Sammy Watkins: New Teams, Same Bad Attitude

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

You're the guy who thinks Mahomes is a bum, right?

You spelled Josh Allen wrong.

 

[stinky finger]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Sammy is an interesting case. I never had a problem with him when he was here, and I was genuinely shocked when he was traded away. I didn't really speak out because I believed in giving the brand-new regime a chance. Since then, I have noticed some of the names of the posters who continue to miss & defend him the most, and now I am very, very happy his punk ass is gone.

 

I fully understand it's January, but I nominate this post of the year.

 

This has staying power.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Hmm they lose in championship game twice in row.  I see the correlation. 

wth man. He had the play that would have sent them to the super bowl if Ford doesn’t line up Offside. 

[Billl]

Players who suck and have bad attitudes:

Stephon Gilmore

Shady McCoy

Sammy Watkins

Marshawn Lynch

 

Players who are awesome and have great attitudes despite what the results in high school, junior college, college, and the NFL say because his coaches and teammates always hold him back so it’s totally not his fault:

Josh Allen

 

Player who really isn’t that good and only looks good because his receivers make him look good:

Pat Mahomes

 

Player who simultaneously the Bills would never want because he only looks good because he has a great QB throwing him dimes but also makes his mediocre QB look good by being a weapon that Josh Allen doesn’t have thus giving his mediocre QB an unfair advantage:

Sammy Watkins again

[Captain Murica]

Damn, I’d hate to see the lizard king sad. 

[thebandit27]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

Players who suck and have bad attitudes:

Stephon Gilmore

Shady McCoy

Sammy Watkins

Marshawn Lynch

 

Players who are awesome and have great attitudes despite what the results in high school, junior college, college, and the NFL say because his coaches and teammates always hold him back so it’s totally not his fault:

Josh Allen

 

Player who really isn’t that good and only looks good because his receivers make him look good:

Pat Mahomes

 

Player who simultaneously the Bills would never want because he only looks good because he has a great QB throwing him dimes but also makes his mediocre QB look good by being a weapon that Josh Allen doesn’t have thus giving his mediocre QB an unfair advantage:

Sammy Watkins again

Oh look, guy that’s only here to rip Bills’ fans and Josh Allen found a way to rip Bills’ fans and Josh Allen in a thread about a Chiefs’ WR.

 

?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Weak take .... so is our QB an immature loser because of his body language in the WC game?

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Youre 100% correct but for some reason people on this board still think Sammy is more than an average number two wideout

If it takes him 12 years to do so its not that impressive.  You need to normalize stats to get the real story.  He was picked number 4 overall.  He is and always was a bust.

Perhaps your definition of “bust” should include some research.... google Russell,  Jamarcus and get back to us. 

[Paulus]

I hate hearing people here talk about ex-Bills players. But, it does allow us to see how ######ed most of the posters here are.

 

There is a reason Watkins and Gilmore are coveted, despite what the noise on here indicates. 

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by Paulus

[Gambit]

2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Oh look, guy that’s only here to rip Bills’ fans and Josh Allen found a way to rip Bills’ fans and Josh Allen in a thread about a Chiefs’ WR.

 

?

Sir please don't feed the troll. And if by some insane chance they aren't a troll, then they're just stupid. Either way it's a waste.

[Freddie's Dead]

Other than the three 1st rounders Whaley spent on him, I never quite got the Sammy hate.  I'll never forget the game against the Lions where he reached back one-handed and tipped the ball to himself for the catch.  He made some plays here that I'd never seen before by other WR's.  He wasn't a McBeane guy, and we moved on.  Fine.  The schadenfreude toward him from this board is unnecessary.

Edited January 14, 2020 by Freddie's Dead

[GreggTX]

I can't imagine Sammy coming back when we can't throw the deep ball anyways.

[thenorthremembers]

9 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Weak take .... so is our QB an immature loser because of his body language in the WC game?

Perhaps your definition of “bust” should include some research.... google Russell,  Jamarcus and get back to us. 

Right because the only bust in the entire history of the NFL draft was Jamarcus Russell. 

 

Sammy was picked 4th overall, the expectation for a player picked that high is at the very least to be a long term number#1 wideout.  To this point, he has been an average number 2, to an above average #3.   He was the first wideout picked in that draft and to current he is at best the 8th most productive wideout from that class.  Beckham, Evans, Robinson, Cooks, Landry, Adams, and John Brown have all had better careers to this point.   If Martavis Bryant keeps his nose clean he is the better wideout to this point too.

