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9 hours ago, LB48 said:

I didn't think Sammy ever wanted to be here in the 1st place.

Probably not and I hope that some apologists can now admit that he was an absolutely terrible draft choice, tons of talent notwithstanding. He cost us 2 first round picks and a 4th (for good measure I suppose), this on a team with huge problems at quarterback.

 

To this day we hear about what a great "evaluator of talent" Whaley was. I was 100% against that trade and even I recognized how extremely talented Sammy is. It wasn't hard, but we gave away the store for him. Sammy was a flat out stupid draft pick/trade for the Bills and Whaley's time in Buffalo was marked by a lack of discipline and tossing away important draft picks.

 

McBeane may have their issues mind you but I prefer them tenfold over Whaley.

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14 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

 

I haven't recalled Shady saying anything negative, aside from mentioning that he wanted the FO to be more honest, which none of us necessarily disagree with - seems less critical and more straightforward from my point of view. He expanded upon his talk about the bills by giving the community and fanbase glowing compliments from what I read earlier

 

 

seperate agenda's

 

BILL"S....in a position where they are weighing moving on from shady. bringing in other backs who are cutting in on his touches. looking at that salary cap number. meanwhile, talking him up in public, saying he's our guy, blah, blah,  so as to keep his trade value higher....this happens all the time all over league.....until boom, player is cut or traded.

 

SHADY....old school stand up guy. he and his agent were probably tipped off there could be a trade. drags out, nothing happening.....he doesnt like being in limbo. the writing is on the wall and he is anxious to continue his career somewhere.....gets frustrated waiting. prefers to become a free agent.  resentment grows over disingenuous public comments...hence the honesty jab

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4 minutes ago, papazoid said:

SHADY....old school stand up guy. 

 

 

That is easily the most incorrect thing I've read in this thread.

 

Shady is all about the money............and once he gets it in his pocket his memory gets real short.

 

He literally got his wish of getting to choose a SB contending team but he unnecessarily brings up the FO in Buffalo for one reason...........the $2M difference between his base salary in Buffalo and KC.    

 

A difference that McBeane made up for with the bonus they gave him in 2017.

 

Dude actually came out of that 5 year contract PAID IN FULL........which a stand up guy would be grateful for considering his disappointing production in 4 of those 5 years.

 

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11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That is easily the most incorrect thing I've read in this thread.

 

Shady is all about the money............and once he gets it in his pocket his memory gets real short.

 

He literally got his wish of getting to choose a SB contending team but he unnecessarily brings up the FO in Buffalo for one reason...........the $2M difference between his base salary in Buffalo and KC.    

 

A difference that McBeane made up for with the bonus they gave him in 2017.

 

Dude actually came out of that 5 year contract PAID IN FULL........which a stand up guy would be grateful for considering his disappointing production in 4 of those 5 years.

 

I wouldn't call his 2017 season "disappointing" at all. He was a good receiver that year - 59 catches for 448 yards (7.6 ypr) and had 1600 yards total yards from scrimmage. Indeed, he was 4th in the league in yards from scrimmage! Sure, his ypc was down, but a ton of that had to do with the fact that the Bills had ZERO decent WRs and arguably their worst ' OC of the modern era calling plays. 

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31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That is easily the most incorrect thing I've read in this thread.

 

Shady is all about the money............and once he gets it in his pocket his memory gets real short.

 

He literally got his wish of getting to choose a SB contending team but he unnecessarily brings up the FO in Buffalo for one reason...........the $2M difference between his base salary in Buffalo and KC.    

 

A difference that McBeane made up for with the bonus they gave him in 2017.

 

Dude actually came out of that 5 year contract PAID IN FULL........which a stand up guy would be grateful for considering his disappointing production in 4 of those 5 years.

