Redskins facing severe pressure to change name.

[BillsfaninSB]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

That will invoke the thought of that HORRIFIC movie

Good point!

[Poleshifter]

They only need to change the logo to a Virginia Redskin Peanut. Done.

 

Or do they have to change the name of the peanut now?

 

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

Also, Nike has just pulled all Redskins merchandise.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898699-nike-appears-to-remove-all-washington-nfl-team-apparel-from-online-store

How bout maybe shutting down their sweatshops in China, Indonesia, Columbia, etc... while they're at it?  I'm all for changing the name but Nike being this progressive crusader is funny to me.

[Wizard]

I am good with the name change. I can see the rational and need to do so. Either way, Dan Snyder's team will suck.

 

On a less serious note with the name change, I request a time machine (aka DeLorean) be made available. We can go back to SuperBowl XXVI against the Washington ________ with all the knowledge of the plays and schemes they run to give us the win.

 

It is not like that can happen, right? Or, could it?

 

Signed, Bill Bellicheat 

 

what name would you give the team?

 

 

 

 

[aceman_16]

Well...Washington owned 100s of slaves. I can see them dropping Washington in their name.

 

Heck our beloved Buffalo Bills (ya know named after Buffalo Bill Cody) should be questioned in all this ruckus. In other words,, should the Bills change their name due to Buffalo Bill Cody’s racist behavior as a gesture of apology to all Native Americans and other U.S. citizens? After all, Buffalo Bill was an Indian (Native American) fighter, assisting in systematically committing genocide against the indigenous inhabitants....just sayin'!

 

NOW I personally don't believe we should but you can see the long slippery slope we get into. My only hope is that people at least be consistent with their "cancel culture" herd mentality and not cherry pick and choose.

[Capco]

50 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

My only hope is that people at least be consistent with their "cancel culture" herd mentality and not cherry pick and choose.

 

So, if the Bills name was to be changed for this reason would you view that as consistent or cherry picking?

[machine gun kelly]

Ace man, I was thinking the same thing.  I’m sure most don’t even know how name came to existence.  It was the original Buffalo Bills of the 1940’s, and it was a naming contest.  Ralph being a student of history wanted to keep it the same when he became part of the foolish 8.  For the younger folks or casual fans, the 1940’s Bills was not part of the NFL (it was from 1946-49 in the All-America Football Conference) and George Halas blocked the team from rolling into the NFL as he thought from what I’ve read not a financially viable team.  He did though support the Browns, 49ers, And Baltimore Colts.  In 46, they were called the Buffalo Bisons, and before this league in 1940 they had another professional league, Buffalo’s team was called, get ready was the Buffalo Tigers/Indians.  The league folded with WW2.  What was interesting is back then the steel and other production plants were at their peak and Buffalo was a thriving blue collar town.

 

It is too bad as it would have been nice to have an NFL team since WW2 Like the other 3 in 1950.  Anyway, the Indians thing was not an issue back then and personally I understand there are segments of society who are offended by the name Redskins.  I’ve listened to American Indian chiefs like the Seminole Indians in North Florida who some say they want the name as it still means native Americans are relevant in this country.  Then for every group and persons who like the significance, there are just as many people who hate the name.

 

Bottom line is if Snyder hasn’t buckled at this point, the likelihood he will is low.  It doesn’t mean he’s right, just Id be surprised he changes the name.  This topic will come up for awhile, die down, and then then prop up again in a year or two.

[Doc Brown]

58 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Well...Washington owned 100s of slaves. I can see them dropping Washington in their name.

 

Heck our beloved Buffalo Bills (ya know named after Buffalo Bill Cody) should be questioned in all this ruckus. In other words,, should the Bills change their name due to Buffalo Bill Cody’s racist behavior as a gesture of apology to all Native Americans and other U.S. citizens? After all, Buffalo Bill was an Indian (Native American) fighter, assisting in systematically committing genocide against the indigenous inhabitants....just sayin'!

