John Brown is leading the AFC in receiving

[BillsBlue]

Yet many on here think Josh Allen is trash ?? Look at what Josh can do with a wr who is a number 2 on a third of NFL rosters. Josh has been passing the eyeball test for me, I don't care about the stats I can see it. The kid is elite, his precision and touch from 1-20 yards is unreal. The rest will come with time but why not get first downs on first or second down as Daboll says. If We can get he another top tier outside wr and some more line help as well as another bruise ng back to pair with singletary that can also catch look the hell out. 

[Fixxxer]

39 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

8th in the NFL

 

Here is my link, feel free to post yours.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYards/dir/desc

 

Michael Thomas with a 88% catch percentage is insane. John Brown is at 65% in case people were wondering.

 

BTW, John Brown career catch percentage average before this year is 50%

Edited November 18, 2019 by Fixxxer

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, 19Bills83 said:

I thought we needed a #1 WR though?

 

I was wrong calling for a #1 WR because Brown does fit that bill.  But what we desperately need is physical diversity at WR.  When Brown, Beasley & McKenzie are out there we must have the SMALLEST WR group in the NFL.  This robs the O of additional ways to chew up yards & generate TD's.  We desperately need a fast, big bodied guy that can get us some 50/50 balls on the deep passes and shield the DB from the ball on those quick throws into tight coverage.

 

Now the obvious answer is Duke Williams so why isn't he even active on recent Sunday's?  My only conclusion is that there's a problem we're not aware of.  Either physical or he's just not getting the plays down. 

 

 

[19Bills83]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I was wrong calling for a #1 WR because Brown does fit that bill.  But what we desperately need is physical diversity at WR.  When Brown, Beasley & McKenzie are out there we must have the SMALLEST WR group in the NFL.  This robs the O of additional ways to chew up yards & generate TD's.  We desperately need a fast, big bodied guy that can get us some 50/50 balls on the deep passes and shield the DB from the ball on those quick throws into tight coverage.

 

Now the obvious answer is Duke Williams so why isn't he even active on recent Sunday's?  My only conclusion is that there's a problem we're not aware of.  Either physical or he's just not getting the plays down. 

 

 

No idea on Duke either, he is your man to fight for a ball too. Would be a great RZ weapon if utilized proper.

I was hoping Foster would turn into that Goodwin role. It could still happen if Allen can just get's his deep balls going again.

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by 19Bills83

[Luka]

He's Josh's number 1 option at the moment and it was great to see Josh not shying away from him. Just throw him the ball. I still think a big and physical guy that can make the acrobatic catches, the 50/50 ball along the sidelines and in the endzone should be a priority this off season. The Bills still need that reason for teams to play zone. A lot of DCs have taken their chances and played man to man and blitzed Allen because they feel they have favorable matchups in the secondary. You put a bigger guy on the other side that teams feel like they have to double to keep their corner from getting "Mossed" down the side line and you completely open up the offense. Allen's arm strength has proven time and again that it can shred zone defenses at all three levels. 

[Jasovon]

This absolutely shocks me. What a free agent signing. 

[JimKellyTryouts]

He could - dare I say should? - have even more yards with some missed plays and deep shots over the season. It makes me giddy to think about for the remainder of this year and seasons to come. 

[vincec]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

Why do you think Tyreek Hill is doing so well?

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fantasy owners foiled once again. 

 

DJ Chark at 10 lol. I just want him to know that I have full control over his stats. If I bench him he balls out. If I start him he does nothing. Never. Fails. 

Keep him benched, I traded Derek Carr for him last week because was worried about Jermaine Kearse's health and Chark helped me win this week. 

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

Can someone else emerge this season to help him out?

 

Cole Beasley is solid underneath.

 

The problem has been another receiver hasn’t really been there.

 

Can Dawson Knox be that second guy moving forward?

 

Or is this problem only solved with the 2020 offseason?

 

I don't see a major breakout or upgrade happening to help alleviate the burden on Brown, Beasley, and Knox. I thought Robert Foster might come up and pop a few chunk plays now and again which would help the core a bit to have someone else be a downfield threat. But in 2020 they are going to have to find another weapon in the receiving core. I think Knox could handle the TE position in 2020 (although a true vet backup would be nice, someone in Kroft's role but actually good.) 

 

But if there is no help coming at WR. 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Foster is a slow starter, but after about 10 games....watch out! 

 

He looked like a TOTALLY different player at the end of last year. I miss that guy! No idea what the difference is. 

 

Appears like an old machine he needs a kick to get started but unfortunately the kicker is in Kansas City.

[TPS]

3 hours ago, eball said:

If only we had a #1...