 

 

Still shining the light on Shady I see lol

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26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I wouldn't call his 2017 season "disappointing" at all. He was a good receiver that year - 59 catches for 448 yards (7.6 ypr) and had 1600 yards total yards from scrimmage. Indeed, he was 4th in the league in yards from scrimmage! Sure, his ypc was down, but a ton of that had to do with the fact that the Bills had ZERO decent WRs and arguably their worst ' OC of the modern era calling plays. 

 

 

I think McDermott deserves a lot of the blame for it for dismantling the Lynn offense........but yes 2017 was a disappointing season from McCoy.

 

He was always a scat back who brought zero physical presence/benefit.....couldn't perform in short yardage and goal line....and was generally regarded as one of the worst pass blocking RB's in the league.

 

So for him to be good he needed to produce a lot and also do it on a per carry basis..........and he came in just under 4.0 ypc.......well below league average and a good half yard below his career average.   He had flashes but he was basically an accumulator on a very ineffective offense.   

 

The only season of the 5 where he lived up to his hype was 2016...........and that year he actually surpassed it.

 

But whether you agree or not with 2017.........the Bills didn't get what they were paying for.

 

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56 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think McDermott deserves a lot of the blame for it for dismantling the Lynn offense........but yes 2017 was a disappointing season from McCoy.

 

He was always a scat back who brought zero physical presence/benefit.....couldn't perform in short yardage and goal line....and was generally regarded as one of the worst pass blocking RB's in the league.

 

So for him to be good he needed to produce a lot and also do it on a per carry basis..........and he came in just under 4.0 ypc.......well below league average and a good half yard below his career average.   He had flashes but he was basically an accumulator on a very ineffective offense.   

 

The only season of the 5 where he lived up to his hype was 2016...........and that year he actually surpassed it.

 

But whether you agree or not with 2017.........the Bills didn't get what they were paying for.

 

I never judge RBs solely on rushing; pass catching is huge too in the modern NFL (and frankly has been since the days of Lydell Mitchell). He was a good receiver that year on a team with no receivers. Seriously, look at that group of receivers again. Just a joke. 

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2 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Still shining the light on Shady I see lol

 

 

Shady was a mess as a teammate and employee when the Bills got him.........but he won me over when he admitted that he needed to change and be more coachable and a better teammate after his 2015 thru early offseason 2016 sh*t-show on and off the field............and then actually backed it up.

 

That 2016 season was a joy to watch on offense with Shady actually focused on staying available and following the design of the Roman/Lynn offense and getting those big plays inside rather than scampering for the sidelines every play like he had in Philly and then Buffalo in 2015.    That season was one of those late-career ones where the light comes on while the talent is still there..........like Favre's first season in Minnesota.

 

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4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Probably not and I hope that some apologists can now admit that he was an absolutely terrible draft choice, tons of talent notwithstanding. He cost us 2 first round picks and a 4th (for good measure I suppose), this on a team with huge problems at quarterback.

 

To this day we hear about what a great "evaluator of talent" Whaley was. I was 100% against that trade and even I recognized how extremely talented Sammy is. It wasn't hard, but we gave away the store for him. Sammy was a flat out stupid draft pick/trade for the Bills and Whaley's time in Buffalo was marked by a lack of discipline and tossing away important draft picks.

 

McBeane may have their issues mind you but I prefer them tenfold over Whaley.

Through their first 2 seasons, Sammy (playing with EJ, Orton, and Tyrod) had 100 less yards and 3 less tds than Julio.  He played in a crap offense with bad throwing qbs.  When healthy, he is really good.

 

but of course, it’s hard to justify trading up for a non qb (of course the new regime has already done this multiple times).  It’s also funny for how bad Whaley is, it seems like a bunch of guys he drafted have played in SBs.

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On 1/29/2020 at 6:22 PM, stevewin said:

Usually the word "scarred" has negative, long-lasting, connotations - it allegedly left him "scarred", but then he further elaborates how it revived his career and resulted in a plethora of blessings ?