 

NOW I personally don't believe we should but you can see the long slippery slope we get into. My only hope is that people at least be consistent with their "cancel culture" herd mentality and not cherry pick and choose.

Some Native Americans view the name as offensive as the "n" word is to black people.  This is in a different category as there has been calls to change the name since the early 90's.  Don't conflate it with the "cancel culture" of today.

[nucci]

7 hours ago, Beast said:

https://wtop.com/washington-redskins/2020/07/fedex-asks-washington-redskins-to-change-name/
 

Also, Nike has just pulled all Redskins merchandise.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898699-nike-appears-to-remove-all-washington-nfl-team-apparel-from-online-store

 

This will be interesting to see if Snyder caves in to the cancel culture.

 

Are the KC Chiefs next?

 

Atlanta Braves?

 

the list of Indian names goes on and on.

Chiefs and Braves are much different then Redskins

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, Beast said:

https://wtop.com/washington-redskins/2020/07/fedex-asks-washington-redskins-to-change-name/
 

Also, Nike has just pulled all Redskins merchandise.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898699-nike-appears-to-remove-all-washington-nfl-team-apparel-from-online-store

 

This will be interesting to see if Snyder caves in to the cancel culture.

 

Are the KC Chiefs next?

 

Atlanta Braves?

 

the list of Indian names goes on and on.

 

 

Whether names are inspired by native Americans doesn't have much to do with it. The current name refers directly to color of skin and is seen by native Americans as a disparaging reference. Chiefs and Braves not quite so much.

 

As for the news ... nothing has moved that front office in any way ... but now income is affected, in many ways. Expect change.

Edited July 3, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Madbillsfan said:

The same people who want to preserve their history also want others to get over theirs. 

 

 

Moving a statue into a museum and out of public spaces isn't asking people to get over their history. It's asking the government and the country to revere people who deserve some reverence rather than people who chose to fight for a truly abhorrent system.

 

I agree with anyone out there who thinks that political correctness has gone too far. But particularly in the case of the statues in state capitols and statues which were raised far after the Civil War and in many cases with specific racist agendas, I think people are right to call for them to be removed.

[Beast]

5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

and you miss the point entirely once again. Those Native American-derived names are not viewed as offensive. The Redskins are. BTW, the Braves’ “tomahawk chop” chant was phased out for the exact same reason that Washington is facing calls to change their name, so do a least a modicum of research before starting a thread. I know your itching to get back into this but don’t go out of your way to make yourself look ignorant. The calls to change the franchise’s name were coming before “cancel culture” really even became a thing.

 

”Redskins” derives from the term used to describe bounties put on the scalps of slain Native Americans. If you think that’s okay, then okay. 

No, I didn’t miss the point “again”.

 

Just like I said, will they go after those other teams next? It was a question. Will the cancel culture go after other teams next?

 

If you think that question is dumb you have had your head buried under a rock.

Edited July 3, 2020 by Beast

[eball]

Reminds me of the old joke about the NBA’s Washington Bullets.

 

At one time they considered changing their name because they wanted to avoid an association with gun violence.  So they were just going to be called The Bullets.

[machine gun kelly]

I have no problem Universities and State and local Govt’s taking down confederate images as it should have happened a long time ago.  What shocks me is for awhile I lived in an Eastern suburb of Tampa, called Brandon who don’t know FL that well.  There is some private citizen as you exit I-4 to start south on I-75, the largest confederate flag I’ve ever seen and it’s repulsive.  It’s not far from the Floridians on the board by the State Fairgrounds.  I just can’t believe there is not some ordinance the city council etc. to force them to take it down.  It is on a flag pole hundreds of feet high, and larger than any of the American flags in the area.

 

Makes me sick and yes, I’m Caucasian.  It is just as offensive to me as people of color.  All colors.  Anyone with any decency should be just as repulsed by not thinking All Lives Matter!

[JoPoy88]

13 minutes ago, Beast said:

No, I didn’t miss the point “again”.

 

Just like I said, will they go after those other teams next? It was a question. Will the cancel culture go after other teams next?

