So please tell me again, how McD is Dick Jauron

[Reader]

As we all know, Dick "It's hard to win in the NFL" Jauron was the king of run run pass, bend don't break and exhilarating games that ended 17-14.

 

Here we have McD, one of the most aggressive coaches on 4th down. A coach who seems to trust Daboll and wants a clock controlling strategy when up while not being afraid to take risks as well.

 

What is most baffling to me is this narrative of Jauron = McD even when the direct facts contradict it. Yesterday someone in the game thread complained, as we were losing, about how we doing conservative football. That drive was a 3 and out of a run, a pass and a pass. Both passes aimed for past the sticks. Do I simply not understand what conservative football is? 

[Magox]

It was a lazy analysis made by a few that was parroted by a few more.

 

He's nothing like Jauron.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Magox

[Da webster guy]

Sean gets conservative with just grinding out small leads because he's got a great defense and he's insanely afraid of getting a turnover.

Example:  last week Denver game up 3 possessions with 7 minutes left he just runs straight ahead into a 10 man front over and over.   Not necessarily bad, just boring football.

 

He can seem JauronEsque for that approach.   

 

Got him 3 more wins than last year already tho....im not complaining.

[SCBills]

He never was, also... He’s evolving. 
 

The conservative play, on that late 3rd down, was to run the ball, let the clock roll and kick the FG to go up 19.  
 

He let Allen throw for the TD.  We didn’t convert, but he trusted Allen to go for the punctuation mark when all we needed was a FG to basically end the game. 
 

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by SCBills

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Sean gets conservative with just grinding out small leads because he's got a great defense and he's insanely afraid of getting a turnover.

Example:  last week Denver game up 3 possessions with 7 minutes left he just runs straight ahead into a 10 man front over and over.   Not necessarily bad, just boring football.

 

He can seem JauronEsque for that approach.   

 

Got him 3 more wins than last year already tho....im not complaining.

 

Actually, over the last three weeks, they have run uptempo, no-huddle offenses with small leads - and played more conservative only when they had comfortable leads late in the game - which is smart football. 

[Big Turk]

He isn't. Never was. People just like making up things because they have nothing better to do.

[Phil The Thrill]

It was a crap comparison to begin with.  The only similarities are the fact that they both come from a defensive background.  
 

Also this is a great example of the bi-polar nature of the Bills fan base. 

[DrDawkinstein]

As someone who has made the comparison, and even some memes about it, McD is changing/learning/evolving, which is wonderful and what I wanted to see.

 

Even when I was criticizing McD for being too conservative, I always said he shouldnt be fired and given at least a couple more years to continue to learn and grow as a new Head Coach.

 

Just like those of us who criticized Daboll through the first half of the season. Daboll was underperforming, and then made some changes, went back up to the booth, implemented the no huddle, and things have improved. That's GREAT! That's exactly what fans should want to see from our criticisms. Doesnt mean those earlier criticisms were wrong or inaccurate.

 

I'd argue that with the changes we've seen from the staff, the criticisms were fair and accurate. Even better that the coaches were able to see and address it as well.

 

Having staff learn and grow is much better than having to fire them and rebuild.

[Royale with Cheese]

Ask Sotier....he will pound the table they are twins.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

one member does stand out to me in regards to the comparison.

 

very poor comparison I may add.

[DrDawkinstein]

22 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

He isn't. Never was. People just like making up things because they have nothing better to do.

 

21 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

It was a crap comparison to begin with.  The only similarities are the fact that they both come from a defensive background.  
 

 

Oh, BS.

 

Not only defensive backgrounds, they run almost the exact same soft, bend-but-dont-break, Tampa-2 defensive scheme.

They are both risk-averse

They both struggle with clock and TO management at the end of halves

They both dial it back once merely a one-score lead is established

They both like to keep it close, keep the clock running, and then see what happens since "it's tough to win games in the NFL"

 

They were even more alike before the last few weeks, but credit to Sean for being willing to change and make adjustments. That is the key differentiator that we didnt see out of previous failed coaches.

 

I look forward to keeping McD around and watching him grow away from being like Jauron, and more like being his own self and winning HC.

[starrymessenger]

I don't think McD would have done well with that ownership and under that general management. So the question is would Jauron have looked more like McD were he coaching the Bills today. I don't claim to know the answer but I wouldn't be surprised if it is "yes". 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Oh, BS.

 

Not only defensive backgrounds, they run almost the exact same soft, bend-but-dont-break, Tampa-2 defensive scheme.

