zonabb Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Leodis McKelvin. No contest. I can't stand stupid and error-prone players he epitomizes the dumb but physically talented player that for years during the drought this team loved. Beane and McD are, thankfully, taking the smart, mature, emotionally intelligent, hard working player approach. Won't always be perfect but this league is littered with overdrafted physical freaks who could dominate in high school and college but lacked the smarts and work ethic to do it in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 10:38 PM, Gugny said: I just read the latest Sam Watkins thread. Man, I couldn't stand that lazy piece of crap. But my least favorite Bill of all time, hands down, is Doug Flutie. Why? He was a me-first, selfish player and a horrible teammate who divided the locker room. A pompous, arrogant ass who had minimal talent. People thought he was "a winner." He was not a winner. He was a QB with a top 3 defense who underperformed on offense, which led to the Bills doing nothing during his tenure. Who is YOUR least favorite Bill and why do you feel that way? Do we really need a new Flutie vs Johnson thread. And on Super Bowl eve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Reks Ryan said: Do we really need a new Flutie vs Johnson thread. And on Super Bowl eve? That's not what this thread is and it was created three days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 12 hours ago, RyanC883 said: I'm going w/ the guy on your avatar, Maybin. Total bust, seemed to have a bad attitude. That said, he should NEVER have been taken at 11. The avatar is an old joke I never changed. I made this selection after the Bills took Josh Allen. Its still TBD but I will make it whoever we pick this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Nathan Peterman, Jeff Tuel, Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, and every other garbage QB that for some reason Bills fans fall in love with. The amount of brain cells I've lost debating about useless QBs...Arguing with fools makes me the biggest fool I guess. 8 hours ago, Agent 91 said: The avatar is an old joke I never changed. I made this selection after the Bills took Josh Allen. Its still TBD but I will make it whoever we pick this year. Maybin was so bad...Totally forgot about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Willis McGahee and Aaron Maybin. Neither guy wanted to be here and didn't bother hiding it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) On 1/29/2020 at 10:38 PM, Gugny said: I just read the latest Sam Watkins thread. Man, I couldn't stand that lazy piece of crap. But my least favorite Bill of all time, hands down, is Doug Flutie. Why? He was a me-first, selfish player and a horrible teammate who divided the locker room. A pompous, arrogant ass who had minimal talent. People thought he was "a winner." He was not a winner. He was a QB with a top 3 defense who underperformed on offense, which led to the Bills doing nothing during his tenure. Who is YOUR least favorite Bill and why do you feel that way? Ding ding ding. We have a winner. If we won, it always was "I" or "me" and, if we lost, it always was "we" or "us." If you ever meet a Buffalo Bill from that era, ask them what they thought of him. Never has a QB gotten so much credit for a great defense. His sycophants always seemed to think that we played with 11 little Fluties on offense and 11 little Fluties on defense when we won. To put the icing on the cake, he is friends with the guy who wanted to move the Bills to Toronto. His minions always seem to forget how this playoff game ended. Edited February 2, 2020 by Peter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Has anyone said Bill Belichick yet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 3:11 PM, elroy16 said: I always had a soft spot for Trent. I just started really paying attention and watching the Bills around then. My first Bills game was Bills at Washington when he dropped a beautiful pass to Josh Reed to put them in FG position to win the game. I thought we were set. I was so young and foolish. Peters' hold out pissed me off, so he's up there. I liked Lynch, but then he kept being a dumbass. I really liked Dareus and thought he was going to be a stud, then he kept fu'king up. Robert Royal is up there cause he sucked, his inability to keep his foot in bounds for a TD that one time sealed it. I liked Leodis, but that GD fumble against NE will forever piss me off. I remember that pass to Josh Reed and had the same reaction to it. Looked for a video of it a few years back but came up empty. Was an amazing throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 21 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Mario Williams was a 1st team all-pro as a Bill and averaged 11 sacks a year. It’s not his fault Rex thought he should drop into coverage. Mario Williams was pretty great for us, until his last season. Honestly, though ultimately they didn't win anything while he was in Buffalo, I