Is Brady Done?

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Who cares about Brady their D is Legit! 

[Just Joshin']

The Broncos part duex.  Aging, accurate QB who makes good decisions rise a great D to victory.  Hopefully story ends differently.

[wppete]

He looks old and slow. A few more hard hits on all out Blitz he is done. 

[Greg S]

NE is being carried by their D. Brady looks more like a game manager. He might be capable of having a great game once in a while but his skills are definitely declining. At 42 that is understandable.

[The Jokeman]

17 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I could see some team actually doin that though.  Lol I could see Miami doing it just to have him mentor the player they draft in the mid to late 1st round. (I see them drafting Tua and him sitting the first year to get fully healthy then taking over 1/2 way threw the second year.) 

 

I am fully prepared see him walk after this year, it will suck because like Kelly did with the Bills I was hoping Brady do with the Pats.. retire playing for just one team.

There was a brief time that people thought Kelly was going to sign with the Ravens and reunite with Marchibroda. Yet I fully expect Brady to retire as a Pat. I'm thinking this or next year will be his final year. 

[Gordio]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Oh Brady definitely on the 17th or 18th hole for his career, I think he realizes that as well.   I think he was upset yesterday because the offense, and him, let the team down left way to many chances go by and. Settled for FG. 
 

I fully expect see Stidham under center next year for the Patriots. I think Brady retires or gets offered some crazy 2 year deal from another team.  (Why can I see Chicago offering him 2 years 60 mill guaranteed) I hope I’m wrong because seeing Brady in another r Jersey as bad as seeing Montana as a Chief.

 

 

Yeah that would be weird seeing him in another jersey.  If that is the case why not just retire.  He has nothing left to prove or accomplish.  He has done it all.  

[The Jokeman]

27 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Yeah that would be weird seeing him in another jersey.  If that is the case why not just retire.  He has nothing left to prove or accomplish.  He has done it all.  

Brady's the type that he wants to finish as the best, in terms of Super Bowl rings in terms of QB records etc. He's a competitor and has a major chip on his shoulder to prove he's the best so that's why I think he keeps playing to have as many QB records as he can and be as "good" as his idol Joe Montana was.

[Livinginthepast]

Its always been Brady's quick thinking on his feet and ability to understand what he is facing (in an instant)  in a defense that has been his greatest asset. I don't see any decline there at all. His pocket presence is still decent and he still is able to avoid the sack for the most part. Passing accuracy and strength has dropped off but he is probably at the level of a 35 year old Qb now. As long as he has weapons on offense and a great D, he unfortunately will continue to dominate.

[PatsFanNH]

9 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Its always been Brady's quick thinking on his feet and ability to understand what he is facing (in an instant)  in a defense that has been his greatest asset. I don't see any decline there at all. His pocket presence is still decent and he still is able to avoid the sack for the most part. Passing accuracy and strength has dropped off but he is probably at the level of a 35 year old Qb now. As long as he has weapons on offense and a great D, he unfortunately will continue to dominate.

I don’t think he has had the weapons on O this year like in the past, outside of Edelman and White the rest have not emerged.  I think Sanu could but who knows.  If they win it all this year Brady retires (just my opinion) if they don’t he comes back for 1 more year just try get 7 rings and have 1 more title than any other NFL Franchise.  The O line been horrid this year as well with our Backup LT House.. who well stinks.. 

[May Day 10]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I don’t think he has had the weapons on O this year like in the past, outside of Edelman and White the rest have not emerged.  I think Sanu could but who knows.  If they win it all this year Brady retires (just my opinion) if they don’t he comes back for 1 more year just try get 7 rings and have 1 more title than any other NFL Franchise.  The O line been horrid this year as well with our Backup LT House.. who well stinks.. 

 

How many times has he been loaded with or needed weapons though?  Outside of Gronkowski and a year of Randy Moss, everything is replaceable (including Edelman).  

 

It is all about scheme and Brady's cerebral ability and preparation.  

 

Losing Gronkowski hurts bad at this age.  Just need to chuck it anywhere near him and he goes and gets it.  The offense clearly isn't the same, and it leaves Brady a bit more on the hook to make better throws.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I don’t think he has had the weapons on O this year like in the past, outside of Edelman and White the rest have not emerged.  I think Sanu could but who knows.  If they win it all this year Brady retires (just my opinion) if they don’t he comes back for 1 more year just try get 7 rings and have 1 more title than any other NFL Franchise.  The O line been horrid this year as well with our Backup LT House.. who well stinks.. 

