Who Is Your Least Favorite Bill of All Time ... and Why?

[GoBills808]

Justin Rogers

[Alphadawg7]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I agree Tyrod's contract was handled better. I don't agree HE was better. He just benefited from a better defense. 

 

Not that it matters, neither were good enough...but, I would argue the stats and facts seem to support Tyrod having the better tenure as a Bills QB than Fitz.  Under TT, he led the Bills to the 2nd highest scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the Bills first 3 SB years.  We scored more points and he had way less turnovers.  He also was at the helm of a winning season and a playoff birth, to go along with 2 Pro Bowl appearances.  They were polar opposites as QB's, but TT led offenses scored more points and won more games.  

 

End of day, neither were a good answer to the Bills QB issues...but I think its pretty clear to say TT had a better tenure here than FitzCrapTrick did.  Fitz I will say has had a better career so far given he's managed to keep finding ways to start as a journeyman around the league where TT thus far has been bench fodder since leaving B-lo.  

[LB48]

9 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

First: Kelvin Benjamin. Guy had all the physical tools and was a legit #1 at one point and refused to do any work to even stay in shape.  How could you throw away $20M plus in career earnings by not even going to the gym.  
 

Second: Croom.  Makes mistakes all the time which are totally unforgivable because his ceiling is so low.  Knox drops are easier to take with the ceiling factor. 
 

Third: Jeff Wright and Mark Kelso. Not that they were horrible players, just that a pro bowler in one of these slots would have brought home a Lombardi. 

I so agree about Kelso & Wright.  With a semi-stud nose tackle we might have won a couple of Super Bowls.  Kelso was Levy's boy and shouldn't even have been starting in the NFL.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not that it matters, neither were good enough...but, I would argue the stats and facts seem to support Tyrod having the better tenure as a Bills QB than Fitz.  Under TT, he led the Bills to the 2nd highest scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the Bills first 3 SB years.  We scored more points and he had way less turnovers.  He also was at the helm of a winning season and a playoff birth, to go along with 2 Pro Bowl appearances.  They were polar opposites as QB's, but TT led offenses scored more points and won more games.  

 

End of day, neither were a good answer to the Bills QB issues...but I think its pretty clear to say TT had a better tenure here than FitzCrapTrick did.  Fitz I will say has had a better career so far given he's managed to keep finding ways to start as a journeyman around the league where TT thus far has been bench fodder since leaving B-lo.  

 

I disagree. I think Tyrod only looks better here as a result of what was around him. Yes he turned it over less than Fitz but in doing so he missed dozens of plays almost weekly that were there to be made. TT was a pro bowl alternate for reasons I never understood. I am still firmly in give Fitz the defenses and offensive playmakers Tyrod had and he easily wins 10 or 11 games. 

 

I do agree ultimately neither were good enough. But Fitz > Tyrod. And twice on Sundays. You wouldn't win a Superbowl with Tyrod if you played 100 seasons. With Fitz in 100 years you might get 1 lightening in a bottle. I was never a Fitz homer but I'd take him over Tyrod every time.

[Kirby Jackson]

57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I agree Tyrod's contract was handled better. I don't agree HE was better. He just benefited from a better defense. 

 

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not that it matters, neither were good enough...but, I would argue the stats and facts seem to support Tyrod having the better tenure as a Bills QB than Fitz.  Under TT, he led the Bills to the 2nd highest scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the Bills first 3 SB years.  We scored more points and he had way less turnovers.  He also was at the helm of a winning season and a playoff birth, to go along with 2 Pro Bowl appearances.  They were polar opposites as QB's, but TT led offenses scored more points and won more games.  

 

End of day, neither were a good answer to the Bills QB issues...but I think its pretty clear to say TT had a better tenure here than FitzCrapTrick did.  Fitz I will say has had a better career so far given he's managed to keep finding ways to start as a journeyman around the league where TT thus far has been bench fodder since leaving B-lo.  

I can go either way on this debate. I tend to lean TT but see both sides. It was always odd to me that the were so hated when they were here. They were the only functioning QBs we ran out in a 15 year period. If you want to hate on guys, hate on Losman, Edwards, EJ, Peterman, Brohm, Tuel, et al. 