consider that signing as one of the rare times we have "overpayed" for a player, and he met expectations. During his final season, I was positive his lack of production was the result of Ryans poor coaching...lie he was wasted. The fact that he did nothing the next season, in Miami, now makes me think he just got old. Can't hold that against him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 5:04 PM, Fixxxer said: Drew Bledsoe, the Patriots couldn't wait to get rid of him and Donahoe couldn't wait to overpay for him. Didn;t work out well, in the end, but I swear, his first 8 games as a Bill may be the best stretch of QB play we have ever seen by a Bills QB in the last 45 years or....even counting Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buftex said: Didn;t work out well, in the end, but I swear, his first 8 games as a Bill may be the best stretch of QB play we have ever seen by a Bills QB in the last 45 years or....even counting Kelly. I agree. The crazy part is if you exclude those 1st 8 games he was no better than EJ, Losman, Edwards, et al. After those first 8 games Bledsoe’s record was 18-22. He completed 702-1,213 for a 57.9% completion percentage. He threw 39 TDs and 38 INTs. Bledsoe was sacked 110 times in 40 games!!! He also lost 19 fumbles in those same 40 games!! He had 4 rushing TDs in that window. So to recap he had 43 total TDs and 57 turnovers!!!! That is an atrocious 2.5 years!!! He was NOT even an acceptable player after the first 8 games yet some people remember him as a star. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I agree. The crazy part is if you exclude those 1st 8 games he was no better than EJ, Losman, Edwards, et al. After those first 8 games Bledsoe’s record was 18-22. He completed 702-1,213 for a 57.9% completion percentage. He threw 39 TDs and 38 INTs. Bledsoe was sacked 110 times in 40 games!!! He also lost 19 fumbles in those same 40 games!! He had 4 rushing TDs in that window. So to recap he had 43 total TDs and 57 turnovers!!!! That is an atrocious 2.5 years!!! He was NOT even an acceptable player after the first 8 games yet some people remember him as a star. It was a dramatic descent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Buftex said: It was a dramatic descent. It really was. That’s why I shake my head when people try to argue him being the best Bills QB since Kelly. He was actually TERRIBLE aside from 8 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: It really was. That’s why I shake my head when people try to argue him being the best Bills QB since Kelly. He was actually TERRIBLE aside from 8 games. In his prime he was really good, but yes, we definitely got him at the end. He had a great arm, and made some amazing plays with just his arm...but he would have needed the 90's Cowboys O-line to be effective once he hit the wall. He didn't fare well with Dallas after his time with us. Those first 8 games though...he really was spectacular. That OT win over the Vikings was maybe the best passing performance I ever saw for a Bills QB, other than, maybe Fergy going for 450 in Miami 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Billy Joe Hobert - embarrassingly admitted that he hadn’t bothered to study the plays for the game after he came off the bench to play (and he played terribly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Elite Poster said: Nathan Peterman, Jeff Tuel, Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, and every other garbage QB that for some reason Bills fans fall in love with. The amount of brain cells I've lost debating about useless QBs...Arguing with fools makes me the biggest fool I guess. Maybin was so bad...Totally forgot about him. We have had so much garbage. We havent had 1 good one in decades. Fitz and Tyrod were the best and... well you know how that goes. I just never understood what fans were trying to see in Trent. I literally would get pissed in conversations about how good he was before "the hit". He was garbage before, and scared garbage after. Forget 300 yards, 200 was enough for us to celebrate him. Nauseating to say the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Tyrod Taylor. Trashbag full of excuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It really was. That’s why I shake my head when people try to argue him being the best Bills QB since Kelly. He was actually TERRIBLE aside from 8 games. But as you pointed out all the other QBs were terrible too. No argument after first 8 games he was awful but you have to include those games when you compare him to all the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Billy joe Hobart, I was happy he got his leg broken! Dumb hic didn't read the playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Rob Johnson, Mark Kelso, Whitner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 3:48 PM, jwhit34 said: Players: Tom Cousineau Kelvin Benjamin Coaches: John Rauch (OJ a decoy?) Chuck Dickerson Front Office: Russ Brandon Stew Barber Coaches: Hank Bullough Rex "the