Can someone explain the Josh Allen hate from Bomani Jones and Dominique Foxworth??

[F.W. Cyclone]

Never heard of them till now.

[RichRiderBills]

Bohmani Jones was a promising voice of reason for awhile, I generally enjoyed his views. Somewhere along the line the Lebarted, Woody Paige hot take school got to him....and he soured.

 

 

[DCOrange]

There was a lot of truth in what Foxworth was saying. 11:30 - 12:00 was all fair game IMO. Bomani just hates Allen; always has. As I've said many times, I absolutely loved Lamar as a prospect (had him as my #1 QB prospect in the draft) and liked Allen as well. Bomani was one of the people that disagreed with all the scouts that were saying Allen was a potential #1 pick while Lamar was a potential late 1st round or 2nd round pick (which I totally agree with him on) but he basically got fed up about it and started arguing that if Josh were African American, he would have been ranked lower than Lamar was and that's why he's continued to call him Jaheim Allen instead of Josh even now. The stuff from Bomani is bush league; Foxworth was basically fine (at least for most of his argument).

[Doc]

Opinions...

[C.Biscuit97]

If you had a friend who said he was this great ladies man but all he ever did was hook up with 2s, what would you think?  The Jets are like a 2, maybe a 1.  They might be the worst team in the NFL.  If Allen wants “respect”, he will need to do it to a 7 or higher and he has a bunch of chances last year.

 

personally, minus the fumbles and a couple passes, I thought it was a strong game.  He should have a good game this week as well and then the real tests start.  But that was a perfect preseason game and Allen looked confident.  Now do it against the big dogs.

 

and bomani, who is alright but seems a bit cranky, thinks that if Allen was black, he would be viewed like how other young black qbs used to be. Hell, we have “experts” here who put down Lamar Jackson after winning the MVP.  There is some truth there but Allen definitely takes a lot of criticism but again, it’s not completely unwarranted.  
 

But if strings together games where he can win with his arm and against good opponents, he will get his respect.  So all in all, a very good start to the season for him.

[DuckyBoys]

too busy hyping up their boys  I dont listen anymore and those three clowns have nothing tangible to offer anyway  You can bet when one of their boys falter they will have a long list of excuses

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

There was a lot of truth in what Foxworth was saying. 11:30 - 12:00 was all fair game IMO. Bomani just hates Allen; always has. As I've said many times, I absolutely loved Lamar as a prospect (had him as my #1 QB prospect in the draft) and liked Allen as well. Bomani was one of the people that disagreed with all the scouts that were saying Allen was a potential #1 pick while Lamar was a potential late 1st round or 2nd round pick (which I totally agree with him on) but he basically got fed up about it and started arguing that if Josh were African American, he would have been ranked lower than Lamar was and that's why he's continued to call him Jaheim Allen instead of Josh even now. The stuff from Bomani is bush league; Foxworth was basically fine (at least for most of his argument).

Yeah, I posted similar stuff.  He is kinda right about the Jackson stuff. There is little doubt right now he should have been the #1 pick with Allen being the second best qb.  
 

I actually had Allen and Jackson ranked the same coming out because I was worried about them as passers but loved the physical skills.  Both have found good situations and are doing well.  

[Stank_Nasty]

17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If you had a friend who said he was this great ladies man but all he ever did was hook up with 2s, what would you think?  The Jets are like a 2, maybe a 1.  They might be the worst team in the NFL.  If Allen wants “respect”, he will need to do it to a 7 or higher and he has a bunch of chances last year.

 

personally, minus the fumbles and a couple passes, I thought it was a strong game.  He should have a good game this week as well and then the real tests start.  But that was a perfect preseason game and Allen looked confident.  Now do it against the big dogs.

 

and bomani, who is alright but seems a bit cranky, thinks that if Allen was black, he would be viewed like how other young black qbs used to be. Hell, we have “experts” here who put down Lamar Jackson after winning the MVP.  There is some truth there but Allen definitely takes a lot of criticism but again, it’s not completely unwarranted.  
 

But if strings together games where he can win with his arm and against good opponents, he will get his respect.  So all in all, a very good start to the season for him.

Meanwhile most of the same media slobs all over Newton and his 240 total yds vs that vaunted fins defense.... makes sense right? 
 