 

 

Sammy quote: “But I think that revived my whole career. At that point in my life I didn’t want to be there and somehow, miraculously, I get traded like the next week and go to another team that’s pretty good and go to the playoffs in my first year with the Rams and now to be in this situation, fighting in the third round last year, one game away from the Super Bowl and to be in the Super Bowl this year… blessings.”

 

ahh........... hey Sammy.

 

Bills went to playoffs the year they traded you. Don't let those facts get in the way of a good story though.

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9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I never judge RBs solely on rushing; pass catching is huge too in the modern NFL (and frankly has been since the days of Lydell Mitchell). He was a good receiver that year on a team with no receivers. Seriously, look at that group of receivers again. Just a joke. 

 

 

Then there is the argument that some guys just get those yards because there aren't enough alternatives...........so accumulated yardage without per per touch production can ring hollow.

 

In any event returning him to a near-Philadelphia level workload for that 2017 season pretty much did him in as a full time RB.

 

I still think McCoy could have had one more good season........180-200 carries at 4.5-5.0 ypc........had they retained the Roman/Lynn offense...........and they did bring 10 starters from that 2016 team to camp in 2017.  

 

 What McDermott has done to the Bills offense since he arrived is just as bad as what Rex did to the Schwartz defense.

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18 hours ago, Needle said:

Just because the money is incredible doesn't mean that a person loves the job. If you don't love being in the NFL, I would imagine it could be difficult doing the job.

 

That's why statistics/talent is not the only reason to draft a player let alone trade up for.

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16 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Through their first 2 seasons, Sammy (playing with EJ, Orton, and Tyrod) had 100 less yards and 3 less tds than Julio.  He played in a crap offense with bad throwing qbs.  When healthy, he is really good.

 

but of course, it’s hard to justify trading up for a non qb (of course the new regime has already done this multiple times).  It’s also funny for how bad Whaley is, it seems like a bunch of guys he drafted have played in SBs.

Nobody could deny that Watkins is a talented player. My thing is that he cost too much to obtain. FAR too much, especially for a team that needed a QB.

 

Whaley was a scout, and probably a good one. He was a horrible GM. If he was any good, he would have a job in the NFL. I would be utterly shocked if he ever gets another GM job. His poor body of work just stares you in the face.

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6 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Nobody could deny that Watkins is a talented player. My thing is that he cost too much to obtain. FAR too much, especially for a team that heeded a QB.

 

Whaley was a scout, and probably a good one. He was a horrible GM. If he was any good, he would have a job in the NFL. I would be utterly shocked if he ever gets another GM job. His poor body of work just stares you in the face.

I think you overstate things Bill.  I would agree that the 2014 team is possibly the best team of the drought and I would favor them over the 2017 and 2019 teams.  That was a loaded team. 
 

and Whaley’s record after 3 years of inheriting was 23-25. McBeane’s through 3 years is 25-23.  Next year Is a huge one for them.  Many great moves on defense, Some real questionable ones on offense. 

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On 1/29/2020 at 10:50 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Expect A LOT more players in coming years expressing disappointment in their treatment by McBeane.

 

Because that's the way it works.............if you are in charge of an NFL team long enough you disappoint players by cutting them, trading them, not giving them enough playing time etc..

 

I think most to all players are aware of the realities of their job.  

 

My disappointment (and perhaps what bothers some of these ex players) with McBeane is they continue to talk these guys like McCoy up and then they cut them.  When your culture depends on a family-type locker room, the hypocrisy of this can catch up with you.  Be a little less glowing about the guys whose future is uncertain.

 

If you read the various ex-Bills and McD articles where Andy Reid is discussed and so liked/respected by his players and formers,  McD would do well to study Reid in these matters.  They told Shady they wanted to go with the hot hands at RB and he accepted that.  Ragland respects they were patient with his rehab.  Reid tries to be realistic but also respectful, went out of his way to set McD up in Carolina when he had to let him go.

 

I'd like to see McBeane trend a little more in this direction.  Respecting the business and jerking players around with it are 2 different things.