genius" Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 John Fina. Worst starting left tackle in the league yet started multiple seasons. Aaron Schobel. Grossly overrated by....everyone. Terrible against the run and was overwhelmed by good-great OTs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Aaron Schobel. Grossly overrated by....everyone. Terrible against the run and was overwhelmed by good-great OTs. Totally agree with and completely forgot about Fina, but man I loved Schobel. I get it, I think he was bit overrated and put up a lot of garbage time stats but he worked hard for a lot of bad teams. How could you rate him lower than Kelsay, though? Edited February 3, 2020 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Aaron Schobel. Grossly overrated by....everyone. Terrible against the run and was overwhelmed by good-great OTs. This seriously must be a joke. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: This seriously must be a joke. Nothing like hating the man that works hard and does his best, right. Lifelong Bill...??♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Codyny13 said: Nothing like hating the man that works hard and does his best, right. Lifelong Bill...??♂️ He belongs on the Wall of Fame. WAY more than Cookie G. He was an awesome Bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Gugny said: He belongs on the Wall of Fame. WAY more than Cookie G. He was an awesome Bill. Back when the bills website board was still going morons would constantly bring up the “garbage time” sack and Aaron schobel. I actually took the time to go over his sacks over a strong 3 year period he had.... if my memory serves me correctly, something like 70% of his sacks were had when it was still a one score game or we had a lead. It was a completely bogus argument people seemed to want to use against him. 7 hours ago, Nelius said: Totally agree with and completely forgot about Fina, but man I loved Schobel. I get it, I think he was bit overrated and put up a lot of garbage time stats but he worked hard for a lot of bad teams. How could you rate him lower than Kelsay, though? Go ahead and look at the post right above this one. the garbage time sack was a complete myth. I took the time at one point to disprove it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Gugny said: This seriously must be a joke. Nope. 8 years. 2 good seasons. On some horrible teams. Started for some awful defenses. Just always thought he was average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Rob Johnson, Willis McGahee, Tom Cousineau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Nelius said: Totally agree with and completely forgot about Fina, but man I loved Schobel. I get it, I think he was bit overrated and put up a lot of garbage time stats but he worked hard for a lot of bad teams. How could you rate him lower than Kelsay, though? I just didn't have the expectations for Kelsay that I did Schobel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: John Fina. Worst starting left tackle in the league yet started multiple seasons. Aaron Schobel. Grossly overrated by....everyone. Terrible against the run and was overwhelmed by good-great OTs. wrong on both counts. Both were solid starters in this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Maybin hands down. It was already bad enough that a few better players had fallen to us when he was picked instead. On top of being worse than many 7th rounder and UDFA's on a given year he felt the need to hold out longer than anyone the year that he was drafted. Next to Jamarcus Russell, probably was a big reason why rookie contracts were changed up a few years back. As a player, Did not try, his career never even came close to the level of a replacement level rotation player, let alone that star that people expect from a top 10 pick. After his stint with the Bills, goes on the Jets and is used by Rex Ryan as a way to taunt the bills by getting a few garbage time sacks. After his career, trashes football in general and has nothing but negative to say about the Bills. Just about every other Bill on this thread either was not on the team long term or at some point has a redeeming quality or legitimate reason for disappointing play. Not Maybin, bad on all levels. Edited February 3, 2020 by dgrochester55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: But as you pointed out all the other QBs were terrible too. No argument after first 8 games he was awful but you have to include those games when you compare him to all the others. Even still he was 23-25, 59.1% completion, 59 total TDs, 62 total turnovers, sacked 140 times, and averaged 214.3 yards a game. He was a bad player here. By comparison Tyrod (who was decent): 23-20, 62.6% completion, 65 total TDs, 21 total turnovers, sacked 124 times, 237.1 total yards a game I don’t mean dwell on it but there has always been a lot of debate on here as to who was the best QB since Kelly. Often times people mention Bledsoe. He isn’t in the conversation. They remember those first 8 games but forget how bad he really was for the majority of his time in a Bills uniform. An argument can be made for Flutie, Tyrod or Fitz but not Bledsoe (I’m not including Josh even though he may already be the answer). That’s why he’s on my least favorite list. He’s the most overrated player that the Bills have had. Edited February 3, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 11:23 AM, Coach Tuesday said: I remember that pass to Josh Reed and had the same reaction to it. Looked for a video of it a few years back but came up empty. Was an amazing throw. 