If it’s Allen it was “just the Jets”. Newton, after an 0-8 stretch, has a fairly pedestrian game against a crap squad and his whole career trajectory has changed now! 
 

did you see JacksonS lateral this weekend? Probably not, but it was about as bad as Allen’s from last season.  Where’s the coverage on that? Where’s the tweets and gifs? Allen goes 33-44 for over 300, 104 rating and no picks and what do they talk about? a missed pass. Sorry, that’s just lame and pathetic. 
 

We agree on one thing though. The ONLY way the narrative changes is when he strings together some solid games vs legit squads. That doesn’t change how silly it is to just totally discount when he carves up a bad team. He didn’t was he was supposed to do. Allen has already proved most of these hot takes wrong and they all look like little toddlers throwing tantrums just plugging there ears and stomping around trying to point out one bad play. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I posted similar stuff.  He is kinda right about the Jackson stuff. There is little doubt right now he should have been the #1 pick with Allen being the second best qb.  
 

I actually had Allen and Jackson ranked the same coming out because I was worried about them as passers but loved the physical skills.  Both have found good situations and are doing well.  

 

Jackson would SUCK in Cleveland. Pretty sure anyone would, but especially the guy who needed a completely unique and customized offense be built around him. One that no one with the Browns is/was capable of designing.

 

No one can succeed in Cleveland. That franchise is rotten from the top down.

 

Regardless of how he's looked in NY, I still think Darnold should have been Cleveland's pick. For as bad as Cleveland is, I think it's a better situation than NYJ.

[uticaclub]

Every game Allen proves his haters and supporters right. That being said stop watching the Dan Leberard show, some of the worse content on ESPN, which is saying alot

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Jackson would SUCK in Cleveland. Pretty sure anyone would, but especially the guy who needed a completely unique and customized offense be built around him. One that no one with the Browns is/was capable of designing.

 

No one can succeed in Cleveland. That franchise is rotten from the top down.

 

Regardless of how he's looked in NY, I still think Darnold should have been Cleveland's pick. For as bad as Cleveland is, I think it's a better situation than NYJ.

I just think Lamar is really, really good and would be good anywhere.  Because so far, he has been really good anywhere.  Louisville wasn’t exactly loaded with talent.  
 

and on paper, the Cleveland situation looks awesome for a qb. I hated Baker in college but I thought he had Brees potential but he might be an Oklahoma creation.  Murray looks much, much better than him. 

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Every game Allen proves his haters and supporters right. That being said stop watching the Dan Leberard show, some of the worse content on ESPN, which is saying alot

Disagree.  That show is pretty funny but to each their own. 

[C.Biscuit97]

13 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Meanwhile most of the same media slobs all over Newton and his 240 total yds vs that vaunted fins defense.... makes sense right? 
 

If it’s Allen it was “just the Jets”. Newton, after an 0-8 stretch, has a fairly pedestrian game against a crap squad and his whole career trajectory has changed now! 
 

did you see JacksonS lateral this weekend? Probably not, but it was about as bad as Allen’s from last season.  Where’s the coverage on that? Where’s the tweets and gifs? Allen goes 33-44 for over 300, 104 rating and no picks and what do they talk about? a missed pass. Sorry, that’s just lame and pathetic. 
 

We agree on one thing though. The ONLY way the narrative changes is when he strings together some solid games vs legit squads. That doesn’t change how silly it is to just totally discount when he carves up a bad team. He didn’t was he was supposed to do. Allen has already proved most of these hot takes wrong and they all look like little toddlers throwing tantrums just plugging there ears and stomping around trying to point out one bad play. 

You do realize that Jackson and Newton have won MVPs and are routinely criticized here all the time. Prior to the Jets game,  he had a career high 266 passing yards and averaged 190 for his career.  Those are really bad for a qb, so it’s not like they are Just making up stuff.

 

if Allen continues with these games, it will stop.  Consistency is the key.  No one doubts his ability to make amazing plays.  Just needs to string quarters and games together to become a legit guy. Nice start. 

 

1 hour ago, Kelsayrundefense said:

How did Foxworth get an MBA from Harvard?  Guy is a moron.

You determine intelligence based on if a person likes the QB of your favorite team?  Where did you get your MBA, Gordon Gecko?

[Stank_Nasty]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You do realize that Jackson and Newton have won MVPs and are routinely criticized here all the time. Prior to the Jets game,  he had a career high 266 passing yards and averaged 190 for his career.  Those are really bad for a qb, so it’s not like they are Just making up stuff.

 

if Allen continues with these games, it will stop.  Consistency is the key.  No one doubts his ability to make amazing plays.  Just needs to string quarters and games together to become a legit guy. Nice start. 