[Nick the Greek]

Jason Peters. The way the guy held out after we molded him into a O-lineman. He was a jerk. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I can go either way on this debate. I tend to lean TT but see both sides. It was always odd to me that the were so hated when they were here. They were the only functioning QBs we ran out in a 15 year period. If you want to hate on guys, hate on Losman, Edwards, EJ, Peterman, Brohm, Tuel, et al. 

 

I think the point was they were less contentious. I never hated on Tyrod. I thought he was doing his best. I just never felt there was even 0.01% chance he was good enough. I didn't love or hate either. 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the point was they were less contentious. I never hated on Tyrod. I thought he was doing his best. I just never felt there was even 0.01% chance he was good enough. I didn't love or hate either. 

I feel like Tyrod and Fitz took more heat than the other guys mentioned. It’s weird because they were way better than those guys. Now maybe it’s because they were low end starters but that’s still better than mid level to low level backups.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I feel like Tyrod and Fitz took more heat than the other guys mentioned. It’s weird because they were way better than those guys. Now maybe it’s because they were low end starters but that’s still better than mid level to low level backups.

 

Agree. But I think most people knew the other guys stunk. 

[Tcali]

Ralph.-Its his fault that the Bills have been an awful franchise for 60 years.

Only Mike brown,Little Danny Snyder,and whoever owns the Lions were worse owners. Absolutely zero football sense.

[bopper2]

Ronnie Harmon. The Bickering Bills ceased being the Bickering Bills after he left. Coincidence? I think not. There were rumors that he was splitting the team along racial lines. One story had him passing a football around for players to sign, but not Andre Reed,  because he was mixed race.

The drop in the end zone vs. the Browns only adds to the venom.

[Tcali]

4 minutes ago, bopper2 said:

Ronnie Harmon. The Bickering Bills ceased being the Bickering Bills after he left. Coincidence? I think not. There were rumors that he was splitting the team along racial lines. One story had him passing a football around for players to sign, but not Andre Reed,  because he was mixed race.

The drop in the end zone vs. the Browns only adds to the venom.

i dont think that was such a brutal 'drop' it was in tight quarters and was over his head.Kinda went through his hands.Woulda been a good catch.Not like it landed in his lap.Of course its been a few yrs but i dont remember it being a full on drop.

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Tcali said:

i dont think that was such a brutal 'drop' it was in tight quarters and was over his head.Kinda went through his hands.Woulda been a good catch.Not like it landed in his lap.Of course its been a few yrs but i dont remember it being a full on drop.

 

you 100% absolve THIS???

 

 

[row_33]

what fan could possibly come up with a tougher situation to make a clutch catch,  poor Ronnie Harmon.

 

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by row_33

[JDubya76]

Phil Housley. I know he didn’t play football but I just hated him so much.

 

for me, Jarius Byrd and Ronnie Harmon

 

Also, The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

Edited February 1, 2020 by JDubya76

[muppy]

I dislike any player that gets traded and then has the gall to badmouth Buffalo. There have been several. The ones that come to mind are McGahee, Skittles,  Gilmore and now Sammy Watkins, Takes a lot of nerve to be given an NFL shot and then talk smack out the door makes me lose respect.

[BidsJr]

3 hours ago, bopper2 said:

Ronnie Harmon. The Bickering Bills ceased being the Bickering Bills after he left. Coincidence? I think not. There were rumors that he was splitting the team along racial lines. One story had him passing a football around for players to sign, but not Andre Reed,  because he was mixed race.

The drop in the end zone vs. the Browns only adds to the venom.

 

LOLOLOL at Ronnie Harmon and everyone who defends him.  His cheating began long before his tenure with the Bills.  I am an Iowa Hawkeye and his gambling issues started well before he was a Bill.  I just happened to get shafted on both teams he played for.

[The Frankish Reich]

Great question.

