JerseyBills Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Along with Steph Gilmore . Here is what they had to say. (F U PFF) Wesseling: Stephon Gilmore, New England Patriots; Tre'Davious White, Buffalo Bills. Gilmore finally allowed a touchdown in coverage on John Brown's 53-yard bomb in Week 16, leaving White as the cornerback with the most targets (83) without surrendering a score, per NFL Research. It's not every year that the interception leaderboard is headlined by the stingiest cover corners, but Gilmore and White sit atop the charts with six apiece while also ranking first (26) and second (23) in passes defensed, respectively. Gilmore ranked among the top three corners with an opposing passer rating of 47.4. Those numbers are all the more impressive considering New England's secondary lines up in man-to-man coverage as frequently as any team in the league. Gilmore is the key chess piece on a defense that is only the third since 2002 to amass 25 or more interceptions while holding opposing passers to a rating under 63.0. Capable of taking over games by erasing No. 1 wideouts and forcing timely turnovers, White is perhaps the lone week-to-week difference-maker on a Bills squad that reached double-digit victories for the first time this century. Shook: Stephon Gilmore, New England Patriots; Tre'Davious White, Buffalo Bills. Stephon Gilmore has owned the throne as the league's best corner for most of the season, and the advanced metrics back that up. Among those who were targeted 50-plus times, Gilmore was second in catch rate below expectation at -11.8 percent, second in ball-hawk rate (20.8 percent; this is the percentage of targets where the nearest defender made a play on the football), first in passes defended with 20 and tied for the lead in interceptions with six. He also ranked seventh in coverage success rate (60.4 percent) and allowed opposing passers to log just a 38.0 passer rating when targeted, second-best among that group. Only teammate J.C. Jackson, who faced nearly half as many targets (58) as Gilmore (96), was better in that department (allowing a passer rating of 21.8 when targeted). Gilmore's numbers and the tape don't lie: He's a premier cornerback. White's opposing catch rate below expectation is a bit less substantial, but at -8.4 percent, he still ranks sixth among those who were targeted at least 50 times. His hawk rate (20.2 percent) ranks third among that group, and his opposing passer rating allowed is just barely below Gilmore's, at 38.9. White is also tied atop the interception leaderboard with Gilmore at six, isn't far off in passes defended with 17, forces passes into tight windows on 28.6 percent of targets and allows just 4.0 yards after the catch on average. He's right up there with the best in the league. Edit - here is link http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093805/article/2019-nfl-allpro-teams-eye-test-vs-next-gen-stats-defense It's official. We all knew this for a couple years now , but Tre is officially considered a top 3 CB nationally. What a draft pick , great player and even better person. So glad 27 is a Bill baby!! ??????? Edited January 3, 2020 by JerseyBills 5 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Obviously they don't watch tape. If they did they would see that White is merely the 15th best corner. Edited January 3, 2020 by Scott7975 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Awesome news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 But PFF said.... 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Numbers don't lie, unless they are PFF numbers... 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Congrats to Tre, the recognition is well deserved! Beane needs to pay that man. imagine had we not let Gilmore walk (and the fact we actually have the cap space to have been able to afford him). Has there ever been a better secondary in NFL history than ours could have been w current players and Gilmore manning the other corner spot? Edited January 3, 2020 by Bill Murray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 He's also a great goalie. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, whatdrought said: But PFF said.... I'm seriously boycotting them. I'm just not going on their website, stopped following on Twitter . They're arrogant , borderline disrespectful and instead of getting frustrated, just going to ignore em. Can't stand their rankings, doesn't add up Edited January 3, 2020 by JerseyBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: He's also a great goalie. Best I ever seen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: Congrats to Tre, the recognition is well deserved! Beane needs to pay that man. imagine had we not let Gilmore walk (and the fact we actually have the cap space to have been able to afford him). Has there ever been a better secondary in NFL history than ours could have been w current players and Gilmore manning the other corner spot? I agree. It'd be amazing but do we pick Tre if we kept Gilmore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: He's also a great goalie. oh mykidsdad... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: But PFF said.... I see pff and think silent but deadly fart 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: Here is what they had to say. (F U PFF) uhh do you have an actual link to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I see pff and think silent but deadly fart uhh do you have an actual link to share? Sorry just posted in op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The one position the Bills know how to draft is cornerback. Not saying it’s the only one, but they can pick good corners. Leodis might be the worst one they drafted in the first two rounds over the past 30 years. He was still good not great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Bill Murray said: Congrats to Tre, the recognition is well deserved! Beane needs to pay that man. imagine had we not let Gilmore walk (and the fact we actually have the cap space to have been able to afford him). Has there ever been a better secondary in NFL history than ours could have been w current players and Gilmore manning the other corner spot? Considering who the head coach was at the time, I don't think Gilmore wanted to stay. That being said, someone on this board a few months ago put it best about Gilmore. "He's the same player in New England as he was in Buffalo, he just doesn't get flagged anymore." 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: I'm seriously boycotting them. I'm just not going on their website, stopped following on Twitter . They're arrogant , borderline disrespectful and instead of getting frustrated, just going to ignore em. Can't stand their rankings, doesn't add up All of this. They reflect their boss (Chris Collinsworth) quite well. I gave all their trash a thumbs down on YouTube so it finally stopped suggesting their videos to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Did they mention how Parker toasted Gilmore) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 File this under duh. Gilmore and Tre have been the top 2 corners in the league this year no questions asked. PFF (and I actually don't hate PFF) doesn't understand context nor accurately understand their own research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Well done Tre!!! You earned it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: File this under duh. Gilmore and Tre have been the top 2 corners in the league this year no questions asked. PFF (and I actually don't hate PFF) doesn't understand context nor accurately understand their own research. exactly. Nor does PFF understand how to correctly statistically weigh playing with a lead, playing with a big lead, or playing from behind. These are massive factors that sometimes not even film review can reveal. So any time any one says the stats are the facts, I cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Title says it all! Congrats Tre! Edited January 3, 2020 by JGMcD2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Well Deserved! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Pff can suck it Very well deserved! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Yes, he was definitely top 2 this year and not that far off of being the premier DB in the league. Arguably the most important or second most important position on defense. If Josh Allen becomes who I think he becomes which is a high end clutch QB, the trade with KC is going to look really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Wonderful. Congrats, Tre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Not bad for a 6th-15th best corner in the league. Clearly JAG...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Who are the last few Bills to be a first team all pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, arcane said: Who are the last few Bills to be a first team all pro? Marcell in 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, WMDman said: Marcell in 2014? Mario Williams and Marcel Dareus in 2014. Prior to that Brian Moorman in 2005-06 Takeo Spikes 2004 Bruce Smith 1997 Edited January 3, 2020 by JGMcD2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Nice!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Congrats to Tre well deserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 0 touchdowns allowed O goals allowed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Very well deserved. Congrats! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Really irritating that neither of our safeties make it again. They make everything go with our D because they prevent teams from going deep. But I guess deterring people from throwing the ball your direction deep isn't as good as if they throw it and you knock it down or intercept it. SMFH Not only that, they are both complete players. They can play the run, they can blitz, they can cover man to man if needed... Edited January 3, 2020 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Mario Williams and Marcel Dareus in 2014. Prior to that Brian Moorman in 2005-06 Takeo Spikes 2004 Bruce Smith 1997 The last time a Bills offensive player was named to the first team of the AP All-Pro squad was in 1991. Hull, Kelly, and Thomas were all first team. Moulds was second team in 1998 and 2002; Ruben Brown was second team in 2002; and Sam Gash was second team in 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I'm just here for the PFF salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 best player on team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 took the Bills long enough to report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Seriously though... when was the last All-Pro on the Bills. That might go back a few decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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