2:50 mark. After the game my friends and I got lost on the way back to the metro, then my friend's metro card got eaten by the machineat the end of the trip so he jumped the turnstile so a cop stopped us. Since he was drunk, he started getting snippy with the cop, thankfully he let us go. That was a long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 8:06 AM, SoTier said: My least favorite Bill of all time is Russ Brandon. I'll excuse Wilson for hiring him because Wilson was an old guy who couldn't adapt to modern NFL, and probably believed that Brandon's bill of goods was viable. Since Brandon also convinced the much younger and competent Terry Pegula to not only keep him on but promote him, speaks to exactly how persuasive Brandon was. Until he was fired for lying to the Pegulas about his sexual harassing of a Sabres employee, he gave Bills fans 12+ years of misery -- and his influence may still permeate the Bills organization. Brandon controlled the Bills from 2006 through 2018. During the 12 full years that Brandon "reigned", the Bills had 2 winning seasons -- 2014 and 2017. They made the playoffs once in 2017. They won 83 games over 12 seasons -- an average of less than 7 games a season. Brandon hired my most hated Bills HC of all time, Dick Jauron. Brandon blatantly manipulated the fan base with big $$$ FA signings that masked the reality that the teams he and his minions were filled with bottom feeder players. Bringing in Terrell Owens in 2009 was the most egregious example. I think the Bills sold 55k+ season tickets because of that signing. My biggest concern about Beane as the Bills GM is that since he was hired when Brandon controlled the Bills that he shares Brandon's "money ball" philosophy. Hopefully, winning football games rather than making more profits means more to Pegula and Beane than it did to Wilson and Brandon. I completely agree. His dream is/was to be a baseball GM, but got his break in the NFL and tried to learn how to do that. Ralph Wilson loved Brandon and gave him every opportunity. This shielded the Bills from attracting (or attempting to attract) and coach or executive with clout and credibility. He thought he would be sent packing with new ownership, even had his buddy float that the Raiders were interested in him... but somehow, the Pegulas decided to keep Brandon around. The guy was human poison for a football organization. Notice how all those organizational leaks and fighting stopped once he was gone? The McDermott hire spelled the end of that. McDermott was purely a Pegula hire, and essentially succeeded in walling Russ Brandon out of the football department. Pegula was fully vested in McDermott, and it resulted in Beane being hand-selected by McDermott as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I'm going with Hank Bullough. (sorry for the spelling, Hank) The players hated him. Plus, that was the time when the Bills started assembling guys from the Super Bowl years, Bruce, Kelly, Reed,Tasker, and several more, and we were still loosing games. He sucked so bad the players didn't want to play for him. The worst, the absolute worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 3:40 PM, rockpile said: Place kicker Booth Lusteg. Took on his brother's identity when applying for a spot in Buffalo to replace an injured Pete Gogolak, so he became (on paper) four years younger and a Boston College graduate. Was a 50% FG kicker in 1966. Missed a gimme field goal against San Diego, so the game ended a tie. Fans waited for him outside the Rockpile and kicked his ass after that game! I was at that game, but not one of the thugs. Thanks for the history, rockpile. I didn't that about Booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Rex Ryan and his pregnant brother Rob. Clowns shouldn't be allowed to coach football teams. Edited February 4, 2020 by Artful Dodger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 hours ago, RevWarRifleman said: I'm going with Hank Bullough. (sorry for the spelling, Hank) The players hated him. Plus, that was the time when the Bills started assembling guys from the Super Bowl years, Bruce, Kelly, Reed,Tasker, and several more, and we were still loosing games. He sucked so bad the players didn't want to play for him. The worst, the absolute worst. IIRC, there was a near mutiny among the Bills vets due to Bullough's methods, but I don't remember the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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