 

I kid, I kid, of course it would be nice to have another stud to complement Brown but after 10 weeks you can no longer say it's a fluke.  The dude can ball and isn't just a "deep threat."

yeah, me-thinks mckenzie doesn't strike fear in the hearts of our opponents...

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

yeah, me-thinks mckenzie doesn't strike fear in the hearts of our opponents...

Certainly not the Broncos who cut him.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, TigerJ said:

AFC, not NFL.  Still, that's pretty impressive.  Brown has always been good, but the Bills figured out he's not just a one trick pony (deep ball specialist).

if you look at the routes he ran sunday, you have to be impressed.
We had and have nay saers about his skill set. But he sure looks darned good to me in many an aspect.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I was wrong calling for a #1 WR because Brown does fit that bill.  But what we desperately need is physical diversity at WR.  When Brown, Beasley & McKenzie are out there we must have the SMALLEST WR group in the NFL.  This robs the O of additional ways to chew up yards & generate TD's.  We desperately need a fast, big bodied guy that can get us some 50/50 balls on the deep passes and shield the DB from the ball on those quick throws into tight coverage.

 

Now the obvious answer is Duke Williams so why isn't he even active on recent Sunday's?  My only conclusion is that there's a problem we're not aware of.  Either physical or he's just not getting the plays down. 

 

 

EVERYONE wants a Big Fast Guys who catch the contested ball

 is Randy Moss available.

 I suspect we might see some Duke before season end.

 and maybe some foster again. hope they are both inspired by Mr Brown

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't see a major breakout or upgrade happening to help alleviate the burden on Brown, Beasley, and Knox. I thought Robert Foster might come up and pop a few chunk plays now and again which would help the core a bit to have someone else be a downfield threat. But in 2020 they are going to have to find another weapon in the receiving core. I think Knox could handle the TE position in 2020 (although a true vet backup would be nice, someone in Kroft's role but actually good.) 

 

But if there is no help coming at WR. 

Sweeney.

 : )

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

yeah, me-thinks mckenzie doesn't strike fear in the hearts of our opponents...

He is a gadget guy. 
Brown looks good. 
love to see AJ, Brown and Cole lined up next year with Knox at TE and Singletary in the backfield. And an OC who knows how to keep everyone happy by getting them touches.

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Certainly not the Broncos who cut him.

Ooh the McKittrick Revenge Game! 

[Reed83HOF]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Reported

26CB never had these gaffes

[VW82]

Our whole receiving core (Brown, Beasley, Knox, Mckenzie) is underrated. None of them are traditional WR1 but they all regularly get open.  

Edited November 19, 2019 by VW82

[Troll Toll]

To me, this thread is more of a credit to Josh Allen than John Brown. Get some top tier receivers like Mike Evans in Buffalo and watch Josh ball!

[RyanC883]

Brown has been a stud.  

 

Esp. considering that he is likely drawing significant coverage from the other teams secondary.  

[JoPoy88]

18 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

To me, this thread is more of a credit to Josh Allen than John Brown. Get some top tier receivers like Mike Evans in Buffalo and watch Josh ball!

i know when allen was throwing all those interceptions early in the year that was on the receivers too right? Lol. Good screenname btw. Suits you. Can you not give Brown credit where credit’s deserved? He was off to a career year in BAL last year until Lamar was thrown in there before they taught him how to pass. Cmon my man

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Since the New England game, the prescription for beating the Bills' offense has been to play Cover three with man coverage on the outside.  That has meant John Brown just needed to be able to beat man coverage, which he can do against a lot of DBs.  If his success forces defenses to double up on Brown, or shift to more of a zone look, that will open up things somewhere else.  Hopefully, Josh will have the ability to make the reads and adjust.  That will mean opportunities for others.

Maybe it's been pointed out already, but "Cover-3 with man coverage on the outside" doesn't fully make sense. 

 

Cover-3 resembles man coverage on the boundaries in many ways, but it's different. If you combine the Cover-3 and "man coverage on the outside" what you're really proposing is a Cover-ONE man scheme, which I agree IS a smart defense against the Bills.

[Troll Toll]

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

i know when allen was throwing all those interceptions early in the year that was on the receivers too right? Lol. Good screenname btw. Suits you. Can you not give Brown credit where credit’s deserved? He was off to a career year in BAL last year until Lamar was thrown in there before they taught him how to pass. Cmon my man

The receivers have regularly dropped passes that hit them in the hands and have been outmuscled by bigger defensive backs. A lot of the passes Josh completes to Brown are due to Josh’s anticipation. Brown has not had numbers this good with any other QB. I’m shocked that there is anyone that can bash Allen for maximizing John Brown’s production, but to each their own.

