SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 1. Was there contact 5 yards downfield? Answer Yes. penalty stop whining (and the Rams) and deal with it. the holding made it so he wasn’t in position to catch the ball. Edited September 28, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Whkfc said: It wasnt a catchable ball because the corner held up the reciever had the reciever not been held he would have been in position to catch the ball. Pass interference wasnt the correct call he is right. Tue correct call should have been defensive holding still giving the Bills an automatic first down. I think this is accurate - I do believe that is technically sound as the holding kept Davis from being in position to catch the ball rendering the ball "not catchable", but this crew pulled some head-scratchers during the game and the Rams were the beneficiaries of plenty of them. Could have sworn I saw a delay of game too that was not called, then the very next play the Rams had to call a timeout with 1 sec on the clock or they were going to push their luck twice. Was not exactly the "A" team of officials and I am not a fan of how Rivera has an echo-chamber approach to closing ranks and tweeting out the spin-cycle nonsense when it comes to his crew's mistakes. Would be much better if they just said, mistakes can happen at game speed and we will review all calls for accuracy as part of our continuous performance improvement. Edited September 29, 2020 by WideNine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I was curious of what Rams “fans” were thinking, so I jumped on their Reddit. Most are of the idea that they didn’t deserve to be in a position to even win the game. There are a few that think that call was trash and they deserve to be upset. My thought is, “dude, the refs literally gifted you the ball on a totally fabricated call at mid field. If that didn’t happen we aren’t even having this conversation” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Ecmic82 said: I originally thought it was a bad call because the defender threw his hands up to say “I didn’t do anything” before the play was over and before a flag was thrown, and that’s usually a good sign of a clear conscience 🙄 But watching a slow motion replay, it’s clear that not only does the defender initiate contact, but the hold also directs Davis off his initial inside cut and away from the point where he would’ve otherwise been - which is where the ball was thrown. I feel the opposite. When you throw your hands up thats a sign that you were holding but now you are trying to convince someone ( Ref) that you were not because you know it could be viewed like you are/were 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Someone with access to the All 22 will be able to tell if he was still holding Davis when Josh released ball. The replays all show one or the other angle but no way to say for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecmic82 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: I feel the opposite. When you throw your hands up thats a sign that you were holding but now you are trying to convince someone ( Ref) that you were not because you know it could be viewed like you are/were I was joking. It’s probably the most sure sign that a defender knows he did something he wasn’t supposed to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ecmic82 said: I was joking. It’s probably the most sure sign that a defender knows he did something he wasn’t supposed to. sometimes my sarcasm detector is off. Sorry😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Didn't see this posted. But came across this. I sure hope they don't base their in game decisions on things like this but this seriously irritates me to think we could have it impact future games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Dean Blandino is a piece of.....well.... Yes, Virginia, the NFL is fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 He said the quite part out loud 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I mean with the INT he gets to have both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Dean Blandino is a piece of.....well.... Yes, Virginia, the NFL is fixed. If the NFL is fixed, how come the crew on the field made the call and took the LA anger? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Didn't see this posted. But came across this. I sure hope they don't base their in game decisions on things like this but this seriously irritates me to think we could have it impact future games The following tweet to Dean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Yeah, hence the "just give it to em" game... You really want the Boston market mad at you?!?