zow2 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Philly was one loss to the Bills away from their season falling to pieces and more in-fighting, Cleveland was one loss to the Bills away from having their season basically end and their coach/Baker getting roasted. Both teams came together and beat Buffalo. Can McDermott coach these guys up to play with the same type of intensity we will see out of Dallas? The Dallas coaches and team are getting openly criticized by their owner and the fans/media are creating such a pressure environment for this game. Meanwhile by comparison, the Bills are floating in on a cloud. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Cool 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 You’re right on the basic premise but that pretty much goes away the minute someone punches you in the mouth. Let’s hope the Bills punch first, and often. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, zow2 said: Philly was one loss to the Bills away from their season falling to pieces and more in-fighting, Cleveland was one loss to the Bills away from having their season basically end and their coach/Baker getting roasted. Both teams came together and beat Buffalo. Can McDermott coach these guys up to play with the same type of intensity we will see out of Dallas? The Dallas coaches and team are getting openly criticized by their owner and the fans/media are creating such a pressure environment for this game. Meanwhile by comparison, the Bills are floating in on a cloud. That's why they play the games I sort of see it differently. Against Philly, we had a head-scratching game plan to come out pass heavy and win the game on Allen's arm in crappy weather. It didn't work. The following week and last week in similar situations, we pounded the rock and it worked. Against the Browns, we came out with a similar head-scratching "let's put Singletary in the Barn and hang it on Allen's arm" formula and again, it didn't work. After that, the Bills offense seems to have had a "come to Jesus" meeting where we regrouped and simplified. Now we've put 2 games of that on tape. It really is going to come down to execution. We're a young team and we make mistakes at bad moments sometimes. If we lock in and execute, we can do this. Pressure is a two edged sword. It doesn't always amp you up, sometimes it cuts you. The Bills do seem kind of laid-back and smiley in their pressers, but hopefully the coaches chew their asses before the game and get them fired up. Being so dis-favored against a team with more losses ought to help. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, zow2 said: Philly was one loss to the Bills away from their season falling to pieces and more in-fighting, Cleveland was one loss to the Bills away from having their season basically end and their coach/Baker getting roasted. Both teams came together and beat Buffalo. Can McDermott coach these guys up to play with the same type of intensity we will see out of Dallas? The Dallas coaches and team are getting openly criticized by their owner and the fans/media are creating such a pressure environment for this game. Meanwhile by comparison, the Bills are floating in on a cloud. So Denver was under no pressure to save their season? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Keep repeating to yourselves... ‘Daboll in the booth! Daboll in the booth!’ EDIT: It can be said quietly, as a mantra. It can be chanted joyfully as a cheer. It can be angrily shouted as you storm the bastions at OBD. Edited November 27, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Instruction sheet. ? 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Keep repeating to yourselves... ‘Daboll in the booth! Daboll in the booth!’ Seems to have made quite the difference. Keep him upstairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 well, 3rd times a charm, so there is that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 38 minutes ago, zow2 said: Philly was one loss to the Bills away from their season falling to pieces and more in-fighting, Cleveland was one loss to the Bills away from having their season basically end and their coach/Baker getting roasted. Both teams came together and beat Buffalo. Can McDermott coach these guys up to play with the same type of intensity we will see out of Dallas? The Dallas coaches and team are getting openly criticized by their owner and the fans/media are creating such a pressure environment for this game. Meanwhile by comparison, the Bills are floating in on a cloud. also 0-2 on nationally televised games. Eagles and Browns were the North-East main feed and then some. In the future, so will the Steelers, Pats, and Ravens game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So Denver was under no pressure to save their season? 