They are both risk-averse

They both struggle with clock and TO management at the end of halves

They both dial it back once merely a one-score lead is established

They both like to keep it close, keep the clock running, and then see what happens since "it's tough to win games in the NFL"

 

They were even more alike before the last few weeks, but credit to Sean for being willing to change and make adjustments. That is the key differentiator that we didnt see out of previous failed coaches.

 

I look forward to keeping McD around and watching him grow away from being like Jauron, and more like being his own self and winning HC.

 

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Ask Sotier....he will pound the table they are twins.

 

Opps, forgot to log out and back in as Sotier... CRAP!

[par73]

The only time he makes me think of Jauron is when he says how hard it is to win in the NFL (after most games, it seems).

[seven&nine]

I like where McDermott is as a coach now - but I will never understand punting in OT against the Colts two years ago. It somehow worked out but that was the ultimate Jauron move.

[Just Joshin']

Not true today, not true yesterday.  Whether it is for a coach or a player, I find these type of comparisions mentally lazy.  

 

Critique each on on their unique merits.

[Capco]

There are definitely similarities in their approaches, but I think it's obvious that McD is a more modern version of those similar principles. 

 

I have a feeling McD is also more inspiring than a corpse.  

[Magox]

49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Oh, BS.

 

Not only defensive backgrounds, they run almost the exact same soft, bend-but-dont-break, Tampa-2 defensive scheme.

They are both risk-averse

They both struggle with clock and TO management at the end of halves

They both dial it back once merely a one-score lead is established

They both like to keep it close, keep the clock running, and then see what happens since "it's tough to win games in the NFL"

 

They were even more alike before the last few weeks, but credit to Sean for being willing to change and make adjustments. That is the key differentiator that we didnt see out of previous failed coaches.

 

I look forward to keeping McD around and watching him grow away from being like Jauron, and more like being his own self and winning HC.

Oh BS

 

They are not bend break defense.   They are one of the stingiest defenses in the league in yardage and points.

 

And your misperception of him being conservative is exactly that, a misperception.

 

They played to the talent level of their team, they were less talented therefore the play calling etc was for the team they had, as their talent level rose the play calling and aggressiveness followed.

 

like I said, lazy analysis for anyone to believe that MCD is anything like Jauron.   Not to mention that the culture that he has brought to the team is vastly different.

11 minutes ago, seven&nine said:

I like where McDermott is as a coach now - but I will never understand punting in OT against the Colts two years ago. It somehow worked out but that was the ultimate Jauron move.

Because it was the right move.   Bills defense had been shutting them down and our offense had been struggling.  The idea was to punt and pin them down, stop them, get the ball back and score.

 

Guess what?  That’s what ended up happening

[TPS]

I don't know about the comparison, but I think there is a marked difference in the offense, and maybe the team overall, since he told them to start playing fearless a few weeks back.  I think he realized they needed to play a more aggressive style on O if they want to achieve their goal this year.  It's working...

Edited November 29, 2019 by TPS

[4merper4mer]

I agree that McD > Jauron; Jauron takes far too much heat.  Those teams were not exactly loaded with talent to do anything but what he did.  We have had coaches that were far worse.  Greggo, Rex and Greggo Marrone are three examples.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

He never was, also... He’s evolving. 
 

The conservative play, on that late 3rd down, was to run the ball, let the clock roll and kick the FG to go up 19.  
 

He let Allen throw for the TD.  We didn’t convert, but he trusted Allen to go for the punctuation mark when all we needed was a FG to basically end the game. 
 

 

 

 

...DEAD ON.....Jauron had 40 years combined as a player and in the coaching ranks....McD has 20 years.....

[atlbillsfan1975]

The loss and the way the Bills lost to Cleveland might end up being the best thing that could of happened for McDermott and the Bills. 

[BillsVet]

The coach's game-plan  yesterday was anything but Jauron-esque, particularly on offense.  And on defense, they stopped an offense that had multiple top weapons.  I really don't care that Prescott threw for 355 on 49 attempts or that Dallas has struggled.  Buffalo's coaches had a solid plan.  

 

I expect McD to craft a defensive game-plan that limits opponents, but what they did on offense was more impressive and yes, unexpected.  I haven't seen Buffalo run a play like the Brown TD pass to Singletary that well in years.  

 

A coaching staff, particularly the HC, has the responsibility of putting the players into a position to succeed yesterday.  This staff more than met that standard yesterday on a big stage.  