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Dean Blandino was never actually a ref. That is my issue with him. I am sure he thinks like that and might even have while overseeing replay. But Pereira was an actual referee as was Al Riveron and as a professional those guys take just as much pride in their craft as the players on the field and I doubt they think like that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If the NFL is fixed, how come the crew on the field made the call and took the LA anger? Don't rain on my parade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Mike Pereira said it was the right call and as others have stated it should have been holding at the very least. Blandino in all his XFL glory is a tool. He should go back to stand up comedy. Didn't hear the whinny media complain about the phantom INT the basically changed the game. The shield will always give big markets more love. It's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Mike Pereira said it was the right call and as others have stated it should have been holding at the very least. Blandino in all his XFL glory is a tool. He should go back to stand up comedy. Didn't hear the whinny media complain about the phantom INT the basically changed the game. The shield will always give big markets more love. It's life. Wasn’t MP the “on deck” rules analyst for the game? At that time he also said it wasn’t an INT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If the NFL is fixed, how come the crew on the field made the call and took the LA anger? Forget it, he's rolling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: The shield will always give big markets more love. It's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think this ‘technique’ was coached, especially after Robert Woods came out and said ‘you couldn’t tell if he was run blocking or running a route.’ (+ -) If he was run blocking, the CB did a pretty 1/2 assed job getting off the ‘block’. Sounds like a coach (or other players) told them to try it to see how much they could squeeze the refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If the NFL is fixed, how come the crew on the field made the call and took the LA anger? Because they got the LA market to keep watching until the end of the game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If the NFL is fixed, how come the crew on the field made the call and took the LA anger? Bills were -2.5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Dean Blandino is a piece of.....well.... Yes, Virginia, the NFL is fixed. Blandino doesn't work for the NFL. He used to , but he's now media. Why wouldn't a member of the media think first about which media market is more important? This is about as far from showing the NFL is fixed as you can get. EDIT: Ah, I see you're about half-kidding. Sorry. Edited September 30, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think it's just a case of Blandino trying to take the bland out of his name. He'd put a glass eye to sleep that lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Josh Allen Is the World's Wildest Roller Coaster: Allen’s afternoon included four passing touchdowns, one rushing touchdown, a reckless jump-ball prayer with a 25-point lead that was completed ... but was incorrectly ruled an interception (there was also an offensive pass interference flag) [also questionable IMO]. There was another lost fumble, the rare quarterback facemask penalty committed as he used one pass rusher as a human shield to block another pass rusher. And he had another late lateral to an unsuspecting teammate—that teammate was unsuspecting because no reasonable person would ever attempt such a lateral (the ball rolled safely out of bounds). Anyway, the Bills defeated the Rams in a football game, by three points. Bills Score Seven When They Get to the Red Zone: Five red zone trips, 35 points, and they needed every one of them. In a league where no one seems interested in tackling anyone, red-zone efficiency is a very important thing. https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/09/27/week-3-takeaways-josh-allen-wild-ride-foles-in-trubisky-out-falcons-blow-it-again https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-vs-rams-final-score-buffalo-bounces-back-after-blowing-25-point-lead-to-remain-undefeated/live/ Spurred by a controversial John Johnson III interception, Jared Goff rallied Los Angeles back to take a 32-28 lead late. Bills quarterback Josh Allen was given the ball with one final opportunity and dug deep to lead a game-winning drive featuring a controversial pass interference penalty and an unfathomable escape from the grasp of Sean McVay's defense. Why the Bills won Josh Allen was a wizard in the first half. He avoided contact, stood tall in the pocket and threw with accuracy down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Says the guy on the team that benefited from a DPI to get the win the previous week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 3:21 PM, MJS said: Should have been illegal contact. The only legitimate gripe is that the officials usually don't call things like that late in the ball game. They usually let them play unless it is super egregious. Either way the Bills get a 1st down and the shot at winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Let's give Gabe Davis his proper due here. I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this here yet. He refused to let the defender steer him out of his route. Most rookies aren't aware or experienced enough to do that in game 3 of their pro career. More than anything he drew the foul like a Guard driving the lane in basketball drawing the blocking foul. And even with the illegal contact/PI he was able to run his route and if Allen had a split second more time he possibly could have been in position to make the catch. One more thing... As a Bills fan that's seen his team get screwed consistently over the last 20 years with bad calls at the worst possible time I will not apologize or entertain any opinions that the call was wrong or feel bad for the opponent or their fans. After all the Rams made it to the SB on the most blatant defensive PI non-call ever. On to the