BigDingus Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 People say the media is biased against us, I've been in the camp that when we start winning & beating good teams, they'll give the Bills credit. Here's Dan Orlovsky making a case for Allen, even going so far as to say "And if that was Aaron, or if that was Russell, Tom or Drew, we'd be making a much bigger deal about that drive and those two conversions, and they win the game because of Josh Allen." If it weren't for Russell Wilson putting up even more ridiculous numbers, more people would agree through 3 games, Allen has taken a massive step forward. He does still make a few head scratching plays each game (like just not getting rid of the ball & taking a huge sack), but otherwise he's added key elements like touch passes, deep ball accuracy, and not locking onto his primary target pre-snap through throw to his game. And yes, I threw that one criticism in to incur the wrath of a certain diehard 😄 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) This Rams game certainly moved Allen into the "elite" category for the media. He's getting Mahomes level love now. Edited September 28, 2020 by SCBills 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Josh Allen is as equally valuable as Russell Wilson is to his team. Or Patrick Mahones is the o his team. All three teams would be awful if you replaced them with say Kirk Cousins. In comparison you could probably put cousins on the Steelers or Browns and expect those teams to perform at the same win/ loss level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1962 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 That's "only 3 games", what a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 If he keeps this pace up consistently in his career I have no doubt he is going to be in the MVP conversation for a long time. I'm ecstatic about it. Now just need to keep them Ws going. Have to be the best player on a winning team. Let's aim for 12-4 or better boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I think it is silly to call anyone an MVP candidate when there aren't even three weeks in the books. That goes for Wilson and Allen and the rest of the league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 The funny thing for me is that it seems like so many people, particularly the ones who still like to bring up the headscratching plays, the negative ones, conveniently forget that ALL of the elite quarterbacks make the same kind of plays, on a weekly basis!! The first ballot HOFers, the Mahomes, Jacksons, Wilsons...all of em. And to me what makes what Allen is doing even that much more impressive is that this is a QB, no, this is THE QB that everybody dumped on coming out of college(me included). I'll be honest and say I seriously doubted he would be able to overcome his accuracy issues. The improvements that he has made from one year to the next are absolutely mind-boggling if you ask me. For what he has done so far this year, I will happily take the one or two hiccup plays he commits, because that's just the nature of the position. You have to be willing to take risks, and I love knowing when the game is on the line, and it's 3rd and 22, our QB goes for the jugular, or at the minimum the first down. I have too many bitter memories of past Bills qb's with the game on the line, it's 4th and 9, and he throws a 5 yard out pattern. I thank God for who we have behind center now. The bottom line is his good BY FAR outweighs his bad. And he's only getting better.... 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 His MVP consideration will be hurt by the defense's reputation. People associate the Bills with having a top-5 defense, even though, thus far, they have been far from it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, smuvtalker said: The funny thing for me is that it seems like so many people, particularly the ones who still like to bring up the headscratching plays, the negative ones, conveniently forget that ALL of the elite quarterbacks make the same kind of plays, on a weekly basis!! The first ballot HOFers, the Mahomes, Jacksons, Wilsons...all of em. And to me what makes what Allen is doing even that much more impressive is that this is a QB, no, this is THE QB that everybody dumped on coming out of college(me included). I'll be honest and say I seriously doubted he would be able to overcome his accuracy issues. The improvements that he has made from one year to the next are absolutely mind-boggling if you ask me. For what he has done so far this year, I will happily take the one or two hiccup plays he commits, because that's just the nature of the position. You have to be willing to take risks, and I love knowing when the game is on the line, and it's 3rd and 22, our QB goes for the jugular, or at the minimum the first down. I have too many bitter memories of past Bills qb's with the game on the line, it's 4th and 9, and he throws a 5 yard out pattern. I thank God for who we have behind center now. The bottom line is his good BY FAR outweighs his bad. And he's only getting better.... I paid attention to the GB/NO game last night. Rodgers had a few head scratchers of his own last night. They're not as insane as Allen's because he's been in the league forever and isn't anywhere near the athletic beast JA is but he still made some horrible decisions and throws in a game he played pretty well in. It's football. The players/coaches on the other team are really good/professional too. Sometimes they're going to win their matchup and even when that happens, Josh may very well make a huge play for us. That's an incredible quality and he's only going to get better at it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 'Valuable' player has always been a little loosely defined. Some people look at it as it simply meaning the best player but others look at it like "well without this guy their team is screwed, he's the most valuable" What if there's a great backup behind him, does that make him less valuable? Either way, #17 is good enough to win a championship with, and thats all I care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Keyshawn Johnson is an idiot. Next. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: He's been saying that since last week, and getting laughed at. I do think it is way to early to have an opinion on this however. I don't think it's too early. Yes we're only three games in but Allen has only gotten better with each game, AND....he's getting better each week as the level of our opponent has gotten better too...that's impressive... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Keyshawn Johnson on Josh Allen: "He's playing fine.." Oh... ok 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) One surprising fact I heard recently that really opened my eyes to the uphill battle Josh would have to earn the MVP award: To date, Russell Wilson has never received a SINGLE vote for MVP across his entire career. If Wilson hasnt even received a single vote yet, we may just have to be patient before we see our guy properly recognized. Edited September 28, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: One surprising fact I heard recently that really opened my eyes to the uphill battle Josh would have to earn the MVP award: To date, Russell Wilson has never received a SINGLE vote for MVP across his entire career. If Wilson hasnt even received a single vote yet, we may just have to be patient before we see our guy properly recognized. Wow, seriously? That's shocking... Wilson has been the Seahawks team for what, several years now? That guy has just improved to a stupid level & yet no MVP votes ever? I understand how people like Mahomes dominated the MVP voting when they did, but c'mon...Wilson has been playing such good football. Just checked his stats, 35 TD's to 7 INT's & 31 TD's to 5 INT's the past 2 years, 100+ passer rating, 66% completions, etc. yet not a single MVP vote 🤨 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: One surprising fact I heard recently that really opened my eyes to the uphill battle Josh would have to earn the MVP award: To date, Russell Wilson has never received a SINGLE vote for MVP across his entire career. If Wilson hasnt even received a single vote yet, we may just have to be patient before we see our guy properly recognized. WOW. Yeah that's a real shock to know that, and considering Wilson is a media darling, Josh may have to throw for 6,000 yards, 50 touchdowns, the one "int" he threw yesterday, 85% completion, and also develop a cure for Covid AND cancer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: One surprising fact I heard recently that really opened my eyes to the uphill battle Josh would have to earn the MVP award: To date, Russell Wilson has never received a SINGLE vote for MVP across his entire career. If Wilson hasnt even received a single vote yet, we may just have to be patient before we see our guy properly recognized. And to your point that narrative is out there amongst voters now. Keyshawn made a good point when he said Josh has an uphill climb because Wilson came into this year with momentum based off the zero votes factoid and Wilson has done nothing but throw gas on the fire with his play. Josh Allen might not be MVP this year but his play so far puts him in the conversation. I’m more than OK with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I don't buy this Wilson is partially "owed" an MVP BS... Last season and a past lack of votes should mean nothing to the 2020 MVP discussion. BTW, I think Wilson is the MVP thus far, barely. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Keyshawn should stick to catching balls.... He contributed nothing & was actually insulting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, The 9 Isles said: Keyshawn Johnson is an idiot. Next. Keyshawn's argument.... "Russell Wilson came into the season as the MVP favorite..." Uh ok... Not a slam against Wilson (who is also playing fantastic), but what does that have to do with anything? Also, you could tell that Orlovsky actually has been watching the Bills play. And Keyshawn clearly has been watching his twitter feed. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Orlovsky was one of the most vocal anti-Allen analysts when Josh was drafted. The smart ones are all admitting they were wrong. Orlovsky has slowly been coming along as Josh has progressed and his conversion now appears to be complete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Russell Wilson is the front runner but Josh is right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, SmokinES3 said: I don't buy this Wilson is partially "owed" an MVP BS... Last season and a past lack of votes should mean nothing to the 2020 MVP discussion. BTW, I think Wilson is the MVP thus far, barely. Just my opinion. You are 100% right that it shouldn't, but we know that it will. The narrative has been set, and he's the front runner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Orlovsky was one of the most vocal anti-Allen analysts when Josh was drafted. The smart ones are all admitting they were wrong. Orlovsky has slowly been coming along as Josh has progressed and his conversion now appears to be complete. I give Dan credit, he started making that turn early. Like last year. While I have plenty of issues with ESPN's on-air "talent" (using that term loosely), Orlovsky is one of the more fair analysts. In that, he watches more team than just the Cowboys and Patriots. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, smuvtalker said: WOW. Yeah that's a real shock to know that, and considering Wilson is a media darling, Josh may have to throw for 6,000 yards, 50 touchdowns, the one "int" he threw yesterday, 85% completion, and also develop a cure for Covid AND cancer. Pretty much. We're Buffalo, nobody respects us. I've been listening to Keysean Johnson ramble nonsense here in LA for the last several years. Eric Dickerson was popping off about 8 months ago on how over rated the Bills were. After a while you just change the channel. Unless he stumbles, Russell Wilson is winning it this year. It's almost pre ordained because of his earlier snubs in voting. Josh could easily be runner up. Besides the goal is the Lombardi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: I paid attention to the GB/NO game last night. Rodgers had a few head scratchers of his own last night. He completely overthrew a deep ball last night, and he wasn't even under duress. If that were Allen, who knows how many people would yell about inaccuracy. But it's Rodgers, so it was just one of those throws in an otherwise great game. Meanwhile, three weeks does not an MVP make. Those discussions have all the value of a power rankings post. But it doesn't mean I can't enjoy the discussions. And the dude in the video was right. That four-minute drive to win the game was absolutely incredible, and if that were Wilson or Rodgers, everyone would be talking about it today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Mike Florio of PFT pointed out to Peter King recently that in the past decade, the