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[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Darby and Kendall Fuller both bring better man coverage to the Skins. I guess that we see a shift in Rivera’s philosophy?

 

 

Jack Del Rio is in control of that defense.

[MrEpsYtown]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Jack Del Rio is in control of that defense.

I know he’s a 4-3 guy, but I thought he was more of a zone coverage guy. But 4-3 is a great move. Jon Allen, Daron Payne, Montez Sweat, Kerrigan and potentially Chase Young? That defensive line is going to be good. 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

yeah i could not remember if he moved from tackle to guard or guard to tackle. 
 

The last good right tackle we had was probably Jason Peters before he moved to left tackle. 
 

 

What’s ironic here is that Darby was traded out of Buffalo because he was not a good fit for McDermott’s “Ron Rivera” style defense where Josh Norman was the prototype. So Ron Rivera gets the job in Washington, cuts Norman, signs Darby. ?‍♂️

 

I’m guessing maybe Rivera is going more man? I wonder if he will run a 3-4 like he did in Carolina in 2019. 

Just cus McDermott and Rivera were coaches together doenst mean they run the same defense exactly

 

McDermott ran the defense when he was DC in Carolina. His scheme made Norman a star . And Darby wasn't a fit for McDermott's defense

 

Rivera has always ran more of a Tampa 2 defense while McDermott prefers a cover 4 , mixing in cover 3 and 2

 

And Rivera gonna run a 43

Edited March 29, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo_Stampede]

57 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I know he’s a 4-3 guy, but I thought he was more of a zone coverage guy. But 4-3 is a great move. Jon Allen, Daron Payne, Montez Sweat, Kerrigan and potentially Chase Young? That defensive line is going to be good. 

They both are zone guys. Darby should be OK though. He's a physical player that will come up and tackle.

[Buffalo716]

@MrEpsYtown the one thing that McDermott did take from Rivera which I really like is his less is more philosophy

 

He doesn't have a 300 page playbook. He has a scaled down playbook which plays to his teams strengths. You don't need 200 exotic schemes and blitzes if you play gap sound , technique sound football

 

McDermott's scheme is simple. Everybody do your job each play and the defense will be successful

 

Freelancing hurts the continuity and effectiveness... Which is why I think they were ok with Phillips walking

[Punching Bag]

On 3/27/2020 at 7:14 PM, BillsMafi$ said:

#Redskins TE Logan Thomas: 2 years, $6.145M ($2.25M signing bonus)
 

 

Logan Thomas quietly getting an ok contract 

 

It has taken him a while but he is becoming a good tight end.

He was not bad when he was with Bills but they did not have the development space. 

[DBilz2500]

17 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It has taken him a while but he is becoming a good tight end.

He was not bad when he was with Bills but they did not have the development space. 

16 catches for 173 yards in his 4th year as a full time TE is considered a good TE? 

[Punching Bag]

7 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said:

16 catches for 173 yards in his 4th year as a full time TE is considered a good TE? 

 

TE like WR is more than just catches.

 

And it is his third year as TE - first year was QB for Arizona and then switched positions and was not on active roster for two years.

But you probably knew that and disregarded that fact.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

40 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

TE like WR is more than just catches.

 

And it is his third year as TE - first year was QB for Arizona and then switched positions and was not on active roster for two years.

But you probably knew that and disregarded that fact.

Yep!

[Ennjay]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

It has taken him a while but he is becoming a good tight end.

He was not bad when he was with Bills but they did not have the development space. 

 

I know there's been more discussion of whether Logan Thomas is any good but I wanted to get this in:  it wasn't that long ago (3 years?) that the Bills were desperate to sign anyone who could play the game even a little because they had so many holes.  Now they don't have room to stash and develop guys that other teams actually overpay to recruit.  Hallelujah.

[stinky finger]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

Bills fans wanting to move their tackles to guard...a tradition unlike any other.

 

It's like they got Nantz in their pants. 

[DBilz2500]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

TE like WR is more than just catches.

 

And it is his third year as TE - first year was QB for Arizona and then switched positions and was not on active roster for two years.

But you probably knew that and disregarded that fact.

Okay well you can go tell yourself that Logan Thomas is some great TE. By the time he reaches average league standards he’ll ready to retire. 

[Turk71]

3 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

16 catches for 173 yards in his 4th year as a full time TE is considered a good TE? 

  Kroft has 10 catches for 107 yards in his 4th and 5th years combined (the last 2 years). He made over 8 million dollars in that time and he still has a job.

[stinky finger]

9 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I was just thinking that the other day... we seem to have a progressive line of such cases...

 

Glenn —> Dawkins —> Ford

 

 

Helluva DP combo 

[freddyjj]

3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  Kroft has 10 catches for 107 yards in his 4th and 5th years combined (the last 2 years). He made over 8 million dollars in that time and he still has a job.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

[stinky finger]

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I know he’s a 4-3 guy, but I thought he was more of a zone coverage guy. But 4-3 is a great move. Jon Allen, Daron Payne, Montez Sweat, Kerrigan and potentially Chase Young? That defensive line is going to be good. 

