you're right 

 It ain't getting any easier.

A hot handed Fitzmagic can be a handful of bearded fury for most D IMO.

 

  

[Bigvinny]

Looks like the defender led with his helmet on Josh on the play he got hurt.

[wiley16350]

I'm just going to say that the sack was bad but Allen doesn't really take a lot of those. He's been very good at throwing the ball away. The times he has done it has been specific situations and in this one I think it is possible that he was thinking about keeping the clock running, which would be fine except that points were more important in that specific situation than the clock was. Despite what apparently some people think, he has shown plenty of ability to learn from his mistakes. The only mistake he has really repeatedly made is playing hero ball which tends to happen when the offense has struggled for too long of a stretch during any certain game. While he has repeatedly made that mistake, he has gone long stretches without doing it and played pretty clean with the interceptions.

[Ralonzo]

41 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

So what if Bass can make a 58-yarder if he is all over the place on XPs?
 

Bass May be great in 2 years, but we need someone who is solid and reliable now. 

 

"All over the place?" You do realize that was his first missed XP this year, right? He's missed two field goals of which one of them may or may not have been actually missed.

 

The team is 4-0. Every kicker was a rookie at some point. Your take to dump the kicker because maybe the guy might cost the team at some point, based on sheer pessimism and  a PFF-style analysis to magnify every wart and diminish every success, is a bad take. Then next year you're doing it all over again with another draft pick or street FA or college detritus.

[Freddie's Dead]

KNOCK KNOCK!!

[RocCityRoller]

4-0 is great, onto the Titans. Wins vs Las Vegas and the Titians help vs wild card teams in case of tie breakers.

 

Team needs to learn how to close out games, they are learning how to win.

 

Been up multiple TD's in almost every game, but two have come down to onsides kicks.

 

C. Bojorquez needs to learn how to push laces out. The XP miss clearly shows laces to the right.

 

Defense was sparked by plays from Jefferson, Oliver, Norman, Milano. Too bunched up early.

 

Tre Edmunds is a terrible MLB.

 

Thank god the offense with Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Kroft, Knox and Singletary bailed them out again. Depth at OL helped.

 

Defense is missing Lawson, Phillips and Star. The replacements are avg at best (Addison excluded)

 

Bring in Snacks, like Liuget last year. People laughed at me thinking Liuget wouldn't be missed. He was a run stuffing machine.

Losing Liuget and Star is too much. Bring in Liuget or Snacks to help the D-line, the Bills need a true 1 technique guy.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Cmon. Plays like that can lose games - see Atlanta SuperBowl. It is one blemish on an otherwise great game. But it is reasonable for the fan base to go nuts on such a play becuae it is 100% mental and 100% avoidable .

In the Atlanta SB there were 17 plays like that in a row. He had the one. 

[whatdrought]

I know someone posted it up thread, but one of my favorite things today was the Josh Norman quote about when Coach said someone needed to make a play he said to himself: “I’ll do that.” “I’ll go make a play.”

 

Love that so much!

[FLFan]

27 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

"All over the place?" You do realize that was his first missed XP this year, right? He's missed two field goals of which one of them may or may not have been actually missed.

 

The team is 4-0. Every kicker was a rookie at some point. Your take to dump the kicker because maybe the guy might cost the team at some point, based on sheer pessimism and  a PFF-style analysis to magnify every wart and diminish every success, is a bad take. Then next year you're doing it all over again with another draft pick or street FA or college detritus.

Pay no attention.  This is the same guy who felt compelled after today’s game to start a thread about what’s wrong with the Bills defense.  Ignore the trolls.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

31 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

"All over the place?" You do realize that was his first missed XP this year, right? He's missed two field goals of which one of them may or may not have been actually missed.

 

The team is 4-0. Every kicker was a rookie at some point. Your take to dump the kicker because maybe the guy might cost the team at some point, based on sheer pessimism and  a PFF-style analysis to magnify every wart and diminish every success, is a bad take. Then next year you're doing it all over again with another draft pick or street FA or college detritus.

he’s missed 2 FGs of under 40 yards and now

an XP. 

 

the reality is few rookie kickers work out right away.  Most of them bounce around for a few years, and then flame out or figure it out. For a team that is going to be contending, I see no great reason for us to roll the dice on a rookie kicker. At a minimum, he needs to be on a short leash. 