 

He has been oft injured (played one full season ever), has only had more than 60 receptions in a season once, has 1 (barely) 1000 yard season, and only caught more than 5 touchdowns in three of his six seasons. 

 

Sorry, but he is a draft bust. 

 

And for the guy saying if he plays another six years he will be top 50 in yards all time.   These are his last four years worth of reception yardage, 430, 593, 519, and 673, he may get to top 50 all time in yardage, but in reality the guy is having a Peerless Price type of career.

Edited January 14, 2020 by thenorthremembers

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Right because the only bust in the entire history of the NFL draft was Jamarcus Russell. 

 

Sammy was picked 4th overall, the expectation for a player picked that high is at the very least to be a long term number#1 wideout.  To this point, he has been an average number 2, to an above average #3.   He was the first wideout picked in that draft and to current he is at best the 8th most productive wideout from that class.  Beckham, Evans, Robinson, Cooks, Landry, Adams, and John Brown have all had better careers to this point.   If Martavis Bryant keeps his nose clean he is the better wideout to this point too.

 

He has been oft injured (played one full season ever), has only had more than 60 receptions in a season once, has 1 (barely) 1000 yard season, and only caught more than 5 touchdowns in three of his six seasons. 

 

Sorry, but he is a draft bust. 

IMO being a bust, and not reaching your expectations are two totally different animals 

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

IMO being a bust, and not reaching your expectations are two totally different animals 

How so?  They are literally the exact same thing.   Jamarcus Russell also didnt reach his potential.   The difference is no one gave him another shot.

 

 Using your logic you're essentially stating guys like Blaine Gabbert, and David Carr weren't busts because they outlasted their first team.   Watkins is JAG in the NFL right now, and was taken in the Top 5 of a draft, he is 100% a bust.     Agree to disagree, but Watkins was drafted to be DeAndre Hopkins and he ended up being Kendall Wright.

 

 

[blacklabel]

16 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

See my post at the bottom of page one. The SI story undercuts this narrative. 

 

I read it. I had to laugh at the "God's not gonna make the same mistake" thing, haha. Athletes and the lord, I guess I don't quite get it. But if you follow his IG or anything, you'd think he's part of some kinda alien-worship cult, always posting about how he's an alien and he's on StarShip14 and yadda, yadda, ya. Weird dude. Talented, not quite what people thought he'd be, though.

[C.Biscuit97]

The OP is a good dude but I think this is a bit of a stretch.  

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

How so?  They are literally the exact same thing.   Jamarcus Russell also didnt reach his potential.   The difference is no one gave him another shot.

 

 Using your logic you're essentially stating guys like Blaine Gabbert, and David Carr weren't busts because they outlasted their first team.   Watkins is JAG in the NFL right now, and was taken in the Top 5 of a draft, he is 100% a bust.     Agree to disagree, but Watkins was drafted to be DeAndre Hopkins and he ended up being Kendall Wright.

 

 

He has 12 more tds than Wright.  We we say bust, you don’t look at the circumstances.  He played on a high school offense, with bad qbs, and rushed back from a foot injury.  Yup, he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and probably never will.  Yet, 2 of the best offensive coaches in the entire league wanted him and he is in the playoffs for 3rd straight year playing on one of the best offenses.  
 

not a star but certainly is doing well for himself. 

[DCOrange]

To me, a bust is a player that's drafted high and turns out to be a bad player when healthy. Sammy is a pretty good player that never lived up to being an elite player like people expected. That isn't a bust; it's just a letdown. 

[babulator]

12 hours ago, Billl said:

Players who suck and have bad attitudes:

Stephon Gilmore

Shady McCoy

Sammy Watkins

Marshawn Lynch

 

Players who are awesome and have great attitudes despite what the results in high school, junior college, college, and the NFL say because his coaches and teammates always hold him back so it’s totally not his fault:

Josh Allen

 

Player who really isn’t that good and only looks good because his receivers make him look good:

Pat Mahomes

 

Player who simultaneously the Bills would never want because he only looks good because he has a great QB throwing him dimes but also makes his mediocre QB look good by being a weapon that Josh Allen doesn’t have thus giving his mediocre QB an unfair advantage:

Sammy Watkins again

I wish I could understand any of this.  Try taking a few deep breaths before posting next time.