 

Right so because Jackson has won an MVP we’ll sweep his dumb plays under the rug I suppose. Meanwhile Allen can completely go off in week one and basically your justifying glossing over that in order to dedicate a whole segment to one missed pass. I have no clue why somebody would try and justify that approach. But whatever, man. 
 

like somebody said earlier of the analysts. They were Bush league. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Kelsayrundefense]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You determine intelligence based on if a person likes the QB of your favorite team?  Where did you get your MBA, Gordon Gecko?

Have you ever heard the guy expound his opinion on a topic?  You can tell he's not super bright.  I never got an MBA.  When I got out of college, I wanted to make money.

[H2o]

9 hours ago, Special K said:

Skip to 10:55

 

 

These guys were complete jerks towards Josh Allen, and this isn't the first time they've done this to him.

 

I will never watch this show again when these two clowns are on it.....complete garbage from these guys!!

 

I think Bills Mafia need to get on these guys twitter accounts and let them know what we think of their opinions of Josh Allen!

LebaTARD lives up to his name. Jones and Foxworth are just more of the same idiots employed by ESPN. Nothing to see here. 

[HardyBoy]

You know what, it's probably because of the tweets from high school.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

The hate stems from the whole Lamar Jackson disrespect in his draft process.  Fair or not, Allen was the target for all the people who felt Lamar was disrespected in the draft process.  Josh had nothing to do with the Lamar disrespect, but he was the target.  You even see the hate transitioned to this board from posters like @C.Biscuit97 and others who always bring up Lamar when they get challenged on their criticism of Josh.  Then the pre-draft tweets solidified their hate.  

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

The hate stems from the whole Lamar Jackson disrespect in his draft process.  Fair or not, Allen was the target for all the people who felt Lamar was disrespected in the draft process.  Josh had nothing to do with the Lamar disrespect, but he was the target.  You even see the hate transitioned to this board from posters like @C.Biscuit97 and others who always bring up Lamar when they get challenged on their criticism of Josh.  Then the pre-draft tweets solidified their hate.  

What?  All I ever do is mention how this board loves putting down Jackson, a MVP, and then want to start a riot whenever someone questions Allen.  The logic of doubting a MVP/ Heisman trophy winner at 23 and then getting upset when someone criticizes Allen is crazy. 
 

that said, they are currently the best QBs of their draft class.  

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What?  All I ever do is mention how this board loves putting down Jackson, a MVP, and then want to start a riot whenever someone questions Allen.  The logic of doubting a MVP/ Heisman trophy winner at 23 and then getting upset when someone criticizes Allen is crazy. 
 

that said, they are currently the best QBs of their draft class.  

 

See, you're doing it right now.  Point Made.

[C.Biscuit97]

28 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Right so because Jackson has won an MVP we’ll sweep his dumb plays under the rug I suppose. Meanwhile Allen can completely go off in week one and basically your justifying glossing over that in order to dedicate a whole segment to one missed pass. I have no clue why somebody would try and justify that approach. But whatever, man. 
 

like somebody said earlier of the analysts. They were Bush league. 

Um yeah.  The Patriots have had some horrible draft picks.  It could be argued that the Bills have drafted better. But guess what? When you win 6 SBs, you get the benefit of the doubt,

 

if Allen wins a MVP/ SB, they will stop laughing at his bad plays because then it just looks petty,

[Malazan]

I've never heard of them before this...what is this obsession with everyone having to agree? Stop dropping everything in your life to and racing to post stupid sh*t random internet people say...you'll be a lot happier and the rest of us won't have to have this same conversation for the hundredth time. 

[Blank Stare]

Josh has work to do to silence his haters. No real mystery. Do I think some of it is a little harsh when you compare the treatment to what other QBs get? Yes, I think it’s a little unfair they hang on one misfire on what was otherwise a pretty solid day passing. But winning cures all. 
 

With respect to Dominique Foxworth’s take, most of it was fine. You could make a ton of memes and gifs with those facial contortions he makes when reacting to other takes. Bomani is just an opinionated dude. He’s got a little of the “I’m smarter than everyone else / my way or the highway” sort of vibe to him. Personally, I think that plays better on Around the Horn vs. other shows, but to each their own. Only thing that matters to me is winning and seeing Josh keep improving. 

[Stank_Nasty]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

if Allen wins a MVP/ SB, they will stop laughing at his bad plays because then it just looks petty,

It already does. But based on your prior material on here I guess it’s not surprising that you don’t think so. 
 