Edited November 29, 2019 by BillsVet

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...just a hunch, but can't forget McD has 1/2 the NFL experience as did Jauron....as SC Bills said, "he's evolving"....last three games as case in point......with both from defensive backgrounds, the generic inference stems from defense first with a conservative style of offense...but that's where it stops...Dickie was beholden to and fiercely loyal to vets......hell FredEx was riding the pine while Anthony "The (derailed) A-Train" was toting the rock...can;t remember the exact game, but Dickie called his number three times from the one and nada......look how many youngsters McD uses without hesitation...and it sure as hell is paying dividends....

[Orlando Tim]

45 minutes ago, seven&nine said:

I like where McDermott is as a coach now - but I will never understand punting in OT against the Colts two years ago. It somehow worked out but that was the ultimate Jauron move.

That moment was were I thought of Jauron but he is mainly different in that he makes more adjustments and offensively he has built a team around his philosophy vs Jauron who seemed to do the opposite.

[Dopey]

All I know is McDermott's clapping is way cooler than Garrett's.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

It was a lazy analysis made by a few that was parroted by a few more.

 

He's nothing like Jauron.

 

There's one poster and one poster alone that started that nonsense. 

[billsfan_34]

Why start crap? 

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

Sean gets conservative with just grinding out small leads because he's got a great defense and he's insanely afraid of getting a turnover.

Example:  last week Denver game up 3 possessions with 7 minutes left he just runs straight ahead into a 10 man front over and over.   Not necessarily bad, just boring football.

 

He can seem JauronEsque for that approach.   

 

Got him 3 more wins than last year already tho....im not complaining.

It’s his job to win football games. Not run up the score for fantasy geeks jollies.

 

Winning is never boring.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Ethan in Cleveland]

He and Frazier are evolving. His defense was bend and don't break but now they are dialing up more pressure.  On offense, he is letting Daboll spread the field. Remember one of McD's first signings was an overpriced FB. McD now understands they need more points and that means being more aggressive. He has figured out you just can not win many games hoping to win 17-14. Need to score more.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Never was,

Never is,

Never will be.

[Steptide]

It's simply bills fans being conditioned to be out coached, out played and losing football games. I lived through all the jauron years, the loss to the steelers 3rd stringers, the Chan Gailey years, the Marone and Rex years. All of it conditioned us to expect loss once the bills show any kind of conservatism or they are losing. Even a part of me knowing the bills are 9-3, still has this slight fear that they'll find a way to screw it up. That's one thing I love about McDermott though, he's willing to swallow his pride when need be and make changes if necessary 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Steptide

[Da webster guy]

On 11/29/2019 at 3:10 PM, Binghamton Beast said:

It’s his job to win football games. Not run up the score for fantasy geeks jollies.

 

Winning is never boring.

 

True.

[GregPersons]

On 11/29/2019 at 12:55 PM, Steptide said:

It's simply bills fans being conditioned to be out coached, out played and losing football games. I lived through all the jauron years, the loss to the steelers 3rd stringers, the Chan Gailey years, the Marone and Rex years. All of it conditioned us to expect loss once the bills show any kind of conservatism or they are losing. Even a part of me knowing the bills are 9-3, still has this slight fear that they'll find a way to screw it up. That's one thing I love about McDermott though, he's willing to swallow his pride when need be and make changes if necessary 

 

Agreed. He's been surprisingly flexible and willing to make adjustments when things aren't working. It does seem like that should be something you could just expect as a standard from a coach but that hasn't been in the case always in the past, in Buffalo or any football coaches. They're generally pretty stubborn people but that's not always a strength, especially not for an organizational leader. Combine that with the ego involved with being a football coach, a job where you tell other people to do things that you could not do yourself, and telling them to do it better, then taking credit and being judged on how well the person-you-told did the thing they do. Like most organizational leaders, football coaches are all basically all dumbasses who are just good at taking credit for things they didn't do. Rex Ryan's accomplishments: My dad had a good job. I had a good job. Give me that job. But I digress.

 

Anyway in comparing them to each other, McDermott is less like Jauron to me and more of a mix of Marrone & Rex, but younger and healthier. I think it helps that McDermott is athletic himself so he seems to practice what he preaches... hearing about process and the attitude and attention to detail toward rote, repetitive activities ... Rex Ryan doing "trust the process" doesn't work because you're thinking, what process, liposuction? Sandal shopping? I'm not running a lap, you run a lap.