[Billsfan1972]

Like anyone drafted by the Bills I want to see them succeed as a Bill.  When they dumped him for nothing it was an indication to me that the Bills were not going all in.  As a Bill, while not to that point living to expectations, there was plenty of upside & all this about attitude is dung.  How about looking at Diggs in a playoff game that they're winning & talk about that?

 

As a Bill, if they targeted him like a #1 10X's/game, I'm sure the results would have been vastly different.

 

The thread though is from another disgruntled poster, who lays all the blame on Whaley and the prior staff and their .500 record 2014-16 & trumpets the McD era & their 25-25 record (and wildcard appearances at 9-7 & 10-6).....  

Edited January 14, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[dollars 2 donuts]

18 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Only posting this since some folks have mentioned him as a potential FA WR target, and said he's grown and matured since his last run with the Bills.

 

This tells me differently.

 

 

 

 

I like that that the $8 million guy told the $16 million guy to straighten out.  

[teef]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Like anyone drafted by the Bills I want to see them succeed as a Bill.  When they dumped him for nothing it was an indication to me that the Bills were not going all in.  As a Bill, while not to that point living to expectations, there was plenty of upside & all this about attitude is dung.  How about looking at Diggs in a playoff game that they're winning & talk about that?

 

As a Bill, if they targeted him like a #1 10X's/game, I'm sure the results would have been vastly different.

 

The thread though is from another disgruntled poster, who lays all the blame on Whaley and the prior staff and their .500 record 2014-16 & trumpets the McD era & their 25-25 record (and wildcard appearances at 9-7 & 10-6).....  

the mcd era has had two winning seasons and two playoff appearances.  people keep pushing the .500 record like the two teams were similar, but we all know they weren't.  people aren't happy with this staff?

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

the mcd era has had two winning seasons and two playoff appearances.  people keep pushing the .500 record like the two teams were similar, but we all know they weren't.  people aren't happy with this staff?

 

 

I love this staff, but I would like to see something more and I don't know if we are going to see it:

 

 

[Gugny]

18 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Only posting this since some folks have mentioned him as a potential FA WR target, and said he's grown and matured since his last run with the Bills.

 

This tells me differently.

 

 

 

Nothing but a punk, diva who's never had anything but potential.  I was very happy the day he left.

[DrDawkinstein]

25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

The thread though is from another disgruntled poster, who lays all the blame on Whaley and the prior staff and their .500 record 2014-16 & trumpets the McD era & their 25-25 record (and wildcard appearances at 9-7 & 10-6).....  

 

 

LOL, you're talking to one of the biggest Whaley supporters this site ever saw. You dont know me!

 

 

22 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

I like that that the $8 million guy told the $16 million guy to straighten out.  

 

That's really what I was getting at. I expect more from players who are paid top dollar.

[teef]

16 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

I love this staff, but I would like to see something more and I don't know if we are going to see it:

 

 

and that's very fair.  i just don't get the anger towards them at this point.  they need to do better, but this team is where it should be right now.  if there's not continued improvement into next season, then there's a problem.

[BigBillsFan]

18 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I don't understand why Sammy Watkins is paid like he is.

 

Oh oh I know...

[Alphadawg7]

Really?  This tweet is proof of bad attitude?  I guess some people only see what they wanna see.  

[BigBillsFan]

14 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said:

It's depressing being a Flat-Earther.

 

I don't know about that it takes me far less time to dig to China for vacation.

[cba fan]

this whole thread and topic proves to my beyond a doubt we have way too many sports reporters(especially with advent of sports news on internet) trying to ek out a living resulting in this minutia non-story stuff seeing the light of day.

 

I mean, really, he was down? he slouched!! For ***** sake they were losing 24 - 0 barley into the 2nd quarter. Cut the guy a little slack. Emotion is human.

Edited January 14, 2020 by cba fan

[Real McClappy]

Could you imagine the lunacy around here if OBJ or Landry played for the Bills?

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 minutes ago, teef said:

and that's very fair.  i just don't get the anger towards them at this point.  they need to do better, but this team is where it should be right now.  if there's not continued improvement into next season, then there's a problem.

 

 

Oh, I am not angry, teef.  Forgive me for just popping in late to the party.  I haven't been paying attention to the back and forth.

 

I was bothered by the way they lost, because if they were going to lose I imagined it would be that way and I probably won't be over the loss fro awhile and the wasted opportunity, but I am on board with this administration.

 

...I just want this administration..plus something.

 

 

[cba fan]

19 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

I don't know about that it takes me far less time to dig to China for vacation.

no it would take you a lot more time as you would have to burrow horizontally. I think.