 

Their offensive line is really the issue.  Killing their screen game, their run game, and pass game.  They have no weapons outside of edelman and running backs - and they have no time to try and get the ball to the sanu's and harry's down the field. 

 

I think they'll continue doing what they do - stockpiling picks from free agent losses and buying low on veterans- but adding a young QB has to be somewhat of a priority at this point.  Maybe Dalton or Mariota?  Bridgewater?  

[/dev/null]

Brady has been "on the decline" for several seasons.  But the thing with Brady, his "decline" is still better than most QBs prime

[blacklabel]

I'd say he's not done but I think the end is in sight. In his prime, you could've paired him up with a couple of D-II receivers and he would've made All-Pro's out of them. Now, it's the other way around, he kinda needs some really solid pass catchers because he's not really elevating the play of his receivers like he used to. I certainly don't see him reaching age 46 or 47 or whatever he's been talking about lately. He can eat all the avocado ice cream he wants but, inevitably, age will catch up.  

[PatsFanNH]

10 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

How many times has he been loaded with or needed weapons though?  Outside of Gronkowski and a year of Randy Moss, everything is replaceable (including Edelman).  

 

It is all about scheme and Brady's cerebral ability and preparation.  

 

Losing Gronkowski hurts bad at this age.  Just need to chuck it anywhere near him and he goes and gets it.  The offense clearly isn't the same, and it leaves Brady a bit more on the hook to make better throws.  

I agree completely! Add in an O line just not playing well, I think because NewHouse is just trash. (I mean if Scar can’t make you average Or better you have be beyond bad.) so add in less time to throw and it’s a mess on O for him. Wynn suppose be back this week so hopefully he is better than hot trash Newhouse and Brady gets that extra 1/2 second find the open man or even better they can run the dang ball again.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

After 10 weeks he has only 14 TDs, how many people had Josh with only 1 Passing TD less than Brady through 10 weeks? 10 TDs through week 5,  4 TDs  since or half his TDs(7) came in the first 3 weeks of the season. He's now 21st in QB Rating. First time in a long time that the Pats*** are winning in spite of Brady's play.

[Captain Hindsight]

He looks like Manning did his last year. Clearly lost some zip, but still smart enough to get the ball where it needed to be and minimized mistakes. He is clearly not the threat he has been

 

We all knew it would happen eventually. I thinks his age is a big reason why Cody Kessler is in NE. Rest his arm a bit in practice

1 hour ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Yeah that would be weird seeing him in another jersey.  If that is the case why not just retire.  He has nothing left to prove or accomplish.  He has done it all.  

I think Tom Terrific has no plan beyond football. Retirement might be really hard for a guy like him. He only knows how to compete. Take that away, and I'm not sure what he does 

[Gugny]

I won't believe Brady is done until he is retired and stays retired for at least two seasons.

 

He's like a human hosta.  No matter how hard you try, you can't keep him down.

[Da webster guy]

17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean Peyton Manning was pretty done during his last SB winning season.

 

Yes he was for sure.  It was pretty bad, his arm just lost its pop and declined rapidly.

 

I think he had like 13 passes in the superbowl, but that defense carried em all the way thru.

16 hours ago, theAteam said:

He's like the ultimate game manager at this point. He will absolutely not lose you a game. He's pretty much an OC with his IQ so he can win them a game but against good defenses he's just not making the insane throws he used to.

 

I dont know man, he threw a brutal rookie type pick to Micah Hyde in the end zone and threw another one just like it yesterday to a philly dback but the guy dropped it.

He's not mistake free any more in the few games i've watched him.

[TheFunPolice]

The Manning comparison is apt...

 

Look at his game by game 2015 stats... It's like someone flipped the light switch off midseason

 

Brady looks old, slow and uncomfortable to me. Still, he and that team are dangerous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Their offensive line is really the issue.  Killing their screen game, their run game, and pass game.  They have no weapons outside of edelman and running backs - and they have no time to try and get the ball to the sanu's and harry's down the field. 

 

I think they'll continue doing what they do - stockpiling picks from free agent losses and buying low on veterans- but adding a young QB has to be somewhat of a priority at this point.  Maybe Dalton or Mariota?  Bridgewater?  

