oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You're a teenager aren't you? Not that old most likely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. SpacePuppy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: You're a teenager aren't you? Nope, long term Bills fan here since before the Super Bowl years. But thanks for the insult and keeping the topic on football. Im sorry you dont enjoy my opinions but I'm sure you can find the ignore button if it suits you. Stay classy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Lets not stop there either....Allen, also a bust. Now you’re just being ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Geez people! EVERYONE on here is a Bills fan. Is it that hard to grasp that our last two defensive first rounders are not on anyone’s list of impact players? It doesn’t mean they stink but fans aren’t allowed to criticize? Come on people, we’re all friends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Such a terrible pick. A top ten pick should produce. This ones a whiffer big time. We don't even need him when the Phillips brothers are in. Should have grabbed a reciever or guard LOL -- nothing like declaring a player a bust 8 games into his rookie season. Nice troll job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. SpacePuppy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: Now you’re just being ridiculous. I know, your right...he's lighting the league on fire. He has as many turn overs as he does touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 McDermott did this to Milano earlier in his career too. It seems to have worked out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Nope, long term Bills fan here since before the Super Bowl years. But thanks for the insult and keeping the topic on football. Im sorry you dont enjoy my opinions but I'm sure you can find the ignore button if it suits you. Stay classy? Sorry...you were talking like a hormonal teen. You obviously don't like many of our opinions and don't like that we don't agree with your opinions....this usually makes for a good conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: This is a big development for McD because, looking at his teams, he believes very devoutly in a rotational DL. I mean, check it out in game logs going back through CAR. McD's idea of an ideal snap count for a DT is ~50%. And his idea of Jordan Phillips and Star as "primary DTs all game" means snap count increase from mid-40s to mid-60s It's fundamentally an acknowledgement that he simply doesn't have the horses to rotate as he wishes to right now. That said, 18 snaps was 35% of the defensive snaps, so it's not exactly like Oliver got benched. But Oliver's snap count has been trending down game by game: 66%,59%58%,65%,67%,47%,51%,35% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. SpacePuppy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Geez people! EVERYONE on here is a Bills fan. Is it that hard to grasp that our last two defensive first rounders are not on anyone’s list of impact players? It doesn’t mean they stink but fans aren’t allowed to criticize? Come on people, we’re all friends here. Your only supposed to blindly praise the Bills. Apparently no criticism allowed. If you do criticize, the insults and personal attacks come out from long standing board members which seems to be okay for the Mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Not a good development for our Top 10 pick. But I was ASSURED he's the next Aaron Donald. If only anyone had pointed out he played against TERRIBLE OL in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Your only supposed to blindly praise the Bills. Apparently no criticism allowed. If you do criticize, the insults and personal attacks come out from long standing board members which seems to be okay for the Mods. Yeah, that’s kinda how it works here pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: So why is Star getting so many snaps? cuz he deserves them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Against a team running the ball 30-40 times per game... My best rush defenders would play more snaps. He's not there yet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Geez people! EVERYONE on here is a Bills fan. Is it that hard to grasp that our last two defensive first rounders are not on anyone’s list of impact players? It doesn’t mean they stink but fans aren’t allowed to criticize? Come on people, we’re all friends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Star L should be the guys sitting on the bench. He's shown me nothing all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is a big development for McD because, looking at his teams, he believes very devoutly in a rotational DL. I mean, check it out in game logs going back through CAR. McD's idea of an ideal snap count for a DT is ~50%. And his idea of Jordan Phillips and Star as "primary DTs all game" means snap count increase from mid-40s to mid-60s It's fundamentally an acknowledgement that he simply doesn't have the horses to rotate as he wishes to right now. That said, 18 snaps was 35% of the defensive snaps, so it's not exactly like Oliver got benched. But Oliver's snap count has been trending down game by game: 66%,59%58%,65%,67%,47%,51%,35% Super quick game - not a ton of plays for the defense. Got out of a game injury free