MVP is almost ALWAYS from one of the top two seeds -- usually the top seed -- in either the AFC or NFC. In other words, "Most Valuable Player" has REALLY come to mean "The best player on the best team", or even more accurately "the quarterback of the best team". So in addition to Josh continuing to put up good numbers, the Bills likely need to be one of the top two seeds in the AFC for him to have a good shot at MVP. And even then -- even if the Bills are the AFC's #1 seed and Josh has a great season -- it's possible Russell Wilson has an even BETTER season down in the NFC and wins the thing. Lord knows the national sentiment this year seems to be "It's Russ's year!". And hey, if they named an MVP tomorrow, I'd have to vote for Wilson. His stats are better across the board than Josh's. I mean...he just threw 5 TDs in back-to-back weeks! Edited September 28, 2020 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Honestly, I think JA is the type who would turn that kinda snub into even better football. Wilson for MVP! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) I will weigh in on the Russell Wilson versus Allen comparisons. I watch every Seahawks game and have done so for the past 15 years.Russell is electric, there is no doubt about that. However, when people get on Josh about inaccuracy, Wilson misses a lot of throws as well. The number of times he throws low to his receivers cannot be understated. Don’t get me wrong, I would’ve loved to have had him the past 7 years behind center, but he is not infallible. We have a QB who is 7 years Russ’s junior who has grown leaps and bounds and has that same killer instinct. We can all rest easy knowing that the Bills have an MVP quality quarterback, no matter what the pundits say. Edited September 28, 2020 by MiltonWaddams 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Orlovsky was one of the most vocal anti-Allen analysts when Josh was drafted. The smart ones are all admitting they were wrong. Orlovsky has slowly been coming along as Josh has progressed and his conversion now appears to be complete. He has been coming on One Bills Live for a couple years now and has been giving Allen props when deserved. Seems like he just calls it like he sees it, which is refreshing. A lot of us were fooled before Josh Allen was drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Last week he said it and they laughed him off the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 So sick of hearing about MVP crap. First of all its only week 3 and who really cares anyway? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Lol. Of course Keyshawn Johnson would be like that. He's the epitome of the type of elite media type who will always dismiss Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: If he keeps this pace up consistently in his career I have no doubt he is going to be in the MVP conversation for a long time. I'm ecstatic about it. Now just need to keep them Ws going. Have to be the best player on a winning team. Let's aim for 12-4 or better boys I would love to see him keep up this pace. In the previous 2 seasons combined he had 5163 yards, 30 passing TDS and 21 INTs His current pace has him finishing this season with 5536 yards, 53 passing TDs and 5 INTs I don't think that's realistic but I'd love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 If I were voting for MVP today, I would have to go with Wilson with Allen a close second. To me it will come down to how the teams look at the end of the year. If Wilson and Allen have similar statistical seasons but one team is 12-4 and the other is 10-6, it's going to go to the guy on the 12-4 team. Having any sort of conversation about this in week 3 is ridiculous though, especially since the last two MVPs haven't even played their third game yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Keyshawn better save his salary from this show. No chance they keep this threesome going. Jwill and zubin are fine. KJ is just awful and bringing the other 2 down. kJ should only be on his YT channel imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Does Allen deserve to be in the MVP discussion based on the first 3 weeks he definitely does. However, it is a long season and he still needs to prove that he can win consistently week in and week out before anointing him. There were moments in the 2nd half where he looked shaky but he showed growth by carrying this team to a victory in a game they probably would have lost in previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I do agree that Wilson has the inside track right now, but after 17 years with no playoff appearances and even more with no playoff wins, the national media simply refuses to acknowledge this team is legit. They are afraid to go out on a limb if you could even call it that any more. I've been Josh's biggest critic for the last 2 years and he has won me over this season. He still has some things to work out like his inexcusable fumbleitis, but if he can clean that up, he could well be an MVP at the rate he's going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I think after almost 24 hours people can start to see the big picture here. That rams team is still mainly built on the coaches and players that brought them to the Super Bowl 2 years ago and they look like they could be a serious contender again this year and our Bills beat them in a shoot out. That is unbelievable and something I haven’t seen from a Bills teams since the Kelly era. Not even the 1 good Bledsoe year could begin to start to describe how excited I am for this team. Sure there’s some problems here and there but the Bills are now built to be serious contenders and it looks like it could stay that way for a while. This could be a regular season game that people point to in the future where we realized this team has officially arrived on the contender list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: His MVP consideration will be hurt by the defense's reputation. People associate the Bills with having a top-5 defense, even though, thus far, they have been far from it. Not so sure about that. Lamar Jackson has gotten plenty of attention and Baltimore touted a top 5 defense last season, or close to it. 3 hours ago, Gene1973 said: It would be cool if both teams were undefeated when they meet. Pretty tall order I know... And also cool if KC and Buffalo were undefeated when Mahomes and Allen are on the same field. Not as far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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