As someone who has Sony Michel on his fantasy team, it is very much about the line. He is a legit good back, but he's not getting any room to run at all -- the opposite of last year. He has gone from 4.5 ypc last year to 3.3 this year. He's a young, very talented guy and he's not injured. It's not as if he suddenly became a lot worse.   It totally hamstrings their offense. 

8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

The Manning comparison is apt...

 

Look at his game by game 2015 stats... It's like someone flipped the light switch off midseason

 

Brady looks old, slow and uncomfortable to me. Still, he and that team are dangerous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he looks the same as he did last season, but the line and quality of the receiving corps have nosedived. I will say that Ben Watson looks like a professional football player out there, and he's an upgrade over what was there before his re-signing. I mean, Izzo was playing TE, and he stinks outside of ST.

Edited November 18, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

As someone who has Sony Michel on his fantasy team, it is very much about the line. He is a legit good back, but he's not getting any room to run at all -- the opposite of last year. He has gone from 4.5 ypc last year to 3.3 this year. He's a young, very talented guy and he's not injured. It's not as if he suddenly became a lot worse.   It totally hamstrings their offense. 

I think he looks the same as he did last season, but the line and quality of the receiving corps have nosedived. I will say that Ben Watson looks like a professional football player out there, and he's an upgrade over what was there before his re-signing. I mean, Izzo was playing TE, and he stinks outside of ST.

 

They have had 17 different players catch a pass this year.  Their leading non-edelman WR is dorsett.  Gordon didn't do much, and sanu is new.  They need Harry to step up, and they need to find a LT who doesn't flat out stink.

[ColoradoBills]

I am looking forward to how the Pats* offense plays the next 3 games (Cowboys Texans Chiefs).

[starrymessenger]

He now reminds me a lot of Fitz.

Except with a (still) better arm, more talent to work with, and a better OC. Fitz has better mobility.

I think Fitz would be pretty good in that O.

Brady will be happy to get his tackle back. I can't believe what a turnstile that Newhouse guy is.

[frostbitmic]

Don't worry about Major Tom ... he'll have Gronkowski back soon.

[Nick the Greek]

9 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

The Broncos part duex.  Aging, accurate QB who makes good decisions rise a great D to victory.  Hopefully story ends differently.

Eh.. Manning wasn’t that good. He was benched during that season in favor of Osweiler, and eventually won the job back. 
 

Osweiler actually played good, getting them needed wins to get them to the playoffs. 

Brady hasn’t needed to get bailed out by the backup.. yet.  

 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

He now reminds me a lot of Fitz.

Except with a (still) better arm, more talent to work with, and a better OC. Fitz has better mobility.

I think Fitz would be pretty good in that O.

Brady will be happy to get his tackle back. I can't believe what a turnstile that Newhouse guy is.

Fitz's issues are he ends up playing hero ball at the end of games which usually turn into turnovers. He just doesn't have a great NFL arm but he thinks he does. Kelly was similar at the end of his career yet Fitz never had Kelly's early success. 

22 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said:

Eh.. Manning wasn’t that good. He was benched during that season in favor of Osweiler, and eventually won the job back. 
 

Osweiler actually played good, getting them needed wins to get them to the playoffs. 

Brady hasn’t needed to get bailed out by the backup.. yet.  

 

I agree Peyton was a turnover machine towards the end yet the Broncos D was playing at such a high level. The Patriots D is playing at a high level too but have shown they can be beatable. Romo said it perfectly yesterday, when playing the Patriots you need an unexpected player to play great to beat the Pats. It's back when we had Fitz and Chandler had great games against them. Maybe Knox will show up in our next meeting or Singletary will show some things. 

[Bing Bong]

GOD WILLING

[starrymessenger]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Fitz's issues are he ends up playing hero ball at the end of games which usually turn into turnovers. He just doesn't have a great NFL arm but he thinks he does. Kelly was similar at the end of his career yet Fitz never had Kelly's early success. 

I agree Peyton was a turnover machine towards the end yet the Broncos D was playing at such a high level. The Patriots D is playing at a high level too but have shown they can be beatable. Romo said it perfectly yesterday, when playing the Patriots you need an unexpected player to play great to beat the Pats. It's back when we had Fitz and Chandler had great games against them. Maybe Knox will show up in our next meeting or Singletary will show some things. 

