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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Now do proper kickoff returnman downing in endzone technique kthx

 

Apparently, they knew what he meant......

 

Scott Norwood meant to kick the ball a little farther to the left. Anything we can do about that? 

 

 

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I don't know why they don't just have all replay reviews happen from a replay ref like they do in the NCAA. I find it stupid that it is up to the coaches digression to decide wither or not the referees made a bad call or not. It's not a big deal now that all turnovers and scores are reviewed but it is still a pet peeve. 

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2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I would like to see it go to NYC or have a sky judge at the stadium in a booth with all the replays.  Direct communication with the ref on the field.  Absolutely not more "going under the hood".

 

Roster spots are too valuable to continue to carry an enforcer when the whole league basically disarmed.  Its like why aren't NBA offenses running through dominant centers anymore?  The game evolved.

 

This is the way they did it n replay's original incantation.  After a year or two it was canned. I was at a game where the sky ref gave  a team a TD which was wroooong.  The ref even admitted it later.

 

Through the first 9 weeks, PI was changed 9 times due to review.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/06/through-nine-weeks-replay-review-overturns-pi-calls-and-non-calls-nine-times/

 

That said, I'm glad it's gone.  I'm also a big proponent of getting rid of replay altogether.  Replay review adds about 15 minutes to the game and the calls are still screwed up.  What's the point?

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2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

 

It happened, I saw it happen multiple times.  But the overall success rate was pathetically low, and I know at one point was like under 5%.  Don't know where the season finished, but it was a rare overturn to say the least.  

 

I can think of more instances where the call clear as day that the challenge should 100% succeed and they still didn't over turn it.  This was a hard tank by the Refs and NFL allowed it to happen.  

Agree entirely. The refs had no intention of overturning PI calls and decided to sabotage it from the get go. 

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2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

The review process in football has gotten away from what it was always intended to be and is now like what you described above.  It was only meant to overturn call which were glaringly obvious upon replay.  The standard described was that the average person in a bar could see that the call was wrong. Now they're zooming in to see if any rubber pellets flew which could indicate a toe grazed the playing surface, fractions of an inch on first down replays, and fractions of a second for possession.  It was meant to be a system where if with a good camera angle on the field the official can't immediately rule then call on field stands, game back on.

 

Totally.  Give the refs 30 seconds to watch it and they can only slow it down to half speed.  If they can't determine it's wrong by then with that, move on.

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4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Did the replay ever once change the call on the field?

Yes, actually overturned an INT if I recall, Bengals/Browns game at Cleveland. 

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5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Did the replay ever once change the call on the field?

Did not read through three pages to see if anyone answered this. It happened in the Panthers vs Saints last year with the score tied. Original call of no PI vs New Orleans was overturned. Think the NFL was trying to send a message to New Orleans?

 

 

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Did the replay ever once change the call on the field?

Did not read through three pages to see if anyone answered this. It happened in the Panthers vs Saints last year with the score tied. Original call of no PI vs New Orleans was overturned. Think the NFL was trying to send a message to New Orleans?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

The way it happened was a joke anyways.  The refs hardly overturned any call and did so on purpose because they didn't want it.

I agree. Just a question. How many would like to see the PI call changed to the way college does it? Or something like 15 yard penalty or if it was an obvious blatant PI to prevent a long gain or Td then apply the penalty of total yards. Reason being I really hate when a team gets all those yards on a so so PI call. It changes the game too much. 

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It is unfortunate, this rule was really succeeding in exposing corruption. Why can’t refs make the correct call when they are obviously wrong? Rules like these over time would have forced more accountability. Sad to see the NFL going backwards. 

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I can't say that I'm sorry to see it go.  It was a poorly conceived idea to address the horrendous missed call in the Saints/Rams playoff game.  They could have fixed the problem by firing the two officials who were in position to get the call right and didn't.  You only need to hang a couple on Main Street to inspire the rest to do great things in the future.

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3 hours ago, KzooMike said:

Yes, actually overturned an INT if I recall, Bengals/Browns game at Cleveland. 

Early in the year they overturned several TDs on pass interference calls- I think one was against the Jets for us- but by week 3 the officials said screw this and shut down all calls unless they saw a knife 

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10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Did the replay ever once change the call on the field?

 

There was one or two. One was done to ***** the Saints over. No question that reversal was a 'screw you' from the league.

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29 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

was that not just a normal TD review?

Technically yes but they overruled the TD due to offensive PI and then basically stopped overturning things the rest of the year.

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11 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Technically yes but they overruled the TD due to offensive PI and then basically stopped overturning things the rest of the year.

That actually helps the refs make their point: that they can overturn stuff when they feel like without the PI video review. 

 

It was so easy for the XFL to implement a simple video booth review process. The NFL just can't get out of its own way....or doesn't want to....

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The only way to make it workable would be to send video to NY and have the head of officiating in a sealed room, given no context about what the situation or ruling on the field was, and give an overarching verdict of the proper call.

 

The refs and their union HATED this rule and did everything they could to give a big middle finger to the competition committee and the fans. They want to have that control to change the course of a game with a single call, and in my heart of hearts, I believe the league gives them direction to favor some teams / players, and to keep games close so teevee ratings stay high.

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14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

This season, with every blatant PI not flagged, fans will explode as they watch the penalty occur on replay.  

 

 

 

How will that differ from the past 30 years?

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9 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

How will that differ from the past 30 years?

 

Any chance for recourse will be gone.  None existed for the previous 30 years.  

 

It's odd that fans would cheer the loss of any chance that an egregious ref error can be reversed.

 

I would take an error correction rate of 19.5% (data as of end of November) over no chance at correction.

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4 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Refs screwed fans over be refusing to change calls. The fact the NFL is taking the sides of the refs over their fanbase is ridiculous 

 

 

What do you mean?  Most of the fanbase in this thread is cheering the loss of this rule.

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57 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

What do you mean?  Most of the fanbase in this thread is cheering the loss of this rule.

I think Kmart means All Riveron and company deliberately caused the failure of the rule by refusing to overturn obvious bad calls on the field.  This perspective, which I also hold, suggests that the referees had motivation to see the challenge rule fail because it was a threat to their power.  If that is the case, and the league has dumped the replay rule, it's because the league caved and the referees won.

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They just need to exercise common sense. They don't need PI replay. They used common sense when they nullified the turnover on the second half Kick-Off of the Wild Card game. Screwed us out of points but watching it live I knew they had to overturn it. 

 

It does open up the can or worms though of what do you do if a guy drops the ball intentionally just before crossing the goal line? Historically that's always been a turnover. Would they now call it a TD? We know what his intentions were and that he was easily going to score.

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1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I think Kmart means All Riveron and company deliberately caused the failure of the rule by refusing to overturn obvious bad calls on the field.  This perspective, which I also hold, suggests that the referees had motivation to see the challenge rule fail because it was a threat to their power.  If that is the case, and the league has dumped the replay rule, it's because the league caved and the referees won.


Well by most accounts fans have won too then.  So I disagree that refs won out over fans.

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9 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Refs screwed fans over be refusing to change calls. The fact the NFL is taking the sides of the refs over their fanbase is ridiculous 

 

Yeah, cause nothing has saved us fans from being 'screwed' like replay over the last 30 years!!

 

What is obviously missing now is offensive holding replay.   Uncalled offensive holding can change an entire game.  We need to review every possible hold to make sure no one is getting away with it and screwing us fans!!

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