Again, I think we both agree it won’t stop this week, even with another good game. He’s gotta put up against a couple of contenders. I just don’t agree that it’s warranted at this point regardless of who he’s played. For people to pick out one pass after that type of game, regardless of opponent or his past, is just really foolish IMO. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[ILBillsfan]

There will always be critics...... That throw to Brow and the miss to Knox earlier tells he me he heeds to spend some time working on that throw rolling to his left.....and then the ball security when running........Some of the points they make are valid but way over zealous and atleast Bomani Jones said he had a pretty good game but if they are to be competitive come playoff and to the superbowl these have to be fixed I concur.  There was a bad throw late in the game that could of been picked.  It was the Jets and I drink a littel that good thing this was against the Jets because there will be games where the Defense may be nicked up like this week that the offense needs to shoulder more of the load and those mistakes may come to bite ya

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

There will always be critics...... That throw to Brow and the miss to Knox earlier tells he me he heeds to spend some time working on that throw rolling to his left.....and then the ball security when running........Some of the points they make are valid but way over zealous and atleast Bomani Jones said he had a pretty good game but if they are to be competitive come playoff and to the superbowl these have to be fixed I concur.  There was a bad throw late in the game that could of been picked.  It was the Jets and I drink a littel that good thing this was against the Jets because there will be games where the Defense may be nicked up like this week that the offense needs to shoulder more of the load and those mistakes may come to bite ya

 

He certainly can spend more time, but he can make that throw; there's plenty of tape on him making it.  The one against Miami from the endzone immediately comes to mind.  He just missed the throws.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I don't watch ESPN, they fired all of their elite reporters/analyst. I watched this clip and all of these guys are horrid. Let's hype up Cam and crap on Allen, what a joke of a show. 

[nucci]

 

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, Kelsayrundefense said:

How did Foxworth get an MBA from Harvard?  Guy is a moron.

He’s far from that.  He doesn’t make Allen turn over the ball or not set his feet and airmail throws that should be completions.  And he’s right, good teams will make the Bills pay for those mistakes.  
 

The issue is he and many pundits ignore the many good plays he makes with his arm and legs.  

[C.Biscuit97]

41 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

It already does. But based on your prior material on here I guess it’s not surprising that you don’t think so. 
 

Again, I think we both agree it won’t stop this week, even with another good game. He’s gotta put up against a couple of contenders. I just don’t agree that it’s warranted at this point regardless of who he’s played. For people to pick out one pass after that type of game, regardless of opponent or his past, is just really foolish IMO. 

What prior material?  Why are some of you so sensitive?  You guys would really be going nuts over the Wyoming QB who completed 58% of his passes in the MWC, didn’t make 1st or 2nd team his last year there, and is completing 58% of his nfl passes and averaging 190 passing yards a game if he wasn’t a Bill?  
 

there were plenty of reasons to doubt Allen.  If he succeeds, he will be the exception rather than the rule.  But stop attacking like it’s so agenda.  We would have been questioning him as a NFl qb if the Jets drafted him.  
 

dude had the best passing game of his career against a terrible team.  Kudos to him. Now prove it against good teams and be consistent and he will get all the praise. 

20 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I don't watch ESPN, they fired all of their elite reporters/analyst. I watched this clip and all of these guys are horrid. Let's hype up Cam and crap on Allen, what a joke of a show. 

You don’t understand why a SB/ MVP might get a bigger leash than Allen at this point? 
 

 

[Pokebball]

22 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

He certainly can spend more time, but he can make that throw; there's plenty of tape on him making it.  The one against Miami from the endzone immediately comes to mind.  He just missed the throws.

This is the real point.  Everyone knows he can make these throws because he has.  And every QB misses throws - each and every game.  There will always be that one throw, or those two throws.  If that is what some what to focus on, so be it.

[Bangarang]

Some of you are too sensitive. 

[Stank_Nasty]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What prior material?  Why are some of you so sensitive?  You guys would really be going nuts over the Wyoming QB who completed 58% of his passes in the MWC, didn’t make 1st or 2nd team his last year there, and is completing 58% of his nfl passes and averaging 190 passing yards a game if he wasn’t a Bill?  
 

there were plenty of reasons to doubt Allen.  If he succeeds, he will be the exception rather than the rule.  But stop attacking like it’s so agenda.  We would have been questioning him as a NFl qb if the Jets drafted him.  
 

dude had the best passing game of his career against a terrible team.  Kudos to him. Now prove it against good teams and be consistent and he will get all the praise. 

