Here's a premature question: who will be our OC next year?

[transplantbillsfan]

Seems Daboll is hitting his stride. Went upstairs and is managing a no huddle with run n shoot concepts while talking in Allen's ear as long as he can.

 

As much as I have been up and down with my feelings of him, it seems he's figured something out. Plus, he and Allen seem to work really well together. And of course the reputation Allen had coming into the league will only enhance his stock.

 

And then with Rivera fired and our QB coach with Carolina connections, there's this:

 

So if both of those guys are gone, who the hell is our OC next season???

Edited December 4, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[LeGOATski]

Matt Barkley

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Greg Roman  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Brian Daboll  

[Buffalo Boy]

Josh McDaniels

 

Didn’t see that coming, did ya?

[Doc Brown]

Norv Turner  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Norv Turner  

 

....LMAO....he's been recycled more times than a plastic water bottle..............

[Dkollidas]

I don’t think he gets picked up. Frazier might be more likely. Could especially see a team like Carolina looking into Frazier.

 

Daboll might get some interviews, but even with 7-8 jobs opening, I could see Rivera(1) and Garrett (2) taking other head coaching positions. Then Greg Roman(3) will likely get a job. I could see a team saying “listen, draft Jaylen Hurts and do the same thing for us so we don’t have to trade everything to move up in the 1st round). I could definitely see Saleh (4) from the 49’ers getting a head job. Mike McCarthy (5) will likely be brought in to coach a team as well 
Then there’s a list of guys like Pete Carmichael (OC New Orleans), Kevin Stefanski (OC, Minnesota), Eric Bienamy (OC, Kansas City), Nick Sirianni (OC, Indianapolis) who could be candidates as well 

Then sprinkle in a college coach or two and you’re done before you get to our happy little mustachioed Daboll. 

[Foxx]

ima go with.. transplantbillsfan. at least we won't have to worry about losing him to another team.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I don’t think he gets picked up. Frazier might be more likely. Could especially see a team like Carolina looking into Frazier.

 

Daboll might get some interviews, but even with 7-8 jobs opening, I could see Rivera(1) and Garrett (2) taking other head coaching positions. Then Greg Roman(3) will likely get a job. I could see a team saying “listen, draft Jaylen Hurts and do the same thing for us so we don’t have to trade everything to move up in the 1st round). I could definitely see Saleh (4) from the 49’ers getting a head job. Mike McCarthy (5) will likely be brought in to coach a team as well 
Then there’s a list of guys like Pete Carmichael (OC New Orleans), Kevin Stefanski (OC, Minnesota), Eric Bienamy (OC, Kansas City), Nick Sirianni (OC, Indianapolis) who could be candidates as well 

Then sprinkle in a college coach or two and you’re done before you get to our happy little mustachioed Daboll. 

 

Pete Carmichael is not getting a HC job for the same reason he hasn't every other year. He has been the OC of top offenses in New Orleans for a decade but everyone knows it is really Brees and Payton running the show. Stefanski and Bienamy will get looks I would think. Sirianni might as well but I'd be surprised if he lands a job this time around. Also not sure Garrett jumps right back into a HC job.

 

Vacancies:

Washington Redskins

Carolina Panthers

 

Almost certain vacancies:

Atlanta Falcons

Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns

 

Possible vacancies:

New York Giants

Los Angeles Chargers

New York Jets

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Norv Turner  

Hoveround scooters allowed on the sidelines, or by default, he wheels up to the booth?  (Norv in the booth!  Norv in the booth!)

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Seems Daboll is hitting his stride. Went upstairs and is managing a no huddle with run n shoot concepts while talking in Allen's ear as long as he can.

 

As much as I have been up and down with my feelings of him, it seems he's figured something out. Plus, he and Allen seem to work really well together. And of course the reputation Allen had coming into the league will only enhance his stock.

 

And then with Rivera fired and our QB coach with Carolina connections, there's this:

 

So if both of those guys are gone, who the hell is our OC next season???

 

I am not overly worried about it.  They just got rid of Rivera and want to move on from that staff - why would they go back into his former staff to hire a new HC. 
 

I think Daboll gets some looks, but I think he is back.  I think he is a bit to much like Kitchens in Cleveland - very expressive and brash and I think that will turn off a few teams. 
 

I think Dorsey could get some looks at OC, but I think the Bills will offer a bit of a raise and unless he gets a perfect fit - I think he will be back. 
 

I am hoping the failure of Kitchens, Gase (although he will be back), Nagy, Gruden, etc.  that teams will realize that it is less about finding the next McVay and more about finding a leader and letting the OC and DC be your McVay.  
 