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Man, that's so dramatic.  Poor millionaire.

 

Kind of bums me out. I wasn't one of those fans who was upset w/ Sammy - he got traded, and I thought he played hard while he was here (and I don't hold players responsible for how much the Bills paid or gave up for them).  I was pulling for him in the playoffs, and was happy to see him have a big game in the AFCCG.

 

Not really as excited to see him do well, now.  This comment was unnecessary & pretty overwrought.  

 

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1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

I think most to all players are aware of the realities of their job.  

 

My disappointment (and perhaps what bothers some of these ex players) with McBeane is they continue to talk these guys like McCoy up and then they cut them.  When your culture depends on a family-type locker room, the hypocrisy of this can catch up with you.  Be a little less glowing about the guys whose future is uncertain.

 

If you read the various ex-Bills and McD articles where Andy Reid is discussed and so liked/respected by his players and formers,  McD would do well to study Reid in these matters.  They told Shady they wanted to go with the hot hands at RB and he accepted that.  Ragland respects they were patient with his rehab.  Reid tries to be realistic but also respectful, went out of his way to set McD up in Carolina when he had to let him go.

 

I'd like to see McBeane trend a little more in this direction.  Respecting the business and jerking players around with it are 2 different things.

McD worked for Reid for years.

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22 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Reid aught to sit his ass. He won’t be the difference between a win and a loss.  WTF talks like that at this time?

There’s a really good chance that this happens.  Usually receivers who have put up 400 yards of offense in the past 2 seasons of postseason play get benched in the Super Bowl.  Why would Andy Reid want to utilize the guy who has been literally the most productive postseason receiver in the league in the biggest game of the year, right?

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001099825/article/chiefs-sammy-watkins-concedes-pay-cut-a-possibility

 

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....Set to count $21 million against the salary cap with a base salary of $13.75 million, none of which is guaranteed....

 

For those who believe a complementary receiver who generated 519 yards and 673 yards along with six total touchdowns in 24 regular-season games in his two seasons in K.C. doesn't merit the money owed, Watkins noted he's worth more than on-field production. 

 

"I don't think numbers prove anything," he said. "Numbers are just numbers to me. Numbers may mean a lot to the world, but I don't think that proves what I do for this team. Me bringing the great energy every day, me being the person that I am...if you can value me off that, I think my value would be very high. I don't think my value is all off scoring touchdowns or getting 1,000 yards receiving. I don't think I'm valued like that. I'm valued off being around the guy, being positive, coming into work every day, being a professional. I think if you would judge me off that, you would give me the world." 

 

 

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13 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:


this guy is seriously a joke. At least he didn’t make the usual decoy argument. 

 

No doubt!  Sounds like he may have taken a marketing class though.  I thought Mahommes was the Chiefs' no-so-secret sauce... maybe it's actually Sammy, bringer of positive energy.

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He is such a weird player. 98 yards in the Super Bowl. Do you pay for that and his first round skillset even though he can disappear for weeks and genuinely doesn't seem very intelligent? I don't know. Maybe? He's coming up on his 7th season so he's never really going to be a #1 but he can be an elite option at times. I'll give it to him, Sammy is kind of an enigma at this point. I can't think of many like him - borderline 3 for weeks that can flash like a 1 in the biggest games.

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14 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

this thread is lame

u sound like a FOOL

Another idiot

Another fool

 

HOW many stupid fans do the Bills have?

 

Well ... you just quoted the same guy two times.

 

Sam Watkins is a piece of crap.

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This post season, he had 14 receptions, 288 yards & 1 TD, which according to the graphic in the video above, is the most yards in Chiefs franchise history.

He's right, had his ups & downs, and he never really panned out the way we wanted, but the Bills have a history of over thinking things & making the wrong pick in the draft.

We traded 2 x 1st round picks for him when we could've just stayed still & taken 2 far more productive WR's, just like we opted not to take Patrick Mahomes, took a bunch of picks & traded up to take Josh Allen the next year (when we could've just stayed in place & taken Lamar Jackson if anything). 

