Rocky Landing Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I am sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: good season, lot to build on. But top to bottom, there needs to be some serious soul searching in the next 9 months. McDermott needs to decide if he wants to be the coach of a good team, that chokes when the chips are down, or if he wants to be the coach of a great team that breaks other teams noses and then stands over them daring them to try and get back up. Daboll needs to decide if he wants to be cute or successful. Allen needs to decide if he wants to play smart and loose, or if he wants to play wild and stupid. This is a gut wreancher. Showed some good stuff, and some *****, horrible stuff. Time to move on. McD needs to decide if Daboll should be back. You cant continually score under 20 and win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He’ll stop doing those with more experience My issue is plenty of rookie QB’s don’t try to lateral the ball to Knox in that situation. Plays like that are ridiculous. That was such an extremely profound mistake, I’m not convinced experience changes it. I think he’s more of a Brett Favre type QB, who will always make really dumb plays. Guys like that need big time production that outweighs the mistakes to make it at this level. Edited January 5, 2020 by SirAndrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Basically we picked a hell of a time to get "Billsy". I hadn't seen it all season. Even the first Pats game it was really just Allen losing his mind. Today the whole team took turns gift wrapping the game for the Texans. edit: I'll let Hauschka off the hook. He was trying to be a hero we just decided to go backwards close to 40 yards in two plays and take it out of his hands. Edited January 5, 2020 by Maine-iac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Only focusing on offense..... Daboll sucks on so many levels and I seriously hope he’s gone. Running Gore is usually a 1 yard gain at best. Why were we continuously calling for Gore up the gut?? Why was Beasley not involved more? What was our blocking scheme in the second half?? Did he just fail to make a single adjustment?? I’m so disappointed... but then again, this is Buffalo, and this is our destiny and hell. Why WOULDNT the game/season end like this? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Bills 7 penalties for 64 yards Texans 4 penalties for 20. Four 5-yard penalties for Hou. So Hou o-line did not hold at all, all game...zero holding? Don't think I've ever seen a team have zero holding calls on the o-line for a whole game (+ OT too). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 There is so much to say here. I think Allen was concussed by the Watt sack that Ford gave up. That was the pivotal play of the game and they left their overmatched, heavy-footed GUARD, whom they traded up for instead of taking a playmaker and then stubbornly fixed at right tackle all season, guard 99 by himself. Huge error in scouting and personnel management compounded by stubbornness. That’s what you get. (These are the same morons who started Peterman and let a raw rookie QB start his first season with no QB coach and no line). After that play everything changed. Allen was shook and I believe injured - the ball wasn’t coming out right, he looked confused and rushed. Two things about that: first, the risk you take when your OC is up in the booth is that he looses the feel for how his guys are doing mentally. Someone should’ve seen that Allen wasn’t right and STOPPED RUNNING A FIVE WIDE SPREAD OFFENSE at that point. Second, this is why all things being equal you take the raw QB who at least has played big games in a big program. Watson has been there before many times; Allen wasn’t ready for the lights. Throwing a jump ball to the fullback in double coverage when you just need a first down; refusing to take the easy slants when you just need a first down; the kid was totally SHOOK in by far the biggest game of his life and his coaches did NOTHING to help him out. Allen played scared and lost after the Watt hit and his coaches let him down by coaching negligently and scared. Tonight was a giant organizational face plant and they should be ashamed of themselves (as should the posters who were high-fiving Beane with A+ grades in a separate thread all week). Lots of questions to answer in the offseason and it’s times like these I wish we had a more sophisticated ownership group. This kind of crap would not be tolerated in more storied and stable organizations. There needs to be accountability and some kind of reckoning after today. Also Roger Goodell is an a-hole. I hate him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: I’m glad someone else saw that stupid hop by brown. No need for it. It's those little things that add up to contribute to not closing a team out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Steptide said: This loss sucks. But surprisingly, I'm not that mad about it. This team is obviously on the rise, but just not there yet. Yea I'm depressed but I'm also very optimistic about the franchise. Most since the early 90s. We all should take 24 hours but I get it. Let's vent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Josh made decisions that should not even be part of the decisions available. WTH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I don't see the Bills ever doing much in the playoffs with Daboll as OC. You don't get conservative only up 2 scores. And Bills giving up TWO 2-point conversions - deserve to lose just for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrace245 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 This game is like the whole season. Can't score touchdowns. Never gonna win that way. We were one TD away from putting this game away. Instead we folded. This one hurts bad. They folded after the first TD and I called it...were losing this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Steptide said: This loss sucks. But surprisingly, I'm not that mad about it. This team is obviously on the rise, but just not there yet. We’ll see.. Lots to improve on this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, dubs said: The play clock was at 0 for 2 seconds and it would have been 3rd and 24. !