We will see.

 

So I guess my answer to your question would be - I expect our OC next year to be ........... Daboll with Dorsey as Assistant OC and QB coach.
 

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by Rochesterfan

[JMF2006]

I think the Skins should hire Wrex……..he would be the perfect fit for that on going tire fire

[fansince88]

Most of those teams will want those positions filled before we win the Superbowl so I dont think we will have to worry about it.

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I think Dorsey could get some looks at OC, but I think the Bills will offer a bit of a raise and unless he gets a perfect fit - I think he will be back.

 

 

 

Dorsey is under contract so he will only be an OC somewhere else if the Bills allow him to walk. There is no requirement to allow position coaches to interview for coordinator positions. I think the Bills generally want to be seen as a team who don't block talented guys from moving up (in the long run it helps you attract the best talented young coaches) but given where Josh is in his development I'd be surprised if they let Dorsey interview for anything short of HC positions (where they are obligated to) this offseason.

[ALF]

I could see Greg Roman going to the Panthers or Cowboys

 

I think Daboll  stays here , not ready to be a HC

Edited December 4, 2019 by ALF

[Freddie's Dead]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Greg Roman  

 

 

 

You beat me to it.  

[H2o]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Pete Carmichael is not getting a HC job for the same reason he hasn't every other year. He has been the OC of top offenses in New Orleans for a decade but everyone knows it is really Brees and Payton running the show. Stefanski and Bienamy will get looks I would think. Sirianni might as well but I'd be surprised if he lands a job this time around. Also not sure Garrett jumps right back into a HC job.

 

Vacancies:

Washington Redskins

Carolina Panthers

 

Almost certain vacancies:

Atlanta Falcons

Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns

 

Possible vacancies:

New York Giants

Los Angeles Chargers

New York Jets

 

I'd move the NY Giants to "Almost certain vacancies" as Shurmur is done and Dallas to possible if they don't make the playoffs and win at least a game, if not two. I expect Robert Saleh from SF to get a lot of looks. I'd also expect Kris Richard from Dallas to get many interviews. Brian Schottenheimer is another I could see getting some serious looks. Don't be surprised if the Skins go sniffing around the college ranks for a HC. I expect them to try to interview Brian Kelly, Ryan Day, possibly Urban Meyer, and maybe even throw a bone out to see if Lincoln Reilly would be interested (whom I also expect the Cowboys to go after if they let Garrett walk). Hell, after his 5 straight losses to Ohio St., I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh started interviewing for NFL jobs (even though he says he is staying in Ann Arbor). After this year in Baltimore I expect Roman to get some serious looks @ HC vacancies this offseason. I hope we are able to keep Daboll for at least one more year. Honestly, I think he may get an interview or two, but I can't see a FO being ready to hand him the reigns to a team just yet. There are guys out there with more proven track records @ the OC position than him. 

[ProcessYaDigg]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Pete Carmichael is not getting a HC job for the same reason he hasn't every other year. He has been the OC of top offenses in New Orleans for a decade but everyone knows it is really Brees and Payton running the show. Stefanski and Bienamy will get looks I would think. Sirianni might as well but I'd be surprised if he lands a job this time around. Also not sure Garrett jumps right back into a HC job.

 

Vacancies:

Washington Redskins

Carolina Panthers

 

Almost certain vacancies:

Atlanta Falcons

Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns

 

Possible vacancies:

New York Giants

Los Angeles Chargers

New York Jets

 

Almost certain vacancies:

Atlanta Falcons

Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns

Dallas Cowboys

 

You forgot one!

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

Almost certain vacancies:

Atlanta Falcons

Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns

Dallas Cowboys

 

You forgot one!

 

Yea - I forgot Dallas! They were meant to be on the list. 

12 minutes ago, H2o said:

I'd move the NY Giants to "Almost certain vacancies" as Shurmur is done and Dallas to possible if they don't make the playoffs and win at least a game, if not two. I expect Robert Saleh from SF to get a lot of looks. I'd also expect Kris Richard from Dallas to get many interviews. Brian Schottenheimer is another I could see getting some serious looks. Don't be surprised if the Skins go sniffing around the college ranks for a HC. I expect them to try to interview Brian Kelly, Ryan Day, possibly Urban Meyer, and maybe even throw a bone out to see if Lincoln Reilly would be interested (whom I also expect the Cowboys to go after if they let Garrett walk). Hell, after his 5 straight losses to Ohio St., I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh started interviewing for NFL jobs (even though he says he is staying in Ann Arbor). After this year in Baltimore I expect Roman to get some serious looks @ HC vacancies this offseason. I hope we are able to keep Daboll for at least one more year. Honestly, I think he may get an interview or two, but I can't see a FO being ready to hand him the reigns to a team just yet. There are guys out there with more proven track records @ the OC position than him. 