 

these flat-earthers don't always think through all the different ramifications their theory implies. lol

[dave mcbride]

49 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Nothing but a punk, diva who's never had anything but potential.  I was very happy the day he left.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should read more of the thread to get better context. This is kinda fake news. 

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Really?  This tweet is proof of bad attitude?  I guess some people only see what they wanna see.  

It's not even accurate given the larger context of his postgame comments. 

[colin]

assuming we could have built our exact team otherwise the same way, but kept gilmore and watkins (two top ten draft picks recently!!) we'd have smoked houston and i think woulda beat KC.

 

i think we are really close TBH.  cooper and a passrusher would put us over the top.  i can't wait for free agency, the draft, and then opening day.  hate this part of the year.

[TheCockSportif]

Watkins, though.  Yes, I was gobsmacked when he got drafted with that crazy trade of picks.  And yes, I was surprised that they tried to bolster the raw potential of EJ Manuel (that was sarcasm) by drafting Watkins.

 

Still, people have to let this go.  Different ownership.  Different FO and coaching regime.  Beane hasn't been lights out on the O side of the ball, but most certainly he didn't Whaley his FA or draft choices.  It's been probably 30 years since this organization did anything rational, and the past couple of years has shown that they are willing to part with dead weight.  While I'm glad that Watkins is gone, I think of his non existence here in the same light as Mahomes not having been the pick in 2017.  Time to move on.

 

Groin OUT!

Edited January 14, 2020 by Groin

[teef]

18 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Oh, I am not angry, teef.  Forgive me for just popping in late to the party.  I haven't been paying attention to the back and forth.

 

I was bothered by the way they lost, because if they were going to lose I imagined it would be that way and I probably won't be over the loss fro awhile and the wasted opportunity, but I am on board with this administration.

 

...I just want this administration..plus something.

 

 

i wasn't pointing out you or anything!  i agree with that loss.  that was the first loss in a very long time that bothered me.  it was just too billsy was of losing a game.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should read more of the thread to get better context. This is kinda fake news. 

It's not even accurate given the larger context of his postgame comments. 

 

Its the offseason. We'll have worse threads. ? ?

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, colin said:

assuming we could have built our exact team otherwise the same way, but kept gilmore and watkins (two top ten draft picks recently!!) we'd have smoked houston and i think woulda beat KC.

 

i think we are really close TBH.  cooper and a passrusher would put us over the top.  i can't wait for free agency, the draft, and then opening day.  hate this part of the year.

Actually the Bills may have been 13-3 & gotten a bye & home field advantage......  Got to dream big!!!!!?

 

1 hour ago, Groin said:

Watkins, though.  Yes, I was gobsmacked when he got drafted with that crazy trade of picks.  And yes, I was surprised that they tried to bolster the raw potential of EJ Manuel (that was sarcasm) by drafting Watkins.

 

Still, people have to let this go.  Different ownership.  Different FO and coaching regime.  Beane hasn't been lights out on the O side of the ball, but most certainly he didn't Whaley his FA or draft choices.  It's been probably 30 years since this organization did anything rational, and the past couple of years has shown that they are willing to part with dead weight.  While I'm glad that Watkins is gone, I think of his non existence here in the same light as Mahomes not having been the pick in 2017.  Time to move on.

 

Groin OUT!

Get over the trade & where he was picked.  He was productive as a Bill (1000 yard Season) & under contract.  He certainly was better then Gaines who we traded him for (& injured btw) or Matthews who the Bills replaced Watkins with????

 

 http://www.nfl.com/player/jordanmatthews/2543500/careerstats

 

Boy that was a trade!!!!

Edited January 14, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[Fan in Chicago]

15 hours ago, Billl said:

:

Sammy Watkins again

You need to work on your sarcasm, among other things 

[TheCockSportif]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Actually the Bills may have been 13-3 & gotten a bye & home field advantage......  Got to dream big!!!!!?

 

Get over the trade & where he was picked.  He was productive as a Bill (1000 yard Season) & under contract.  He certainly was better then Gaines who we traded him for (& injured btw) or Matthews who the Bills replaced Watkins with????

 

 http://www.nfl.com/player/jordanmatthews/2543500/careerstats

 

Boy that was a trade!!!!

Watkins had his moments, but when you look at the value of the pick, in particular given his injury history, and given what he disclosed about his effort here during an interview when he was with LAR, a change needed to be made.