3-7 and no QB. Denver and everyone else knew it was over already. The OP raises a good point. The bar is a little higher on Thursday. Time to see what the Bills are made of. A win against this Cowboys team in Dallas in prime time would be their most impressive of the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: 3-7 and no QB. Denver and everyone else knew it was over already. The OP raises a good point. The bar is a little higher on Thursday. Time to see what the Bills are made of. A win against this Cowboys team in Dallas in prime time would be their most impressive of the season. I'm just saying the premise of this thread smacks of reverse engineering. Edited November 27, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Virgil said: also 0-2 on nationally televised games. Eagles and Browns were the North-East main feed and then some. In the future, so will the Steelers, Pats, and Ravens game Not that fan perception matters much in the grand scheme of things, but I would love to show America that we’re for real on Thursday. If you read some Cowboys commentary from their fans, a lot of them watched our one (somewhat) recent game that was shown to more than just the city of Buffalo and whatever city we’re playing.. Philadelphia. Having that game be their basis, along with the narrative that we haven’t beaten anybody good makes it easy to see why they scoff at the notion our offense can do much of anything and our defense, that decided to let Philly run and screen us to death, is anything close to elite. Edited November 27, 2019 by SCBills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, zow2 said: Philly was one loss to the Bills away from their season falling to pieces and more in-fighting, Cleveland was one loss to the Bills away from having their season basically end and their coach/Baker getting roasted. Both teams came together and beat Buffalo. Can McDermott coach these guys up to play with the same type of intensity we will see out of Dallas? The Dallas coaches and team are getting openly criticized by their owner and the fans/media are creating such a pressure environment for this game. Meanwhile by comparison, the Bills are floating in on a cloud. Cleveland is a much better team than their record shows, their problem terrible terrible coaching! But they have turned it around. (Oh they have also beaten the Ravens and in a blowout type fashion! ) Philly is a good team when healthy, the last few weeks they been playing with 2nd and 3rd stringers a lot. Also I’m not a huge fan of their HC.. but he isn’t terrible. Dallas, has more talent than both those teams on D and have some amazing talent on O.. (with one of the. Eat O lines in football) With their talent level they should be 10-1 or at worse 8-3.. why are they 6-5.. I dare say their HC! Going for a FG when you need a TD to win? Knowing your O struggled all day to move the ball.. ya he is toast after this year. so all 3 teams have amazing talent and are more than capable of winning purely on that. Dallas by every right should beat down the Bills based on talent alone! Will they? NOPE.. why? Because Garrett will do something stupid like throw the ball when Elliot is getting huge gains on the ground or run the ball when Dak is carving up the secondary.. the Bills huge advantage is better HC, and hopefully a better game plan. (Run Singletary a lot, Michel averaged 4.5 a carry in that miserable weather Sunday.. ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The Bills are 8-3 against teams who also play in the NFL. I get the hand wringing to a certain extent...but c'mon now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, zow2 said: Philly was one loss to the Bills away from their season falling to pieces and more in-fighting, Cleveland was one loss to the Bills away from having their season basically end and their coach/Baker getting roasted. Both teams came together and beat Buffalo. Can McDermott coach these guys up to play with the same type of intensity we will see out of Dallas? The Dallas coaches and team are getting openly criticized by their owner and the fans/media are creating such a pressure environment for this game. Meanwhile by comparison, the Bills are floating in on a cloud. I’ve been talking about this all week. For as easy as the Bills schedule has been they have played a few pretty good teams in absolute, must-win, games. That definitely makes it tougher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 No doubt players will want to play hard for the coach after the criticism by Jerry. Also if they lose this one there could be a change at head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yeah both of those teams were more desperate than us and it showed. Hoping we match the energy tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) If the Bills continue to run plays like they have the last 2 games they will have a good chance at winning the game. IMO the lack of use of Singletary and the running game overall in those 2 losses made a difference (think he was also injured for one of them). The play calling has seemingly gotten better and also the execution has been better. It's as if this offense needed some time to click with all the new players. In any event, as long as that continues with the execution and better play calling, these losses to the "desperate" teams should come to a halt. Edited November 27, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Cleveland is a much better team than their record shows, their problem terrible terrible coaching! But they have turned it around. (Oh they have also beaten the Ravens and in a blowout type fashion! ) Philly is a good team when healthy, the last few weeks they been playing with 2nd and 3rd stringers a lot. Also I’m not a huge fan of their HC.. but he isn’t terrible. Dallas, has more talent than both those teams on D and have some amazing talent on O.. (with one of the. Eat O lines in football) With their talent level they should be 10-1 or at worse 8-3.. why are they 6-5.. I dare say their HC! Going for a FG when you need a TD to win? Knowing your O struggled all day to move the ball.. ya he is toast after this year. so all 3 teams have amazing talent and are more than capable of winning purely on that. Dallas by every right should beat