 

I am not sure on Shurmer. I think he should be done. I am just not sure. The Mara's tend to fire a year later than they should do.... Dallas I just forgot to write. In my head they were there haha. 

 

As for candidates - yes, Kris Richard will get looks again and this might be his year. Jim Harbaugh to Carolina would not surprise me at all. Not sure how many of the other possible openings he is a fit for. I'd be surprised if Ryan Day jumps from Ohio State after just one year. Agree that he will want to coach in the NFL at some point, but he is young it isn't a now or never situation. Urban Meyer is interesting. Especially in Dallas. Not sure he would go to Washington because that is set up to fail, even with Dwayne Haskins. 

[MAJBobby]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Seems Daboll is hitting his stride. Went upstairs and is managing a no huddle with run n shoot concepts while talking in Allen's ear as long as he can.

 

As much as I have been up and down with my feelings of him, it seems he's figured something out. Plus, he and Allen seem to work really well together. And of course the reputation Allen had coming into the league will only enhance his stock.

 

And then with Rivera fired and our QB coach with Carolina connections, there's this:

 

So if both of those guys are gone, who the hell is our OC next season???

Both will be here next year. 
 

The team that should be planning for life after their OC is Ravens. 

[billsbackto81]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Brian Daboll  

Agree. Dabolls not going anywhere unless some University grossly over pays him. There's just not enough on his resume at the pro level.

 

Then again I thought the same with Mike Pettine

[Wsam4031]

if Daboll is not here then ill take the job. Ill come out of retirement from my Madden days

[H2o]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I am not sure on Shurmer. I think he should be done. I am just not sure. The Mara's tend to fire a year later than they should do.... Dallas I just forgot to write. In my head they were there haha. 

 

As for candidates - yes, Kris Richard will get looks again and this might be his year. Jim Harbaugh to Carolina would not surprise me at all. Not sure how many of the other possible openings he is a fit for. I'd be surprised if Ryan Day jumps from Ohio State after just one year. Agree that he will want to coach in the NFL at some point, but he is young it isn't a now or never situation. Urban Meyer is interesting. Especially in Dallas. Not sure he would go to Washington because that is set up to fail, even with Dwayne Haskins. 

I'd bet the house that Shurmur is done in NY. He's 7-21 as Giants HC the last two seasons. That's absolutely putrid. I don't think the Giants brass waits another year to see if he can right the ship. I don't know if Day jumps to the NFL either, but I expect the Skins to make an attempt because of his ties to Haskins, the same reason I could see them attempting to go after Meyer. There was a story at the beginning of October saying that Brian Kelly was on a few NFL teams' radar as far as their HC positions, noting that those same teams feel he is very underrated as a HC. The Redskins were mentioned as one of those teams. Urban Meyer would be an interesting hire wherever he went, but I don't know if him and a meddling Jerry Jones could coexist in Dallas. I really think that guys who will be getting HC jobs in 2020 are Roman, Richard, Saleh, and Schottenheimer. Harbaugh is bound to try the NFL again at some point after his failures at Michigan. Not sure if it will really be his own decision, but he will make it look like it was his choice. Carolina would be quite an interesting destination for him though as you stated. All he would be looking for was his type of QB and to reshape the defense. They have a bunch of weapons on offense already.  

[JXCOL3]

If Daboll is gone, then I vote Chan Gailey!!!! FLAME AWAY

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Brian Daboll  

Say no more

 

Sure he may be interviewed for a HC job.  But will he leave? 

Edited December 4, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[atlbillsfan1975]

 

If the Bills do look for a new OC I’d love to see Joe Brady. Look at what he has done with Joe Burrow at LSU. Brady has spent time under Sean Payton in NO. Brady also played at William and Mary where McDermott played at. I’d like to see what Brady could do with Allen. Brady took Burrows from a 55% completion percentage to over 70% . Brady is a young riser, who might like a shot back in the Pro’s. 
 

I don’t see Daboll as a HC in the NFL. Not sure why he would leave the Bills for anything less than a HC gig someplace he valued.

Edited December 4, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Just Joshin']

6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Say no more

 

Sure he may be interviewed for a HC job.  But will he leave? 

He will get some interviews - heard he talked to Sean McVay once.

 

I suspect he will not land a HC job this year unless the Bills get to the SB.

[billsfan_34]

My guess Daboll still. I don’t think he is ready to be a HC and does not have a good enough track record yet but he is trending up. My guess if he does move on possibly Ken Dorsey gets the OC nod.

