Augie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Now do proper kickoff returnman downing in endzone technique kthx Apparently, they knew what he meant...... Scott Norwood meant to kick the ball a little farther to the left. Anything we can do about that? . Edited May 7, 2020 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Apparently, they knew what he meant...... Which is so strange - ive seen plays where the rusher gets chop blocked into the qbs ankles get roughing the passer. He didn't MEAN to do that, so why is he penalized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I don't know why they don't just have all replay reviews happen from a replay ref like they do in the NCAA. I find it stupid that it is up to the coaches digression to decide wither or not the referees made a bad call or not. It's not a big deal now that all turnovers and scores are reviewed but it is still a pet peeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I would like to see it go to NYC or have a sky judge at the stadium in a booth with all the replays. Direct communication with the ref on the field. Absolutely not more "going under the hood". Roster spots are too valuable to continue to carry an enforcer when the whole league basically disarmed. Its like why aren't NBA offenses running through dominant centers anymore? The game evolved. This is the way they did it n replay's original incantation. After a year or two it was canned. I was at a game where the sky ref gave a team a TD which was wroooong. The ref even admitted it later. Through the first 9 weeks, PI was changed 9 times due to review. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/06/through-nine-weeks-replay-review-overturns-pi-calls-and-non-calls-nine-times/ That said, I'm glad it's gone. I'm also a big proponent of getting rid of replay altogether. Replay review adds about 15 minutes to the game and the calls are still screwed up. What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: It happened, I saw it happen multiple times. But the overall success rate was pathetically low, and I know at one point was like under 5%. Don't know where the season finished, but it was a rare overturn to say the least. I can think of more instances where the call clear as day that the challenge should 100% succeed and they still didn't over turn it. This was a hard tank by the Refs and NFL allowed it to happen. Agree entirely. The refs had no intention of overturning PI calls and decided to sabotage it from the get go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: The review process in football has gotten away from what it was always intended to be and is now like what you described above. It was only meant to overturn call which were glaringly obvious upon replay. The standard described was that the average person in a bar could see that the call was wrong. Now they're zooming in to see if any rubber pellets flew which could indicate a toe grazed the playing surface, fractions of an inch on first down replays, and fractions of a second for possession. It was meant to be a system where if with a good camera angle on the field the official can't immediately rule then call on field stands, game back on. Totally. Give the refs 30 seconds to watch it and they can only slow it down to half speed. If they can't determine it's wrong by then with that, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 RIP PIR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: RIP PIR Nice anagram! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? Yes, actually overturned an INT if I recall, Bengals/Browns game at Cleveland. Edited May 7, 2020 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Officially toast Good Riddance!!!!! Maybe if they had used it correctly it may have worked, but they made it a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Officially toast Good no call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? Did not read through three pages to see if anyone answered this. It happened in the Panthers vs Saints last year with the score tied. Original call of no PI vs New Orleans was overturned. Think the NFL was trying to send a message to New Orleans? 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? Did not read through three pages to see if anyone answered this. It happened in the Panthers vs Saints last year with the score tied. Original call of no PI vs New Orleans was overturned. Think the NFL was trying to send a message to New Orleans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Scott7975 said: The way it happened was a joke anyways. The refs hardly overturned any call and did so on purpose because they didn't want it. I agree. Just a question. How many would like to see the PI call changed to the way college does it? Or something like 15 yard penalty or if it was an obvious blatant PI to prevent a long gain or Td then apply the penalty of total yards. Reason being I really hate when a team gets all those yards on a so so PI call. It changes the game too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It is unfortunate, this rule was really succeeding in exposing corruption. Why can’t refs make the correct call when they are obviously wrong? Rules like these over time would have forced more accountability. Sad to see the NFL going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 When was it ever alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I can't say that I'm sorry to see it go. It was a poorly conceived idea to address the horrendous missed call in the Saints/Rams playoff game. They could have fixed the problem by firing the two officials who were in position to get the call right and didn't. You only need to hang a couple on Main Street to inspire the rest to do great things in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I'm not crying. You're crying. We hardly knew ye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 hours ago, KzooMike said: Yes, actually overturned an INT if I recall, Bengals/Browns game at