Raiders! Edited September 30, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/9/29/21492762/penalty-recap-los-angeles-rams-at-buffalo-bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 If the refs made this call in the 1st Quarter, nobody would have questioned it. There was clearly contact after 5 yards that impeded the WR, with the pass in the air. And the defender wasn't playing the ball. The main reason people hate the call, is because this was a clear situation where the refs ended up deciding the game. Nobody likes that. If the official decides to hold the flag, the Bills lose. If he decides to throw it, the Bills probably have a 90% chance of winning. My opinion is that penalties should be the same regardless of situation. You call a game the same on the first play, as you do on the last. You call a game the same in the regular season as you do in the playoffs and Super Bowl. Also, the claims that Los Angeles benefited from several other bad calls is valid. There is a good chance the comeback never happens without aid from the refs. Many have elaborated on the ridiculous INT call, which flipped the game's momentum. But there is also visual evidence in another thread that Aaron Donald grabbed the QB's facemask on the 4th Quarter fumble. How does the game change if they call a facemask on the Rams, instead of a turnover (and then ensuing 15 yard penalty on Allen)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/9/29/21492762/penalty-recap-los-angeles-rams-at-buffalo-bills LOL Finally we have the offensive pass interference on Tyler Kroft that was declined due to the Rams getting a gift from the refs an interception. Let’s see if the OPI was warranted and also get angry again at how bad of a call the “interception” deal was. Edited September 30, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 3:11 PM, Protocal69 said: per Robert Woods: pass interference should not have been called against Williams. “He’s playing defensive back, you know he’s playing hands on, he’s checking him,” Woods said, “and as [Davis] gets into his route, the receiver initiates the contact and the quarterback is literally just throwing the ball in the area. “It wasn’t even a catchable ball.” Well maybe if the guy was not holding well pass 5 yards Gabe would have been at the spot where Allen was expecting him to be on a anticipation throw. Somebody should have told Woods karma is a b$#@h, and asked him about Allens interception/non interception, just to see what his thoughts were on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 3:14 PM, BananaB said: Bet he never answered any questions about the interception On the PI I said “Wow, you don’t always get that flag, especially at this point in this kind of a game.” so it did feel a little bit like a make up call to me. And I’ll take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Its simple. It was PI because ball was in the air to the WR while they were still engaged. It’s that simple. Case closed. Had Josh thrown the ball after he broke free, there would have been no PI called. It was a PI 100% per the rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Its simple. It was PI because ball was in the air to the WR while they were still engaged. It’s that simple. Case closed. Had Josh thrown the ball after he broke free, there would have been no PI called. It was a PI 100% per the rules. but but ...... he was leaning to the left and not the right. Dean Blandino is the former head of officiating for the XFL. former for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 It was clearly a penalty, and the Rams DB knew it. watch the end of the play. Rams DB throws his hands up in the "not me, I didn't do anything wrong" signal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: It was clearly a penalty, and the Rams DB knew it. watch the end of the play. Rams DB throws his hands up in the "not me, I didn't do anything wrong" signal. This. 99 times out of 100 the DB is quick to throw his hands up when he knows he's committed a penalty. I don't get why DB's still do that to this day. They might as well yell at the ref "throw the flag!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, JMF2006 said: Either way the Bills get a 1st down and the shot at winning Yup, all while the Rams still had a chance to stop us. We got a very rare call in our favor when we have been screwed so many times in years past with ticky tack calls against us, or non calls for us that should of been been called. I have zero issues with the win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, BarleyNY said: On the PI I said “Wow, you don’t always get that flag, especially at this point in this kind of a game.” so it did feel a little bit like a make up call to me. And I’ll take that. This is kind of an important distinction: It's not a controversy because it's a bad call. It's a controversy because it happened on the last play. As opposed to a situation like the Rams vs Saints championship game. That was a controversy because it was a horrible call (non-call). One's worth complaining about and the other is not. To me, it's most important for the refs to call a consistent game. Like, if you're not going to call holding, fine. Just don't decide to call it all-of-a-sudden on the last drive. Don't change the way you officiate simply because it's the last play. That's the BS that irks me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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