 

They're getting Young....and better 

[MJS]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

Bills fans wanting to move their tackles to guard...a tradition unlike any other.

So freakin true. Can't stand that talk. Fans do NOT know what they are talking about.

[purple haze]

19 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said:

Okay well you can go tell yourself that Logan Thomas is some great TE. By the time he reaches average league standards he’ll ready to retire. 

He didn't say he was great, he said he turned out good.  I would agree considering he came into the league as a QB.  Teams in the league agree he's good, if not, he wouldn't keep getting jobs.

[Rhode Island Red]

I’ll never remember what game, against what team, but I seem to remember Logan Thomas coming from absolutely nowhere at a million miles an hour to lay a block on a defender just before the goal line that absolutely exploded the guy, and sealed the deal on a long Bills TD run. Pretty sure that was his most memorable play here, and don’t remember an equivalent death blow block by any Bill before or since...

 

I know, a lot of “don’t remembers”, but am I wrong?

Edited March 30, 2020 by Rhode Island Red

[DBilz2500]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

He didn't say he was great, he said he turned out good.  I would agree considering he came into the league as a QB.  Teams in the league agree he's good, if not, he wouldn't keep getting jobs.

A lot of TEs come into the league after only playing college basketball and not even playing any college football. So to say after being in the league for 4-5 years, 3-4 as a full time TE, he’s now “good” with his best season being 173 yards receiving is just not true. He’s serviceable at best not good. 

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

You say that like it's a bad thing...

And Kroft 

 

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

  Kroft has 10 catches for 107 yards in his 4th and 5th years combined (the last 2 years). He made over 8 million dollars in that time and he still has a job.

And Kroft was injured most of the year and has a 400+ receiving season to his name. And he was overpaid 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Rhode Island Red said:

I’ll never remember what game, against what team, but I seem to remember Logan Thomas coming from absolutely nowhere at a million miles an hour to lay a block on a defender just before the goal line that absolutely exploded the guy, and sealed the deal on a long Bills TD run. Pretty sure that was his most memorable play here, and don’t remember an equivalent death blow block by any Bill before or since...

 

I know, a lot of “don’t remembers”, but am I wrong?

I don’t remember.?

[freddyjj]

7 hours ago, Rhode Island Red said:

I’ll never remember what game, against what team, but I seem to remember Logan Thomas coming from absolutely nowhere at a million miles an hour to lay a block on a defender just before the goal line that absolutely exploded the guy, and sealed the deal on a long Bills TD run. Pretty sure that was his most memorable play here, and don’t remember an equivalent death blow block by any Bill before or since...

 

I know, a lot of “don’t remembers”, but am I wrong?

Against Miami on an Ivory dump off.  Was ruled down at the one 

[Smitty75]

What you guys think about the acquisition of Daryl Williams from the Panthers ?

I’m asking the question because i’m sceptic about him, he allowed 12 sacks last year...he was a second team all pro recently but the stats that i mentioned troubled me.

 

We just have to hope that he will play at his 2018 level !

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, Smitty75 said:

What you guys think about the acquisition of Daryl Williams from the Panthers ?

I’m asking the question because i’m sceptic about him, he allowed 12 sacks last year...he was a second team all pro recently but the stats that i mentioned troubled me.

 

We just have to hope that he will play at his 2018 level !

Pretty sure late in 18 Williams had a knee injury.  The main reason why he didnt get a multi year deal last year.  Its low risk high reward if 2019 was due to him recovering from the injury.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Smitty75 said:

What you guys think about the acquisition of Daryl Williams from the Panthers ?

I’m asking the question because i’m sceptic about him, he allowed 12 sacks last year...he was a second team all pro recently but the stats that i mentioned troubled me.

 

We just have to hope that he will play at his 2018 level !

 

Last year the Panthers stuck him at LG as he returned from a season-ending knee injury. Maybe he wasnt used to going against DTs inside, or maybe he wasnt used to picking up the inside blitzes. Tough to say since Carolina's Line was a mess across the board.

 

His first few years, and his banner year in 2017, he was at RT. So we'll see.

 

I'm more skeptical about the Butler signing and the money we gave him considering he has been a complete bust for Carolina.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Last year the Panthers stuck him at LG as he returned from a season-ending knee injury. Maybe he wasnt used to going against DTs inside, or maybe he wasnt used to picking up the inside blitzes. Tough to say since Carolina's Line was a mess across the board.

 

That's the key to me.  An OG's effectiveness depends on the efficiency of the OT and C on either side of him.   

 

The Panthers were playing rookie OTs that surely struggled when thrown right into the fire.    That may have (indeed, most likely) hurt Williams play as well.     With a much more settled OL in Buffalo, playing limited snaps, he may be much more effective...

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Last year the Panthers stuck him at LG as he returned from a season-ending knee injury. Maybe he wasnt used to going against DTs inside, or maybe he wasnt used to picking up the inside blitzes. Tough to say since Carolina's Line was a mess across the board.

 

His first few years, and his banner year in 2017, he was at RT. So we'll see.

 

I'm more skeptical about the Butler signing and the money we gave him considering he has been a complete bust for Carolina.