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

The receivers have regularly dropped passes that hit them in the hands and have been outmuscled by bigger defensive backs. A lot of the passes Josh completes to Brown are due to Josh’s anticipation. Brown has not had numbers this good with any other QB. I’m shocked that there is anyone that can bash Allen for maximizing John Brown’s production, but to each their own.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear - Allen gets most of the credit and it’s well deserved. I also think Brown is a bit underrated and none of the drops earlier in the year are really on him (we can blame Zay, Beasley, and Knox for most of those.) I just wince at trying to boost the opinion that Allen is 100% responsible for Brown’s emergence. Again, look at the numbers from BAL last year before flacco got benched. 
 

but Allen was ballin’ on Sunday no question about it.

 

EDIT: and full disclosure, i’ve been a huge John Brown fan since his days in Arizona.

Edited November 19, 2019 by JoPoy88

[transplantbillsfan]

From Fairburn in The Athletic:

 

Stats that matter

78.6

That’s the percentage of John Brown’s reception that have resulted in a first down. Of players who have at least two catches per game, that ranks ninth in the NFL. Brown may not be the prototypical No. 1 receiver, but he’s producing like one this season. If he keeps performing at this pace, he has a chance to best Eric Moulds’ single-season franchise record of 1,368 receiving yards. With 817 yards through 10 games, Brown should at least become Buffalo’s first 1,200-yard receiver since Lee Evans in 2006. Sunday was Brown’s best game yet, as he put up 137 yards and two touchdowns.

[billspro]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Potential worry is that he will start to be double teamed and we have no real viable threat on the outside unless they can get Foster going. They’ve been using Mckenzie a lot but he’s not a real WR2 more of a WR 4

 

I would think teams are doubling him already, we don’t really have another weapon. Either that or they don’t have to bodies to double cover him because they are worried about Allen running. Either way he should be able to keep it up. 

[vincec]

5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Maybe it's been pointed out already, but "Cover-3 with man coverage on the outside" doesn't fully make sense. 

 

Cover-3 resembles man coverage on the boundaries in many ways, but it's different. If you combine the Cover-3 and "man coverage on the outside" what you're really proposing is a Cover-ONE man scheme, which I agree IS a smart defense against the Bills.

I haven't really studied it carefully, but do the Bills really get that much man coverage underneath with a QB who can run like Allen? What do they do, leave a spy on him?

[CSBill]

13 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

well, how do you get Foster going with ZERO offensive snaps?

 

Foster is the most perplexing player usage ever in my memory...too bad we don't get to see practice...

 

I would add, Foster and Williams. At least Williams was productive when he was out there. And certainly Foster was last year when given significant playing time. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma ??????

Edited November 19, 2019 by CSBill

[CSBill]

10 hours ago, TPS said:

yeah, me-thinks mckenzie doesn't strike fear in the hearts of our opponents...

 

All I know, is when he touches the football the excitement level goes up. His quickness is unmatched, when they get the ball to him in space, really good things happen. Daboll has used him well this season, but I do not recall any Jet Sweeps on Sunday, did I miss that?

[Halloween Land]

Kelce leads to AFC after last night

[Chandler#81]

13 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

 

Mckenzie shouldn't even be a WR4. I really don't get why Duke Williams isn't on the gameday roster. 

 

I wonder what the price would be to get a guy like Mike Evans 

Last chance to play nice with other kids. Not telling you again, young man!

[TPS]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

All I know, is when he touches the football the excitement level goes up. His quickness is unmatched, when they get the ball to him in space, really good things happen. Daboll has used him well this season, but I do not recall any Jet Sweeps on Sunday, did I miss that?

No sweeps. As many have noted, they need someone who is a legitimate WR on the other side. McKenzie can still do his role part-time...

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Halloween Land said:

Kelce leads to AFC after last night

Still hasn’t had his bye yet. Think it comes this week. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Still hasn’t had his bye yet. Think it comes this week. 

Yes they are off this week

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

FAKE NEWS

 

We all know Smoke Brown isn't a #1 WR and Josh Allen is inaccurate as hell.    

 

Kudo's Mr Brown 

[Fan in Chicago]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Very nice! On pace for 1300 yards for the (regular) season. That's really good. 

[Stank_Nasty]

espn has a "best at everything" article today judging the NFL's best at 60 different categories....

 

Best wide receiver by route: hitch

John Brown, Buffalo Bills

Brown most notably recorded two hitch-route first downs against Cleveland in Week 10, as he has been unstoppable on the route this season. He has more yards and first downs than any other receiver on hitches, hauling in 16 catches for 193 yards and 12 first downs.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

“Watch this dude, he's a number one wide receiver. John Brown deserves your respect.” Let 'em know, @KyleBrandt!

 

GMFB Brightest Stars: John Brown

 

vid in the GMFB Love thread 

[Mr. WEO]

TB has 2 WR in the top 3 and they are 3-7