Amusingly enough, now they're both on the same team. Hell, we eventually realized our offense sucked so bad after trading him away that we lost even more draft capital trading away a 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin hoping to fill Sammy's spot....that worked out even worse.

So I don't really blame Sammy. Not happy with him when he talks smack about the Bills, but the organization wasn't exactly known for doing their research or making the smartest moves.

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Sounded perfectly fine & yep a nice SB..... 

 

The point that continues to be hammered home was that they just tossed him away for nothing when 2017 would have been interesting to see what they had.

 

I hope John Brown builds in 2019 & we have a true # 1...

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33 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Sounded perfectly fine & yep a nice SB..... 

 

The point that continues to be hammered home was that they just tossed him away for nothing when 2017 would have been interesting to see what they had.

 

I hope John Brown builds in 2019 & we have a true # 1...

They had a borderline number two wideout who got paid way more than he is worth.  Can we close this thread already?   

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3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

We traded 2 x 1st round picks for him when we could've just stayed still & taken 2 far more productive WR's, just like we traded opted not to take Patrick Mahomes, took a bunch of picks & traded up to take Josh Allen the next year (when we could've just stayed in place & taken Lamar Jackson if anything). 

 

Wait .... really????

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13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

They had a borderline number two wideout who got paid way more than he is worth.  Can we close this thread already?   

I have liked to see him in the Bills uniform in 2017.

 

There was no reason to trade a productive #4 pick under contract, who had put up 1000 yard in 13 games in 2015.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, BigDingus said:

This post season, he had 14 receptions, 288 yards & 1 TD, which according to the graphic in the video above, is the most yards in Chiefs franchise history.

He's right, had his ups & downs, and he never really panned out the way we wanted, but the Bills have a history of over thinking things & making the wrong pick in the draft.

We traded 2 x 1st round picks for him when we could've just stayed still & taken 2 far more productive WR's, just like we traded opted not to take Patrick Mahomes, took a bunch of picks & traded up to take Josh Allen the next year (when we could've just stayed in place & taken Lamar Jackson if anything). 

Amusingly enough, now they're both on the same team. Hell, we eventually realized our offense sucked so bad after trading him away that we lost even more draft capital trading away a 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin hoping to fill Sammy's spot....that worked out even worse.

So I don't really blame Sammy. Not happy with him when he talks smack about the Bills, but the organization wasn't exactly known for doing their research or making the smartest moves.

We gave up one first round pick the following year and swapped first round picks to move up that current year. We did not give up two first rounders as so many people like to say. 

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1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I have liked to see him in the Bills uniform in 2017.

 

There was no reason to trade a productive #4 pick under contract, who had put up 1000 yard in 13 games in 2015.

 

 

 

 

The guy was coming off a year where he missed 8 games, had 28 catches for 430 yards and 2 touchdowns.   He played one full season in three years and liked to mope.   They were never going to pay him, he didnt want to be here, so why not get what you can from him?  Also productive is a very odd term to use.  He is the 8th most "productive" wideout from his own draft class after being picked fourth.  Below is a list of where he has ranked in Receptions, Yards, and TDs since coming into the league.  The guy has been in the top 20 in the statistical category twice in his entire career.   I guess you could say he is "productive" for a number three or four wideout but the truth is Bills fans just like to completely ignore reality.  Getting rid of him was a wise move.   He wont be in KC next year unless he takes a massive pay cut.   Sammy isnt some secretly amazing player that the Bills gave up for a bag of footballs.   There were plenty of reasons to move on from Sammy Watkins and I am glad they did.  

 

Year

Receptions

Yards

Touchdowns

2014

45th

24th

35th

2015

50th

22nd

17th

2016

163rd

112th

136th

2017

106th

69th

17th

2018

98th

88th

105th

2019

68th

56th

90th

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