down the Bills based on talent alone! Will they? NOPE.. why? Because Garrett will do something stupid like throw the ball when Elliot is getting huge gains on the ground or run the ball when Dak is carving up the secondary.. the Bills huge advantage is better HC, and hopefully a better game plan. (Run Singletary a lot, Michel averaged 4.5 a carry in that miserable weather Sunday.. ) I think our talent is actually underrated. If we were a national game team, going by recent play, lots of people would know the names of Jordan Phillips, Ed Oliver, Shaq Lawson, Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, Tre White, Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer. Many would also know how well Josh Allen has been playing, plus the strong rookie season for Devin Singletary, as well as the vet WR’s: John Brown and Cole Beasley. We also have a strong OL, which doesn’t get much recognition, but is a key to our improved offense, allowing Daboll/Allen to execute. I’m not saying we’re one of the most talented teams in the league. On Offense, a lot still rides on Allen and Daboll, but we’re not far away. I get your point though... Healthy Cleveland and healthy Philly have the ability to just out-talent other teams, but have had coaching or injuries hold them back. Edited November 27, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, billsherd said: No doubt players will want to play hard for the coach after the criticism by Jerry. Also if they lose this one there could be a change at head coach. Maybe they want a change at head coach.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think the Bills will get run off the field because it’s superior competition and when they’ve played teams of superior talent they have buckled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm just saying the prwmise of this thread smacks of reverse engineering. The OP seems to lack the belief that the Bills can pull it off, but ultimately it’s a legitimate question. The Bills have been playing disciplined football and Allen has shown improvement so let’s see where they are. I’m looking forward to it. (And I’ll take this opportunity to apologize in advance for jinxing the Bills with my optimism.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Doomed! I think it’s more to do with the fact that the three teams in question are very talented with high expectations and therefore are/were seen as underachieving and it led to the internal/external pressure and dysfunction. the talent won out, not the discord. Edited November 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The OP seems to lack the belief that the Bills can pull it off, but ultimately it’s a legitimate question. The Bills have been playing disciplined football and Allen has shown improvement so let’s see where they are. I’m looking forward to it. (And I’ll take this opportunity to apologize in advance for jinxing the Bills with my optimism.) I absolutely think the Bills can win this. Just need to see it happen against another good, talented opponent who’s coach and team performance Has been publicly criticized by ownership and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: I think the Bills will get run off the field because it’s superior competition and when they’ve played teams of superior talent they have buckled. Pats/Browns were 50/50 games that we simply lost.. both went down to the wire. Philly is, by far, the worst game we’ve played all season. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: So Denver was under no pressure to save their season? No they weren't - their season was already over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Valid point. The Eagles and Browns were under an inordinate amount of PR pressure the week we played them. Dallas' HC may not have a job in a week or two. And the team was called out by its owner. Let's see how we both react in the national spotlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's why they play the games I sort of see it differently. Against Philly, we had a head-scratching game plan to come out pass heavy and win the game on Allen's arm in crappy weather. It didn't work. The following week and last week in similar situations, we pounded the rock and it worked. Against the Browns, we came out with a similar head-scratching "let's put Singletary in the Barn and hang it on Allen's arm" formula and again, it didn't work. After that, the Bills offense seems to have had a "come to Jesus" meeting where we regrouped and simplified. Now we've put 2 games of that on tape. It really is going to come down to execution. We're a young team and we make mistakes at bad moments sometimes. If we lock in and execute, we can do this. Pressure is a two edged sword. It doesn't always amp you up, sometimes it cuts you. The Bills do seem kind of laid-back and smiley in their pressers, but hopefully the coaches chew their asses before the game and get them fired up. Being so dis-favored against a team with more losses ought to help. Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think the Bills CAN win but I’m not very optimistic because I think highly of Dak Prescott and that OL. They have so many options on offense. If this was at home, I’d be more inclined to think we have a better chance. I don’t think it’s a good matchup. But a turnover here or there and it’s a game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The Bills are 0-0 in games that start at 4:30 est. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) so they've lost to the far better teams and beaten up and squeaked out by a razor thin margin on the garbage cans and been meh on the in-between teams, gotta sweep all those games... Edited November 27, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Well one dominated us on the ground and the other squeaked out a win we could have easily won. The team that dominated us doesn't appear to be all that good. But I think they have a good coaching staff. The team that squeaked out a win played probably the toughest first half schedule of all 32 teams which included a win over Baltimore. I see the Browns going on a run to end the season. Will they win out? Probably not. But a 6-1 finish is not out of the question for them. But unfortunately for them it looks like they have no margin for error. As for Dallas. I have had a great feeling about this game since the season started really. That included while Dallas looked great the first three weeks. Nothing has changed my mind in thinking this will be a close game coming down to a final possession. I think tomorrows game is a lot like the Browns game but with more scoring from both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Well one dominated us on the ground and the other squeaked out a win we could have easily won. The team that dominated us doesn't appear to be all that good. But I think they have a good coaching staff. The team that squeaked out a win played probably the toughest first half schedule of all 32 teams which included a win over Baltimore. I see the Browns going on a run to end the season. Will they win out? Probably not. But a 6-1 finish is not out of the question for them. But unfortunately for them it looks like they have no margin for error. As for Dallas. I have had a great feeling about this game since the season started really. That included while Dallas looked great the first three weeks. Nothing has changed my mind in thinking this will be a close game coming down to a final possession. I think tomorrows game is a lot like the Browns game but with more scoring from both teams. could have easily won.... ROTGLMAO it's the NFL, sport!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the Bills CAN win but I’m not very optimistic because I think highly of Dak Prescott and that OL. They have so many options on offense. If this was at home, I’d be more inclined to think we have a better chance. I don’t think it’s a good matchup. But a turnover here or there and it’s a game. Honestly, I think they have a lot of big names who's hype is bigger than their play. They are not terrible by any means but Jerry is acting like he has put together a super team and can't believe they could be 6-5 with the players on the roster. I expect the Bills to be in the game to the final second. I'll be disappointed if this looks like the Philly game but indoors. 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: could have easily won.... ROTGLMAO it's the NFL, sport!!! Not sure why you find the comment so amusing. You didn't comprehend my point. I'm comparing the two losses that the OP mentioned. I'm simply making the obvious observation that we did not get boat raced out of the stadium like we did against Philly. It was a competitive game. Do you disagree with that? And I expect a similar competitive game against Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Honestly, I think they have a lot of big names who's hype is bigger than their play. They are not terrible by any means but Jerry is acting like he has put together a super team and can't believe they could be 6-5 with the players on the roster. I expect the Bills to be in the game to the final second. I'll be disappointed if this looks like the Philly game but indoors. Not sure why you find the comment so amusing. You didn't comprehend my point. I'm comparing the two losses that the OP mentioned. I'm simply making the obvious observation that we did not get boat raced out of the stadium like we did against Philly. It was a competitive game. Do you disagree with that? And I expect a similar competitive game against Dallas. it was never in doubt teams don't go full out to squish an opponent this isn't Wi or XBox make sure next team you are better prepped and committed to winning and do your best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: No they weren't - their season was already over. Was it? All I read was how they were the better team and they were going to beat the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 When we turned the corner in the late 80’s the Bills believed they could beat any team on any given Sunday. I think that is the thought process now- I think Dallas will be a tough battle but we can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jpsredemption said: I think the Bills will get run off the field because it’s superior competition and when they’ve played teams of superior talent they have buckled. You can actually say that about the Cowboys. They have to yet to beat a team with a winning record, and when they play teams with superior talent, they have buckled. The difference between the Bills and the Cowboys is at least the Bills made some changes after they buckled. Will Garrett? Edited November 27, 2019 by IDBillzFan 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: The difference between the Bills and the Cowboys is at least the Bills made some changes after they buckled. Dayboll in the booth! Daboll in the booth! Dayboll in the booth! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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