Cleveland. Early in the year they overturned several TDs on pass interference calls- I think one was against the Jets for us- but by week 3 the officials said screw this and shut down all calls unless they saw a knife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BruceVilanch Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 I've had hermit crabs live longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? Yes in fact it helped the Bills early in the year prevent a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? There was one or two. One was done to ***** the Saints over. No question that reversal was a 'screw you' from the league. Edited May 8, 2020 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 This season, with every blatant PI not flagged, fans will explode as they watch the penalty occur on replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 16 hours ago, matter2003 said: Yes in fact it helped the Bills early in the year prevent a TD. was that not just a normal TD review? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: was that not just a normal TD review? Technically yes but they overruled the TD due to offensive PI and then basically stopped overturning things the rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Technically yes but they overruled the TD due to offensive PI and then basically stopped overturning things the rest of the year. That actually helps the refs make their point: that they can overturn stuff when they feel like without the PI video review. It was so easy for the XFL to implement a simple video booth review process. The NFL just can't get out of its own way....or doesn't want to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 I think Al Riveron should have been canned before the PI replay, but that's just me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 The only way to make it workable would be to send video to NY and have the head of officiating in a sealed room, given no context about what the situation or ruling on the field was, and give an overarching verdict of the proper call. The refs and their union HATED this rule and did everything they could to give a big middle finger to the competition committee and the fans. They want to have that control to change the course of a game with a single call, and in my heart of hearts, I believe the league gives them direction to favor some teams / players, and to keep games close so teevee ratings stay high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: This season, with every blatant PI not flagged, fans will explode as they watch the penalty occur on replay. How will that differ from the past 30 years? Edited May 9, 2020 by SinceThe70s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 It was a waste of a rule. No point in keeping around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Refs screwed fans over be refusing to change calls. The fact the NFL is taking the sides of the refs over their fanbase is ridiculous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 9 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: How will that differ from the past 30 years? Any chance for recourse will be gone. None existed for the previous 30 years. It's odd that fans would cheer the loss of any chance that an egregious ref error can be reversed. I would take an error correction rate of 19.5% (data as of end of November) over no chance at correction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Refs screwed fans over be refusing to change calls. The fact the NFL is taking the sides of the refs over their fanbase is ridiculous What do you mean? Most of the fanbase in this thread is cheering the loss of this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 57 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What do you mean? Most of the fanbase in this thread is cheering the loss of this rule. I think Kmart means All Riveron and company deliberately caused the failure of the rule by refusing to overturn obvious bad calls on the field. This perspective, which I also hold, suggests that the referees had motivation to see the challenge rule fail because it was a threat to their power. If that is the case, and the league has dumped the replay rule, it's because the league caved and the referees won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 They just need to exercise common sense. They don't need PI replay. They used common sense when they nullified the turnover on the second half Kick-Off of the Wild Card game. Screwed us out of points but watching it live I knew they had to overturn it. It does open up the can or worms though of what do you do if a guy drops the ball intentionally just before crossing the goal line? Historically that's always been a turnover. Would they now call it a TD? We know what his intentions were and that he was easily going to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: I think Kmart means All Riveron and company deliberately caused the failure of the rule by refusing to overturn obvious bad calls on the field. This perspective, which I also hold, suggests that the referees had motivation to see the challenge rule fail because it was a threat to their power. If that is the case, and the league has dumped the replay rule, it's because the league caved and the referees won. Well by most accounts fans have won too then. So I disagree that refs won out over fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Refs screwed fans over be refusing to change calls. The fact the NFL is taking the sides of the refs over their fanbase is ridiculous Yeah, cause nothing has saved us fans from being 'screwed' like replay over the last 30 years!! What is obviously missing now is offensive holding replay. Uncalled offensive holding can change an entire game. We need to review every possible hold to make sure no one is getting away with it and screwing us fans!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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