pretty much too. I'll take that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Your only supposed to blindly praise the Bills. Apparently no criticism allowed. If you do criticize, the insults and personal attacks come out from long standing board members which seems to be okay for the Mods. If you truly are an adult, which you are calling into question, you will realize immature statements like you are only suppose to blindly praise the Bills is ridiculous. You should have some basis for your criticism, and you should be able to engage in a dialogue and debate without behaving this way. Let's take Oliver. I have said in this very thread that while he has gotten some good pressure in the passing game, he has struggled in run support. Let me say it again: he has struggled in run support. The difference between folks like you and folks like me and others around here, is that you are unwilling to have your opinions challenged. When that is done, you default into this kind of diatribe. If you want to have a real discussion, then discuss. Like how anyone can call Allen a bust is at this point in his career just simply wrong IMHO. If you wat to engage in a constructive way, do so. IF you just want to be a flame thrower, then the mods will get involved as they should. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Oliver just needs to bulk up. Give him another year on the steroid program, he'll be fine. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That said, 18 snaps was 35% of the defensive snaps, so it's not exactly like Oliver got benched. But Oliver's snap count has been trending down game by game: 66%,59%58%,65%,67%,47%,51%,35% Because he is having to use his DTs to protect his linebackers. It is not because Oliver is playing terribly against the run.... it is because the linebackers are and so teams are running more on us and McDermott's answer is to put bigger and bigger bodies out there. When the linebackers were doing their jobs better it allowed him to use Oliver the way he envisaged using him. To disrupt the pocket on dropbacks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 would like to see liver get a few rotations out on the end, let's move him around a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because he is having to use his DTs to protect his linebackers. It is not because Oliver is playing terribly against the run.... it is because the linebackers are and so teams are running more on us and McDermott's answer is to put bigger and bigger bodies out there. When the linebackers were doing their jobs better it allowed him to use Oliver the way he envisaged using him. To disrupt the pocket on dropbacks. This makes some sense, but what's up with the linebackers? 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If you truly are an adult, which you are calling into question, you will realize immature statements like you are only suppose to blindly praise the Bills is ridiculous. You should have some basis for your criticism, and you should be able to engage in a dialogue and debate without behaving this way. Let's take Oliver. I have said in this very thread that while he has gotten some good pressure in the passing game, he has struggled in run support. Let me say it again: he has struggled in run support. The difference between folks like you and folks like me and others around here, is that you are unwilling to have your opinions challenged. When that is done, you default into this kind of diatribe. If you want to have a real discussion, then discuss. Like how anyone can call Allen a bust is at this point in his career just simply wrong IMHO. If you wat to engage in a constructive way, do so. IF you just want to be a flame thrower, then the mods will get involved as they should. Prophetic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Quinnen Williams isn't doing anything either. Maybe, just maybe, teams shouldn't draft DT's in the Top 10. Or maybe the transition to the NFL takes longer than most fans think...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 We better hope he turns it around. Can't afford for him to bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Some here are more educated in football than me, so help me out on this. The impression I had between halves yesterday is that the front 7 was more reading and reacting in the first half, whereas in the second half they were attacking the LOS and forcing plays. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: There was definitely one where Milano was in the wrong gap too. There was one play on the first long drive with the three back to back runs (I think it was the first one) where Oliver was just tossed aside by the olineman. That run was at least in part on him. There was one where Stat got totally turned around and was facing his own goalline as Peterson ran off his left hip into our secondary and there was play where Phillips was there to make the tackle and just whiffed on it. There were 2 runs by AP where he was in the grasp of the db who filled in properly, just didn't finish the tackle. The 1st was behind the l.o.s. The db had him in his grasp for a loss. Didn't make the tackle, AP ran through the tackle. He ran past Star, but Star was still engaged with his blocker, but did his job. The 2nd, again the db had him in his grasp, for a loss. AP threw him to the turf like a rag doll and got a nice gain. Again, the dline did it's job. AP is still a beast who ran for over 1k last year. Edited November 4, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Why not try Oliver at DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The absolute hilarity in all of this is the people screaming "BUST!!!" after 8 regular season games. I swear the intelligence of some people on this board is borderline disabled. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Some here are more educated in football than me, so help me out on this. The impression I had between halves yesterday is that the front 7 was more reading and reacting in the first half, whereas in the second half they were attacking the LOS and forcing plays. Is that correct? Same here. I do think the lbs and safeties don't take on the blocks to fill that gap, but try to get around the block and leave the gap wide open. Also, rbs have been able to take a fake/jab step to one direction before hitting the hole/gap and Edmunds goes toward the fake and leaves his gap. The rb then hits the intended hole/gap where Edmunds should have been. Had the rb continued in the direction of the fake, we had it covered. Everyone has to do their job, not try to do someone else's job. Milano has been guilty of this too, but Edmunds stands out to me as doing it more often. Just my take, but like you, I'm not as educated as some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I agree this is not good news for Oliver, but I think it's less about Oliver playing poorly and more about Phillips playing lights out. On limited snaps, the guy leads all NFL defensive tackles in sacks through the halfway point of the season. It does leave Buffalo with a bit of a dilemma after the season. Phillips is playing better and deserves to be the starter, but will be a free agent and is going to merit a BIG contract. Oliver still has great upside but with fewer snaps may develop more slowly. Still, he's on a rookie deal for three more years after this season, plus his option year as a first rounder. I presume the Bills keep Oliver and hope he develops despite not getting starter snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, ALF said: Why not try Oliver at DE I think it would be interesting to have him on the field along with Star and Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, TPS said: Or maybe the transition to the NFL takes longer than most fans think...? More than 8 games??? Is that possible??? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Come on now JA crowd!!! How many starts has this kid had? Can’t judge #91! He has only played half a season!! LOL. Allen didn't start all of last year. Frankly, I was hoping he could have sat all of last year. The JDS is strong with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I think it would be interesting to have him on the field along with Star and Phillips. We can’t afford to give up all that production we are getting from Hughes and Murphy! ? I never expected much from Murphy, but I was hoping Hughes would attend a few games this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: If you compare him to Shaquille O'Neal. Is he ready for a second career? if so he can replace Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Still early, but I’m not gonna lie, no reason DK Metcalf shouldn’t be a Buffalo Bill. Sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Augie said: We can’t afford to give up all that production we are getting from Hughes and Murphy! ? I never expected much from Murphy, but I was hoping Hughes would attend a few games this year. I thought Lawson looked decent yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Your only supposed to blindly praise the Bills. Apparently no criticism allowed. If you do criticize, the insults and personal attacks come out from long standing board members which seems to be okay for the Mods. Of course not, there is tons, and I mean tons, of criticism of the Bills on the Board-- perfectly fine. But your posts a clearly troll-like, and designed to upset with little logic. It is sad that you are so unhappy you get joy from spreading misery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Holy hyperbole. Am I allowed to use someone that didn't set the NFL world on fire in his first year but then became great after? Like Geno Atkins? I’ll add Mike Daniels to that as well. Most of the successful “short” DTs take a season or two to really figure out how to play. Aaron Donald is certainly the exception rather than the rule.... Oliver is currently on pace to match John Randles rookie numbers. It’s gonna take some time for this kid to figure out hand fighting, block shedding and leverage at the NFL level. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 According to some of the TBD GM's around here banging on their keyboards feel EO was the wrong pick and are now declaring after 8 games that he is a bust? I have to wonder why they are here on a message board when they could be making a really nice living as a GM on an NFL team somewhere? 91 is not a bust imo, they will continue to work and help him develop and he should work his way back in to the line up? 8 games in to his rookie season does not determine his career in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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