OK, here's my principles for who gets to be considered:

(1) tenure as a Bill has too be long enough to build up a reservoir of ill will. Otherwise we could just say "Vontae Davis" (some have) and "Percy Harvin" and be done with it. I say it should be a guy who played more than one season in a Bills uniform.

(2) has to be a player that makes enough money to truly earn our disdain. So notoriously bad kick return specialists or lower paid backup QBs shouldn't really count. But I'll make an exception for truly horrid performers; let's call it the "Marangi Rule."

(3) it really has to be someone who stood out for being (a) out of shape/lazy or (b) an arrogant jerk with respect to fans and teammates. Not just some Erik Pears or Vlad Ducasse, who just sucked but who (to my memory) were never this type of guy. But the Marangi Rule applies here too.

So ... that leaves me with:

- Mario Williams. He played hard and well for half of his time here (well, maybe a third). But the huge, huge salary and lackluster effort overcomes the positive moments.

- Ronnie Harmon. Scores so high on 3(b) that it obliterates the good things he did.

- Aaron Maybin. Same as Harmon but high (literally) on the lazy side.

- Fumblin' Wayne Patrick. OK, that's a blast from the past. But he was my first ever least favorite Bill. A fullback who couldn't seem to hang onto the ball, yet stuck with the Bills for 5 full seasons. Jim Braxton finally came along to put him out of his misery.

- And, of course ... Gary Marangi

Edited February 1, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[HalftimeAdjustment]

My least favorite Bill of all time?

 

Belichick.

 

Parcells 2nd.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

On 1/30/2020 at 4:57 AM, FireChans said:

Their games couldn’t be more different. Or their sizes. Or anything, really.

 

Cole is 5’8. Hogan is 5 inches taller. Cole is a slot player. Hogan almost exclusively plays the boundary.

Both are white as the OP indicates while simultaneously implying that a black WR just has to drop his Johnson on the field and that will get results (Nothing to see here) 

Edited February 1, 2020 by KzooMike

[Nelius]

McGahee. I remember seeing red when he left and trashed the Bills after really being a disappointment for a good chunk of time that he was here. And then he had that terrible Jim Rome interview and was just kind of an awkward dude in general. People have trashed Lynch in this thread for seemingly not liking Buffalo but McGahee provided the blueprint. And he was less charismatic. And intelligent. And good. Just a total bum.

[The Jokeman]

10 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Did flutie hit on your girl friend or something? You got an unhealthy emotion working there buddy ?

maybe you shouldn’t hold back, just let out all that hate and tell us how you really feel... ?

https://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/

[plenzmd1]

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Justin Rogers

No need to be hatin on a Spider!

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

https://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/

Over blown op/ed piece, with the tailings of truth scattered about, imo.

 

It’s fun to debate this with all its ins and outs, but it really is nothing to get up about, after all it’s just a bunch of guys opinions getting thrown around. Those that still hold a grudge? Oh well for them. You have your opinion and I respect that, and do not think worse of you for holding it. 

 

Not quite time for beer ? but it’s 5:00 ? somewhere ??

 

Go Bills!!!

[NewEra]

based on play Ken Irvin or chris Watson.  
 

based on looking at the guy and just not liking him, Flukie

[stinky finger]

On 1/29/2020 at 10:43 PM, JoPoy88 said:

Incognito

 

No need to be coy. C’mon. Tell us.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Surprised there is no mention of the killer or the cocaine trafficking deadbeat dad. 

 

i guess as a Bill while a Bill on the field, no one pissed me off more than lil Dougie.  Off the field Maybin talked like a hofer that didn’t sniff the field 

 

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Surprised there is no mention of the killer or the cocaine trafficking deadbeat dad. 

 

i guess as a Bill while a Bill on the field, no one pissed me off more than lil Dougie.  Off the field Maybin talked like a hofer that didn’t sniff the field 

 

 

 

How about when Sam Watkins demanded at least 10 targets/game .... before a game during which he was watching from the sideline in civilian clothes?  That guy.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

How about when Sam Watkins demanded at least 10 targets/game .... before a game during which he was watching from the sideline in civilian clothes?  That guy.

yeah he is a tool for sure. Sam-Me

[Steve O]

On 1/30/2020 at 6:57 AM, Cripple Creek said:

Long snapper.