You are nearly impossible to talk to about this.... So when I say a segment of a show is petty because their literally laughing at our qb and forming an opinion or argument of his game based on one play that’s means I’m going nuts over my qb? Get a clue man. This is exactly the material I speak of from you.  I can have a completely even head about my qb, acknowledge he HAS to make that throw and get better, and still say those dudes look like idiots for how they talked about Allen. That doesn’t make me some

sensitive rabid Allen fanboy. But you consistently paint with broad strokes so whatever. 
 

If you have watched jones and foxworth and how hard they go on Allen and don’t think it’s anything other than agenda driven then there’s obviously no talking to you about it. Which I sort of already knew, so I don’t know why I bothered. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What prior material?  Why are some of you so sensitive?  You guys would really be going nuts over the Wyoming QB who completed 58% of his passes in the MWC, didn’t make 1st or 2nd team his last year there, and is completing 58% of his nfl passes and averaging 190 passing yards a game if he wasn’t a Bill?  
 

there were plenty of reasons to doubt Allen.  If he succeeds, he will be the exception rather than the rule.  But stop attacking like it’s so agenda.  We would have been questioning him as a NFl qb if the Jets drafted him.  
 

dude had the best passing game of his career against a terrible team.  Kudos to him. Now prove it against good teams and be consistent and he will get all the praise. 

You don’t understand why a SB/ MVP might get a bigger leash than Allen at this point? 
 

 

What bigger leash? Cam was a FA for what felt like 9 months. No teams wanted him and it took a Patriots team that traded Brady and had nothing at the QB position to finally sign him. Im just getting into my 4th beer, when I respond to your next post I should be on 8. 

[KD in CA]

Are we really going to have another thread every time two random schmoes on the internet don't like Allen?   

[Hampton Josh fan]

10 hours ago, purple haze said:

Allen is sloppy with the rock.  People remember things like that.  They remember dumb laterals in playoff games.  That said, he’s still pretty good and getting better.  If he plays well and lessens turnovers the Bills will go far.  But he has to stop giving the ball away.  They should’ve had 40 something points yesterday.  Foxworth is right.  Better teams will take advantage of those mistakes.

Count on a strip fumble every game he is such a big part of the offense. He will get better at ball security with coaching but if he can move the ball up and down the field and be the threat they have to protect against, this team will be tough to defend. Josh is on track to be a winning QB in the league. His completion rate and decision making will improve with the reps with this receiving corp. He is a great leader and takes responsibility for mistakes and bad outcomes. Let these experts level criticism and predictions at their own peril.

[Bobby Hooks]

Does Josh deserve a little criticism? Sure. But it’s not just these two knuckleheads, it’s everywhere.

 

I saw QBs misfiring everywhere. For the most part, Josh did well, and in many cases better than a lot of these other QBs. 

 

I do think its odd that they demand perfect mistake free football from the guy they considered a garbage fire  raw prospect. But everyone else gets the benefit of the doubt because of no preseason, etc. 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Bobby Hooks

[DrDawkinstein]

Dan LeBatard was always a fun read while he was at the Miami Herald in the 1990s, especially on Mondays after a loss to the Bills. Not even Bills fans could roast and destroy the Dolphins as savagely as Dan. Always a great amount of schadenfreude to be had.

 

His ESPN show is more entertainment than Sports Analysis, or even Sports Entertainment.

 

Dont take anything these guys say too seriously.

[purple haze]

2 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Count on a strip fumble every game he is such a big part of the offense. He will get better at ball security with coaching but if he can move the ball up and down the field and be the threat they have to protect against, this team will be tough to defend. Josh is on track to be a winning QB in the league. His completion rate and decision making will improve with the reps with this receiving corp. He is a great leader and takes responsibility for mistakes and bad outcomes. Let these experts level criticism and predictions at their own peril.

He’s had issues with turnovers every season. I’m concerned this isn’t something he will get past at this point.   And that’s a problem because moving the ball up and down the field is something he’s lead before; then he fumbles away the points the Bills should have, and the game is closer than it should be.

 

But yeah, he has all the intangibles one could want.  And his physical ability speaks for itself.

[Gugny]

Foxworth has been a bitter soul ever since he realized he has a girl's name.

[CircleTheWagons99]

I was reading the comments on that video and apparently the only reason Allen was drafted so high was because he is white.....