 

If you think that question is dumb you have had your head buried under a rock.

Lol. Yes you did miss it again, “again.” You didn’t even address any of the things I mentioned. You’re willfully ignorant. Luckily for you, that’s pretty popular nowadays. Keep fear mongering though, I’m sure you’ll get at least a few converts with this crowd.

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Lol. Yes you did miss it again, “again.” You didn’t even address any of the things I mentioned. You’re willfully ignorant. Luckily for you, that’s pretty popular nowadays. Keep fear mongering though, I’m sure you’ll get at least a few converts with this crowd.

Reading comprehension. It’s a wonderful thing.

[JoPoy88]

7 minutes ago, Beast said:

Reading comprehension. It’s a wonderful thing.

yeah try to gaslight me - I’m the one who can’t read. Hopefully your next time out is soon guy. Your act is tired. 

[Billzgobowlin]

8 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean Chiefs and Braves aren't really all that offensive I mean you can say both those things and it's fine where as Redskins is a racial slur on it's own.

I'm just curious if caucasians were called white skins or pale face would there be as much an uproar.  Doesn't bother me, not sure why its an insult

[Westside]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

.... I don't really need to have to spell out the difference between calling a team the Chiefs or the Braves vs. calling a team the Redskins, do I? ?‍♂️

Walk up to a native American and call him chief. See what happens.

[RaoulDuke79]

9 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

The Washington Native Americans?  

Nope....Washington isn't going to fly. That sonofabitch was a warmonger. 

[Virgil]

I hope Trump steps in and names them. 
 

...grabs popcorn 

[First Round Bust]

being a resident of the Wash DC area for 40 years now the best name the Wash Post came up:  Indigenous peoples of the Chesapeake Bay Watershed Region...catchy no ?

[CaptnCoke11]

What a pussified society we live in.  

[JMF2006]

10 hours ago, Beast said:

https://wtop.com/washington-redskins/2020/07/fedex-asks-washington-redskins-to-change-name/
 

Also, Nike has just pulled all Redskins merchandise.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898699-nike-appears-to-remove-all-washington-nfl-team-apparel-from-online-store

 

This will be interesting to see if Snyder caves in to the cancel culture.

 

Are the KC Chiefs next?

 

Atlanta Braves?

 

the list of Indian names goes on and on.

 

I don't see this a cancel culture....Redskin is a derogatory term for Native North Americans.

 

I think the Cleveland Indians are getting rid of Chief Whahoo as their mascot.

 

Besides as long as Snyder owns the team they should be called the Generals

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I don't see this a cancel culture....Redskin is a derogatory term for Native North Americans.

 

I think the Cleveland Indians are getting rid of Chief Whahoo as their mascot.

 

Besides as long as Snyder owns the team they should be called the Generals

I don’t disagree at all with anything you just wrote but I guarantee they go after those other Indian derived mascot names.

[aceman_16]

4 hours ago, Capco said:

 

So, if the Bills name was to be changed for this reason would you view that as consistent or cherry picking?

IF someone wanted the Redskins changed, THEN would expect them to want the Bills name changed - yes.

[JMF2006]

Just now, Beast said:

I don’t disagree at all with anything you just wrote but I guarantee they go after those other Indian derived mascot names.

 

I think Chiefs,Braves and Indians are ok there is no racial slur in those names. 

 

 

1 minute ago, aceman_16 said:

IF someone wanted the Redskins changed, THEN would expect them to want the Bills name changed - yes.

 

Why?

[aceman_16]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Some Native Americans view the name as offensive as the "n" word is to black people.  This is in a different category as there has been calls to change the name since the early 90's.  Don't conflate it with the "cancel culture" of today.

It isn't "conflating" it is being intellectually/morally consistent. What is more harmful to someone's feelings....being called a Redskin or being constantly reminded (and cheering for) someone who slaughtered "your people" (think of being the Buffalo KKKs). Remember.... I am not personally calling for changes, however, I am pointing out to be careful of what one asks for.