 

I was only being half-serious. But I do suspect that Fitz can read a defence as well as Tom can. And Fitz is more mobile - he scrambled for a 20 yard gain yesterday until it was all called back on a bogus holding call lol. Never seen Brady do that.They can both work the pocket, especially Brady. But bottom line neither one of them can do what Aaron do (Fitz never could) as Chad would say. Anyway, though Tom was great Belly has always been the brains of that operation IMO. 

[Chicken Boo]

He didn't play well in the AFC championship game nor the Super Bowl LAST season.

 

He's 42.  Dak Prescott & Matt Stafford are playing better football at this point.  The guard has changed.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

The Patriots are winning games in spite of Tom Brady, not because of him.

 

His days as an elite NFL QB are most certainly over. Unfortunately, BB is still BB.

[Mikie2times]

13 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Its always been Brady's quick thinking on his feet and ability to understand what he is facing (in an instant)  in a defense that has been his greatest asset. I don't see any decline there at all. His pocket presence is still decent and he still is able to avoid the sack for the most part. Passing accuracy and strength has dropped off but he is probably at the level of a 35 year old Qb now. As long as he has weapons on offense and a great D, he unfortunately will continue to dominate.

Actually I do see a decline there. Maybe a  millisecond or two. Then another couple milliseconds on release. Then weaker arm. His offensive line isn’t doing him any favors nor are his receivers but they didn’t in the past all that much either. Again, main point is this is not a guy I’m scared of anymore. He’s not done per say, but I’m not worried about some magical Brady GOAT legend virtually guaranteeing outcomes like he has his whole career. He’s not that player anymore. Defense or not, that makes New England vulnerable.   

[Bookie Man]

The end is near... I'm hoping.. 

[Tcali]

On 11/17/2019 at 4:55 PM, Warcodered said:

I mean Peyton Manning was pretty done during his last SB winning season.

yep he could barely throw cuz of bad shoulder----but managed his way to a SB

4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

The Patriots are winning games in spite of Tom Brady, not because of him.

 

His days as an elite NFL QB are most certainly over. Unfortunately, BB is still BB.

Brady owes a ton to BB.

BB will win SBs without him if he wants to continue coaching

[TigerJ]

Brady has clearly lost a lot physically, but the team is still able to win because they have enough talent everywhere else, and they tend to make fewer critical mistakes than their opponent. And, yes, they seem to get away with some holds and other calls from time to time.  Brady is not going to get any better going forward.

[Boatdrinks]

No. It will be a great day when it happens , but it’s not quite at that point yet. 

[Gordio]

12 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

The Patriots are winning games in spite of Tom Brady, not because of him.

 

His days as an elite NFL QB are most certainly over. Unfortunately, BB is still BB.

 

 

Exactly, he is not elite anymore.  He is 42, it is understandable.  & the comparisons to manning are dead on in my opinion.  I could totally see the patriots winning another super bowl in spite of Brady, just like the Broncos did.  Manning was smart enough to know the bottle was empty & got out.  I wonder if Tom will be smart enough.  There is something about going out on top, not many players in the NFL do it, but when it is done right it is special.  manning did it, Jerome bettis did it, Ray Lewis did & Elway did it.  It will be interesting to see what Brady does.  He looked devastated in his post game presser Sunday, like he knew the ride was just about over.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

No. It will be a great day when it happens , but it’s not quite at that point yet. 

By end of the season it is happening. You can see it big time. 
I don’t think the Pats getting home field advantage is an advantage. The colder it is I think we see a worse game for Tom. Love to see the camera pan the stadium and the look on all the Pats fans as they know the end is here. 
Belichick is the best but at some point you have to have a good QB to win the big games. Brady is doing just enough with his experience and wisdom of the game . It won’t be enough soon.

[Livinginthepast]

One power that Brady has that has not diminished whatsoever is his ability to intentionally ground the ball to avoid a sack with total impunity from a flag. I saw him do it in the pocket again Sunday night. None of the officials close by dared to even make a move for the flag!

[Success]

He’s no longer scary.

[CLTbills]

On 11/17/2019 at 7:55 PM, Warcodered said:

I mean Peyton Manning was pretty done during his last SB winning season.

He was. Their offense was putrid.