 

All

Of

Them

No love for Adam Linger? 

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, Steve O said:

No love for Adam Linger? 

 

Garrison Sanborn is THE MAN.

[RyanC883]

On 1/29/2020 at 11:24 PM, Agent 91 said:

Probably Trent Edward's. Nothing he really did more so I never saw anything out of him. He was vanilla and just constantly checked the ball down. He had no promise of  putting  the team on his back but Buffalo loved him

 

I'm going w/ the guy on your avatar, Maybin.  Total bust, seemed to have a bad attitude.  That said, he should NEVER have been taken at 11.  

[Kirby Jackson]

13 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Great question.

OK, here's my principles for who gets to be considered:

(1) tenure as a Bill has too be long enough to build up a reservoir of ill will. Otherwise we could just say "Vontae Davis" (some have) and "Percy Harvin" and be done with it. I say it should be a guy who played more than one season in a Bills uniform.

(2) has to be a player that makes enough money to truly earn our disdain. So notoriously bad kick return specialists or lower paid backup QBs shouldn't really count. But I'll make an exception for truly horrid performers; let's call it the "Marangi Rule."

(3) it really has to be someone who stood out for being (a) out of shape/lazy or (b) an arrogant jerk with respect to fans and teammates. Not just some Erik Pears or Vlad Ducasse, who just sucked but who (to my memory) were never this type of guy. But the Marangi Rule applies here too.

So ... that leaves me with:

- Mario Williams. He played hard and well for half of his time here (well, maybe a third). But the huge, huge salary and lackluster effort overcomes the positive moments.

- Ronnie Harmon. Scores so high on 3(b) that it obliterates the good things he did.

- Aaron Maybin. Same as Harmon but high (literally) on the lazy side.

- Fumblin' Wayne Patrick. OK, that's a blast from the past. But he was my first ever least favorite Bill. A fullback who couldn't seem to hang onto the ball, yet stuck with the Bills for 5 full seasons. Jim Braxton finally came along to put him out of his misery.

- And, of course ... Gary Marangi

Mario Williams was a 1st team all-pro as a Bill and averaged 11 sacks a year. It’s not his fault Rex thought he should drop into coverage.

[Punching Bag]

Gary Anderson - he deliberately tanked preseason to be cut.

Friend who was involved with Steelers at time said there were communications with him prior to being cut by Bills.

[Da webster guy]

On 1/30/2020 at 3:00 PM, billsfan89 said:

 

That's on the Bills management for not seeing through him and taking Orakpo. Maybin tried hard when he was here (Or at least that's how I remember it), he just wasn't a good enough athlete to make it work in the NFL. I don't hate players that try hard but just end up sucking. You give your best effort and act like a professional is all I ask from anyone on the Bills. It is lazy players that I hate as a fan. I think Mike Williams strikes me as a player who will always piss me off. 

Yeah I see your point, he wasn't a lazy guy and that's probably worse than anything, but I still think its screwing a team over when you misrepresent yourself w steroids.

I would probably have done the same thing he did, but I still hate him for it.  We really needed a good edge guy, it hurt our team.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

Yeah I see your point, he wasn't a lazy guy and that's probably worse than anything, but I still think its screwing a team over when you misrepresent yourself w steroids.

I would probably have done the same thing he did, but I still hate him for it.  We really needed a good edge guy, it hurt our team.

Maybin was definitely a "good enough athlete." What he wasn't is a guy who's willing to do whatever it takes -- including the stuff that probably ruins your body longterm -- to succeed. I can't say for sure what I'd have done in the same scenario.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

On 1/29/2020 at 10:40 PM, BuffAlone said:

Rob Johnson.

 

 

[Steve O]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Gary Anderson - he deliberately tanked preseason to be cut.

Friend who was involved with Steelers at time said there were communications with him prior to being cut by Bills.

I'd forgotten about this but yeah, now that you mention it he's at the head of the class 

[klos63]

Kiko

[Bills!Win!]

Chris Watson. It seemed like he caught punts for 5 years.