[JMF2006]

10 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

It isn't "conflating" it is being intellectually/morally consistent. What is more harmful to someone's feelings....being called a Redskin or being constantly reminded (and cheering for) someone who slaughtered "your people" (think of being the Buffalo KKKs). Remember.... I am not personally calling for changes, however, I am pointing out to be careful of what one asks for.

 

Buffalo Bill had Wild West Shows that featured Native North Americans in a positive way.

[SirAndrew]

30 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I don't see this a cancel culture....Redskin is a derogatory term for Native North Americans.

 

I think the Cleveland Indians are getting rid of Chief Whahoo as their mascot.

 

Besides as long as Snyder owns the team they should be called the Generals

Cancel culture and insults are two different entities. How well would it go over if the Buffalo NFL team were given the name of an ethnic slur for one of Buffalo’s numerous white ethnic groups ? 

[Big Gun]

Snyder should just threaten to move the team. They'll quickly stop their BS.

[aceman_16]

36 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Buffalo Bill had Wild West Shows that featured Native North Americans in a positive way.

Do some research....yes he paraded them out in a "positive light" in their regalia riding horses (as well as other cultures like the Spaniards and Arabs) but for his shows, he hired Native Americans to play the part of “wild Indians” whom he and his “Indian Fighters” would dramatically act-out how to defeat and kill them (for a fact check read Louis Warren's "Cody's Last Stand: Masculine Anxiety, the Custer Myth, and the Frontier of Domesticity in Buffalo Bill's Wild West" among dozens other articles/books).

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by aceman_16
grammar

[SectionC3]

10 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Nope.  The Washington Red Tails.   WWII African American pilots.   Can keep the color scheme and stylized “R”. 

I think Red Tails would be really cool.  Snyder trademarked "Bravehearts" a couple of years ago, though, so that's my bet. 

[BringBackFergy]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Moving a statue into a museum and out of public spaces isn't asking people to get over their history. It's asking the government and the country to revere people who deserve some reverence rather than people who chose to fight for a truly abhorrent system.

 

I agree with anyone out there who thinks that political correctness has gone too far. But particularly in the case of the statues in state capitols and statues which were raised far after the Civil War and in many cases with specific racist agendas, I think people are right to call for them to be removed.

I agree. And why stop with statues? Get rid of massive memorials and monuments as well. Build more casinos!!
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505474-second-tribal-leader-calls-for-removal-of-mount-rushmore-before-trump?amp

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Beast said:

Oh, I didn’t know FED EX, Nike, Coke, Pepsi and others demanded the Redskins change their name back in 1969.

 

I thought it was today this all came out.

 

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 So despite a steady call for many years by countless public and private citizens, editorials, millions of column inches in newspapers and the internet all over the world, it's only "severe pressure" when Coke and Fedex make these types of marketing moves and "demand" a name change?

[thenorthremembers]

Change the name to Sentors like the team from 1921 and be done with this.

 

Then hope PETA doesnt pressure teams with animal names.

 

Then hope victim activists dont call for the Raiders, Vikings and Bucs to change their name.

 

Seriously though should anyones opinion on this subject outside of Native American's really count?  I would imagine they are probably more concerned with the incredible poverty the US government left them in but who knows.

[RiotAct]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 So despite a steady call for many years by countless public and private citizens, editorials, millions of column inches in newspapers and the internet all over the world, it's only "severe pressure" when Coke and Fedex make these types of marketing moves and "demand" a name change?

yep!

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

yep!

lol 

[SoCal Deek]

Native Americans are being oppressed in this country? Really? Where exactly? All I see is people getting rich owning a share of your local casino. And....Good for them!

[RaoulDuke79]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 So despite a steady call for many years by countless public and private citizens, editorials, millions of column inches in newspapers and the internet all over the world, it's only "severe pressure" when Coke and Fedex make these types of marketing moves and "demand" a name change?

Its all about those dolla bills. The people complaining about about capitalism and big business should also be thanking them, because they have the clout to make the dial move.

Edited July 3, 2020 by RaoulDuke79