[Cruiserplayer]

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

he’s missed 2 FGs of under 40 yards and now

an XP. 

 

the reality is few rookie kickers work out right away.  Most of them bounce around for a few years, and then flame out or figure it out. For a team that is going to be contending, I see no great reason for us to roll the dice on a rookie kicker. At a minimum, he needs to be on a short leash. 

Can you tell us who would be better?

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

he’s missed 2 FGs of under 40 yards and now

an XP. 

 

the reality is few rookie kickers work out right away.  Most of them bounce around for a few years, and then flame out or figure it out. For a team that is going to be contending, I see no great reason for us to roll the dice on a rookie kicker. At a minimum, he needs to be on a short leash. 

 

You can only wait till a young kicker flops and fails with somebody else, and then and only then are they worthy of giving a chance to?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Any word on Levi Wallace?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

You can only wait till a young kicker flops and fails with somebody else, and then and only then are they worthy of giving a chance to?

no— but it is a risk. It’s a much higher risk because we are contending this year. If this were a rebuilding type year, I would say— absolutely, go for it. But if I were the GM

of this team, I would be looking for a veteran I can trust. Maybe not a guy who can make 55-yard bombs. But someone who is reliable under pressure from under 50 and has experience making pressure kicks.

 

you have to admit that Bass is not inspiring confidence thus far. I don’t know if McDermott would feel comfortable sending him out now for a long FG attempt, let alone a GW FG attempt. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Any word on Levi Wallace?

 

[Michael1962]

https://www.nfl.com/news/josh-allen-s-dramatic-development-central-to-bills-perfect-start

 

Some national recognition.

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

Bad time management at the end, No need to hand off. 

[stevewin]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

What kinda pizza parties is he going to?

[sullim4]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

C. Bojorquez needs to learn how to push laces out. The XP miss clearly shows laces to the right.

 

They either need to drill this into him, or have Barkley hold for Bass.  This is the second time now that he's done that, his track record as a holder with that incorrect fake field goal call a few years ago isn't awesome.

[JerseyBills]

7 hours ago, downunderbill said:

The emotional instability of a large number of fans here is insane.

Yes. Alot of PTSD from year after year of Billsy performances. 

I have it too. But it's very clear this is a completely different team than we've seen in 25 years! 

Hope the 2nd half was a bit of a turning point for this defense. 

4-0 . All alone on top of the AFC!!!

 

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

I like this trend... Any other new stadiums coming soon?

and they can never take this away. Case in point, I Still hate Herb Mul-key!🤬

9 hours ago, Trekking said:

Defense stepped up in the second half

 

not sure we win without all those turnovers. Offense wet the bed in the second half. 

Yes, a 13 pt 2nd half after a 17 pt 1st Half is huge cause for concern -for a bed wetter, anyway..

8 hours ago, mattynh said:

The D did get a couple turnovers in the 4th so have to give credit there but man they give up a lot of easy yards and generally are not playing well with a lead.

Agreed and it’s definitely unsettling. If we’re going to allow receivers to run wild in our Secondary, we might as well blitz more and try to stop the pass.

8 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'd tell you what value I place on your opinion, but mods are awfully touchy these days 

Reported.

7 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Diggs got the 1st down there but was marked 2 yards short 

I thought so too. Difficult from tv, but he stretched the ball upfield as he was going OOB. Tried to show it -hard.😂 Refs hosed us again as Brown’s catch was clearly in the endzone 🤬

6 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

"All over the place?" You do realize that was his first missed XP this year, right? He's missed two field goals of which one of them may or may not have been actually missed.

 

The team is 4-0. Every kicker was a rookie at some point. Your take to dump the kicker because maybe the guy might cost the team at some point, based on sheer pessimism and  a PFF-style analysis to magnify every wart and diminish every success, is a bad take. Then next year you're doing it all over again with another draft pick or street FA or college detritus.

Not understanding all the hate for Bass. Haven’t since it began. What’s dramatically different so far this season is the Offense putting up 30 pts/game. No, he’s hasn’t been perfect, but I think he’s going to fine and reliable when it counts most. He has ‘Want To!’ like many of his teammates. Raidahs score on the KR if he doesn’t make the play.

[GETTOTHE50]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

What kinda pizza parties is he going to?

these kind:

 

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Enjoy 4-0, it's not something I'm used to. Probably not you either