@#$ them. Unreal. Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: It's worse then short sighted it's damn stupid. Allen overall played well showing signs of brilliance. How do three guys miss #41 on that seep run by Allen in OT? How does an NFL WR drop a perfectly placed TD pass at the end of the 1st half that would have put us up 17 - 0? And how is Watt unblocked and/or single blocked multiple times in the 2nd half and in OT? If anything I'm even more bullish on Allen after this game. We need upgrading on offense. It's that simple. There was a lot of breakdowns and individual assignments failures on both sides of the Ball. Allen included but he made some absolutely huge plays when needed like that beauty to Singletary For the first.. One block that was whiffed here or there or one penalty not taken and we probably have a shot at the winning FG. Some have decided to always place the blame on one guy which is the furthest thing from the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said: outside of opening drive Daboll play calling was awful. Why they continue to use Gore as much as they do is sickening. gore killed two potential TD drives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Good season, a huge learning experience F'k learning experiences. It's been 25 years. That is way too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mshaw Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) whole country now sees Allen as a joke of a QB... sad to see. next year is his last year to prove it or we need to move on, at least bring competition Edited January 5, 2020 by Mshaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 This is a terrible thing to say regarding a great player, but sometimes when they hand the ball off to Gore, I wonder if Daboll is on the take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, John in Jax said: Four 5-yard penalties for Hou. So Hou o-line did not hold at all, all game...zero holding? Don't think I've ever seen a team have zero holding calls on the o-line for a whole game (+ OT too). refs sucked. McD should point it out, but he wont. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, wppete said: Looks like Matt Milano is to blame on the biggest play of the game. He knocks Neal off of Watson. Neal would’ve taken him down if not for Milano. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: No man, they didn’t. It was one example of Allen and the offense not living up to what could’ve been after we built a lead. I am team Josh, but I’m allowed to critique the offense and him if they falter. That play didn't hurt the Bills at all. Critique something worth being critical about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, BillsRdue said: F'k learning experiences. It's been 25 years. That is way too long. Huge learning experience? Too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Mshaw said: whole country now sees Allen as a joke of a QB... sad to see. next year is his last year to prove it or we need to move on, at least bring competition I’d bring in Teddy B this offseason. Wont be a FA qb like that for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Our Bills defense needs to stop folding in the 2nd half of games. Good defenses close games out; They do not allow back to back scores and 2 point conversions. Missed tackles really have been a problem all year, needs to be a focus. That soft zone on 3rd and 18 was a huge mistake - did not like the call or the execution. Not sold on Badork as our punter... and today did nothing to make me feel like we have the right guy. Daboll did not call the best 2nd half, and the o-line needs some better pass protectors as 3 and 4 man rushes should not have been coming through our line like a hot knife thru butter. Definitely need an upgrade at RT as the Texans attacked that position with rushers setting up wide all game long. They got better on the left side defending that wide nine rusher, but even inside they were giving up pressure. How do you call a timeout, and then put in a downfield pass play that leaves Watt unblocked when in OT????? Sheer freaking genius. Allen choked a bit and the game got a bit big for him...just calling it as I saw it. That is where a smart OC gets the RB who is eating the Texan's lunch involved and does things to calm his QB down and lets him get into a rhythm. Instead he goes empty sets and puts more responsibility and pressure on his young QB and calls a bunch of QB designed runs when we know Allen can get hurt or put the ball on the turf. I don't get it. I like Allen using his legs on broken plays, or designed roll outs with receiving options, but have never been a fan of him plowing into defenders on stretch running plays or off tackle. Smoke seemed a bit off this game and I am not sure why - signaling for a flag as the ball is popped up and was still in play in the end zone. Not being aware of where the sideline was on the other deep route where normally he is really aware and would toe-tap that. White also played a bit uncharacteristically soft against Hopkins. I think he was so concerned about giving up the big play that he was giving him a bit too much cushion in the 2nd half. Give White some slack as he was in man to man quite a bit and he did not want to give up the big play. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Mshaw said: whole country now sees Allen as a joke of a QB... sad to see. next year is his last year to prove it or we need to move on, at least bring competition Stupid take 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Total team loss from the coaches to all 53 or 45 or whatever the number is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: Anybody screaming for massive player/coach overhaul...walk it off cause that ain't it, chief. This team achieved a lot more than most thought they would and they're on the right path, just need a few more pieces. Yep. This team has an excellent core of players that we can build around. Last year's OL was terrible. It was never going to be completely fixed in a single year. It still needs work, but we'll get there. We need another WR. We've known that since early in the season. Duke isn't the answer. Again, we'll get there. Our QB made some outstanding plays to build a lead, get us to OT, and put us in a position to win. He's got room to grow. This loss sucks, but there's a lot to look forward to. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) the missed block by knox costed them, josh looked to run it to field goal range and let him get whacked, unbelievable I wanted to like knox but hes been getting the qb killed with nonexistent blocks Edited January 5, 2020 by motorj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: McD needs to decide if Daboll should be back. You cant continually score under 20 and win. Considering that the offensive flow has shown the same trends all season long, I have to imagine McD is OK with it. Afterall, McD is essentially Daboll’s boss. I’m not saying you fire Daboll midseason but if McD didn’t like the direction of the offense, that’s his responsibility to relay that to his coordinator. My takeaway is that he wants the offense to be more on the conservative side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: This loss sucks. But surprisingly, I'm not that mad about it. This team is obviously on the rise, but just not there yet. I'm furious. This game had me losing my mind. There was no excuse for this loss. None. We were the better team and had this game in hand. They better figure this sh!t out by next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Will there ever be a time that we don’t have to be on this end? When is enough, enough? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dubs said: Basically, the officials gave the Texans a free play and they capitalized. !@#$ the NFL. I don't care if folks think I'm making excuses but the officials were terrible in that game. How many times did the Texans get called for holding? Zero by my count. And do other folks remember the 3rd down play in the 4th quarter where Watt pressured Allen into throwing an incomplete pass but well after Allen threw the pass he was hit hard IN THE LEGS by a Texan defender. That is roughing the passer every time yet no call there! I have reached a point where I despise NFL officials. They're low life scum bags who are ruining a great game. Today was no exception. Oh and what about when the refs stopped play on an illegal procedure but the Texan still hit Allen hard in the back? Again that should have been roughing the passer. Pegula needs to make the officials go through HELL this week. he needs to pursue every possible angle to draw attention to how piss poor these guys are. There is simply NO consistency as to what constitutes a penalty in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, wppete said: Mods taking down threads again... As well they should. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, dhg said: Stupid take Every single one of my DC buddies down here said the following: Allen is going to be good. Just needs to not be dumb with the sacks. Your oline is awful. You don't have a WR anyone worries about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: I’d bring in Teddy B this offseason. Wont be a FA qb like that for a while. Stupid. Period. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, MPT said: I thought our receivers played much better than usual this game. Brown had two plays he should have had, but Allen was a mess most of the second half. Fumbling, overthrowing, underthrowing, throwing deep to DiMarco (partial blame to Daboll for even drawing up that crap), two piss poor attempts at the end zone to end the second half, lateraling the ball to nobody with a minute left, taking bad sacks. Allen had some really good throws too, but he played far below what he's capable of. He was obviously completely shell shocked by the 4th quarter. Edit: the O-line deserves a lot of blame for Allen's performance. We're poorly coached on offense including Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, K-9 said: Like I said, on the defense. Period. It was nice of Milano to knock Watson of Neal’s grasp on the would be sack, too. Our defense is good. Not close to dominant. They pitched a shut out the first half? If Daboll didn't go conservative it should've been 24-0 instead of 16-0. The D could've pinned their ears back and teed off on Watson. 16 points is nothing in the NFL. You're on the road with a 16 point lead and you go conservative? Totally on McD and Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Warcodered said: This ones going to hurt for a while but overall I'm still liking our team. This wasn't really the year I thought they'd make a big run and if nothing else it's great experience for this young team. Right on brother. People forget quick our season has been over by week 10 the last 20 years. Now we got something to build on and maybe go further in play offs next year. This wasn’t a super bowl team this year. Be proud bills fans I no I am and this years draft we can talk about how it helps us make deep play off run not 6/10 go bills. Ps I hate NE 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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