Butler’s DL coach In Carolina (Eric Washington) is here now and I assume that they would have asked his opinion before signing Butler.  They must see upside or a better scheme fit here to entice them to bring him here.  

[YoloinOhio]

On 3/29/2020 at 3:15 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

I know he’s a 4-3 guy, but I thought he was more of a zone coverage guy. But 4-3 is a great move. Jon Allen, Daron Payne, Montez Sweat, Kerrigan and potentially Chase Young? That defensive line is going to be good. 

Del Rio runs man coverage or at least he did in Denver. A lot of pressure on the corners

Edited March 30, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Del Rio runs man coverage or at least he did in Denver. A lot of pressure on the corners

He's a fit the players to defense type of coach. He's run a lot of zone as well. Washington has good coaches, but that's never been their problem. It's the owner.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

So then $15M/year to Dawkins sounds about right (for those that thought it was too high).

[GETTOTHE50]

Is tunsil really worth that much? 

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Is tunsil really worth that much? 

 

Just like any other player, he's worth whatever the market will bear.

[MrEpsYtown]

17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So then $15M/year to Dawkins sounds about right (for those that thought it was too high).

I love Dion and I think he is going to be the first real test case for this regime. They spent some good draft capital on a very young, somewhat raw player with really good measurables. They’ve developed him and he has now become a really good left tackle. He’s turning 26 in April, so still very young and has room to grow. These guys talked about building through the draft and keeping their own. I’m interested to see where they value Dion, if they set a number or will they pay market value? 
 

I am interested to see if they are going to truly be the build and sign long term type of regime, or the let guys go and draft replacements regime like the Pats. What they do with Dion, White, and Milano will tell us a lot. 

[MiltonWaddams]

36 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I love Dion and I think he is going to be the first real test case for this regime. They spent some good draft capital on a very young, somewhat raw player with really good measurables. They’ve developed him and he has now become a really good left tackle. He’s turning 26 in April, so still very young and has room to grow. These guys talked about building through the draft and keeping their own. I’m interested to see where they value Dion, if they set a number or will they pay market value? 
 

I am interested to see if they are going to truly be the build and sign long term type of regime, or the let guys go and draft replacements regime like the Pats. What they do with Dion, White, and Milano will tell us a lot. 

Well, we can take some solace in the fact that, no matter what they do, they will have never spent as much draft capital into a left tackle as the Texans did with Tunsil. My hope is that Dion is the guy for years to come. LT is a premier position and a good one is very hard to come by.

[Motor26]

42 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I love Dion and I think he is going to be the first real test case for this regime. They spent some good draft capital on a very young, somewhat raw player with really good measurables. They’ve developed him and he has now become a really good left tackle. He’s turning 26 in April, so still very young and has room to grow. These guys talked about building through the draft and keeping their own. I’m interested to see where they value Dion, if they set a number or will they pay market value? 
 

I am interested to see if they are going to truly be the build and sign long term type of regime, or the let guys go and draft replacements regime like the Pats. What they do with Dion, White, and Milano will tell us a lot. 

If they have to make that decision, you let Milano go.

[JaCrispy]

11 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

If they have to make that decision, you let Milano go.

Yeah, he’s probably most expendable of all the guys due for new contracts...

Edited March 31, 2020 by JaCrispy

[MrEpsYtown]

32 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

If they have to make that decision, you let Milano go.

They can definitely sign all three. My point is that Beane and McDermott have done a great job of building a team with little to no long term cap commitments. Now they are going to have to sign some of their own homegrown guys to long term deals after year 4.  How they handle that situation will tell us a lot about the regime. Its like phase three. Phase 1, get rid of old regime garbage, phase 2 build and draft well, phase 3 sign your own and add. 
 

Milano will be the cheapest of the three. He is awesome for us but a 6 ft 220 pound off ball linebacker is a very scheme specific player and he would only fit a handful of teams. So I think he eventually stays. I don’t think he is that expendable because when he’s been hurt, there is a clear drop off in the defense. But to your point, he would be more replaceable than the other two. 

[Motor26]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

They can definitely sign all three. My point is that Beane and McDermott have done a great job of building a team with little to no long term cap commitments. Now they are going to have to sign some of their own homegrown guys to long term deals after year 4.  How they handle that situation will tell us a lot about the regime. Its like phase three. Phase 1, get rid of old regime garbage, phase 2 build and draft well, phase 3 sign your own and add. 
 

Milano will be the cheapest of the three. He is awesome for us but a 6 ft 220 pound off ball linebacker is a very scheme specific player and he would only fit a handful of teams. So I think he eventually stays. I don’t think he is that expendable because when he’s been hurt, there is a clear drop off in the defense. But to your point, he would be more replaceable than the other two. 

This season should tell us a lot about who is worth keeping. If they take the next step and win the division, a playoff game or 3, then obviously you do what you have to do to keep as many players around. But if they stumble, then if you’re Beane and McDermott you look at more guys as replaceable. 

[whatdrought]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Bill O’Brien really should fire Bill O’Brien before he does any more Bill O’Brien-y things.