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

 

If the Bills do look for a new OC I’d love to see Joe Brady. Look at what he has done with Joe Burrow at LSU. Brady has spent time under Sean Payton in NO. Brady also played at William and Mary where McDermott played at. I’d like to see what Brady could do with Allen. Brady took Burrows from a 55% completion percentage to over 70% . Brady is a young riser, who might like a shot back in the Pro’s. 
 

I don’t see Daboll as a HC in the NFL. Not sure why he would leave the Bills for anything less than a HC gig someplace he valued.

Burrow is at 78.3% completion percentage right now which is absolutely unheard of, especially against the level of opponents he has faced all year long. Insane.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3915511/joe-burrow

 

[thebandit27]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Pete Carmichael is not getting a HC job for the same reason he hasn't every other year. He has been the OC of top offenses in New Orleans for a decade but everyone knows it is really Brees and Payton running the show. Stefanski and Bienamy will get looks I would think. Sirianni might as well but I'd be surprised if he lands a job this time around. Also not sure Garrett jumps right back into a HC job.

 

Vacancies:

Washington Redskins

Carolina Panthers

 

Almost certain vacancies:

Atlanta Falcons

Jacksonville Jaguars

Cleveland Browns

 

Possible vacancies:

New York Giants

Los Angeles Chargers

New York Jets

 

 

Careful about typecasting Carmichael; a lot of folks said the same thing about Frank Reich in both SD and Philly.

 

I mostly agree with you though.

 

As for the OP, if by some chance both Daboll and Dorsey leave, which I heavily doubt would happen, you could see Rob Boras take the reins since he's called plays before. I suspect, however, that they could look to groom a younger guy like Chad Hall for the spot. I know McDermott loves Hall.

 

I suppose they could also look at Derek Anderson. McDermott is big on the trust model, and Anderson is a guy that has the trust of both he and Josh Allen. He knows the scheme and many of the players. Might make sense.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

He will get some interviews - heard he talked to Sean McVay once.

 

I suspect he will not land a HC job this year unless the Bills get to the SB.

 

Yup.  I searched and found an older thread. 

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Dorsey is under contract so he will only be an OC somewhere else if the Bills allow him to walk. There is no requirement to allow position coaches to interview for coordinator positions. I think the Bills generally want to be seen as a team who don't block talented guys from moving up (in the long run it helps you attract the best talented young coaches) but given where Josh is in his development I'd be surprised if they let Dorsey interview for anything short of HC positions (where they are obligated to) this offseason.

 

I hear you - I agree that I don’t think they would block him for a promotion- I believe the only way he would leave would be if Rivera gets an opening and wants Dorsey as an OC. 
 

Other than that - I would expect him back with the Bills learning and growing as a coach.

[aceman_16]

I hear the guru of the offense and gift to man..Doug Marrone may be available!

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Careful about typecasting Carmichael; a lot of folks said the same thing about Frank Reich in both SD and Philly.

 

True - but I always thought Reich was undervalued in Philly and DeFilippo got far too much credit.

[T master]

If by chance Dabol gets the call from another team i would immediately put Dorsey in charge of the offense, that would keep some sort of stability for Allen & the guy has been a QB for ever .

 

It seems that that would be the natural progression to give him the reigns seeing as he is familiar with the players & the scheme ...

 

One of the biggest reasons young QB's fail in the NFL is due to coaching changes, the Bills have several QB's that turned to crap due to that so i would hope they would promote Dorsey if Dabol leaves but him being a homer I'm not sure he would leave .

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

A month or so ago many many Bills fans here were screaming FIRE Daboll.

 

His move to the booth changed that dramatically.  

 

A HC belongs on the sideline ...  

[WhoTom]

Daboll doesn't have enough experience to be a HC yet. He'll be back.

 

 

[Bangarang]

Ron Rivera

7 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

Daboll doesn't have enough experience to be a HC yet. He'll be back.

 

 

He has plenty of experience.

[ProcessAccepted]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Seems Daboll is hitting his stride. Went upstairs and is managing a no huddle with run n shoot concepts while talking in Allen's ear as long as he can.

 

As much as I have been up and down with my feelings of him, it seems he's figured something out. Plus, he and Allen seem to work really well together. And of course the reputation Allen had coming into the league will only enhance his stock.

 

And then with Rivera fired and our QB coach with Carolina connections, there's this:

 

So if both of those guys are gone, who the hell is our OC next season???

Holy crap I need to get my resume ready for the Pegula's ?

 

There is no way that we are losing both of these guys. Honestly I'd be shocked if Daboll is gone after the season.