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Jordan Phillips earns start; Oliver only plays 18 def snaps vs Redskins


YoloinOhio

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On the 'Skins' first three-and-out, the third-down incompletion was caused by Oliver, who crushed the pocket from the middle.  I was kind of surprised we didn't see him much for the rest of the game but it's not because he's playing badly - he's playing well.  IMO Oliver played the run much better than Phillips did against the Eagles.

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With the selection of both Edmunds and Oliver the Bills front office appear to have bought into the line that the modern NFL was going to be played by a bunch of medium sized fast guys, much like the NBA. Unfortunately for them, size kills and the trenches are still dominated by really big guys. 

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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes, Oliver has played well from what I can tell. But tough to sit Phillips. It’s a good rotation. I think the 18 snaps from Oliver was because skins didn’t pass much. 

 

Rookie in his first ever start, on the road and a defense looking vulnerable in run defense.  I think we just wanted size.

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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Because he isn't playing as bad you stubbornly think he is.

 

I was just about to say that.  Star is doing exactly what a big 1-tech DT does, and he does it pretty consistently.

 

If you play 1-tech and are never, ever, ever moved off the ball by two 300lb offensive lineman, you are probably the best 1-tech to ever play the game.  Some people need to temper their expectations.  

 

Star isn't a problem.  

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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It was a joke.  He said we don't need Oliver because of Harrison Phillips....well Phillips isn't playing.

no *****, but when he was in he killed it.  He plays his gap, bats balls and provides pressure. When he's back next year and we re-sign Jordan....Oliver is not needed.  He'll end up being a situational rotation guy. Not a stud. He is way too undersized and gets man handled out there.

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Rookie in his first ever start, on the road and a defense looking vulnerable in run defense.  I think we just wanted size.

That’s just the point though. Oliver being a third down pass rushing specialist when he hasn’t been all that effective at rushing the passer is uh, not good.

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With the selection of both Edmunds and Oliver the Bills front office appear to have bought into the line that the modern NFL was going to be played by a bunch of medium sized fast guys, much like the NBA. Unfortunately for them, size kills and the trenches are still dominated by really big guys. 

Edmunds is medium sized? 

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1 minute ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said:

no *****, but when he was in he killed it.  He plays his gap, bats balls and provides pressure. When he's back next year and we re-sign Jordan....Oliver is not needed.  He'll end up being a situational rotation guy. Not a stud. He is way too undersized and gets man handled out there.

 

LOL.  We don't a rotation of talent.  We got two Phillips....that's it!

 

Amazing how you can judge and entire career of a player in his first 8 games.  

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I was just about to say that.  Star is doing exactly what a big 1-tech DT does, and he does it pretty consistently.

 

If you play 1-tech and are never, ever, ever moved off the ball by two 300lb offensive lineman, you are probably the best 1-tech to ever play the game.  Some people need to temper their expectations.  

 

Star isn't a problem.  

 

Scott is as stubborn as a mule.  He doesn't know the game, he doesn't watch film, he just likes to B word.

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2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

That’s just the point though. Oliver being a third down pass rushing specialist when he hasn’t been all that effective at rushing the passer is uh, not good.

When I watch him in the pass rush he's getting pressure, just hasn' t had that extra split second to finish the job.  Run game, he needs to continue working. 

 

Rather than focus on the negative of a rookie, I prefer to focus on the positive of what Phillips has brought.  Oliver will have his place in the line as he goes forward.

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14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

He was invisible on sunday.

I believe there were whispers that Oliver’s  coaches at Houston thought his frame couldn’t handle much more playing weight.

At his age, it's not about pure weight. It's more about strength and leverage. Ed has to learn leverage and I hope he can. This next offseason he will add a lot of strength. Then as he ages, the weight can come.

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5 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

agreed if cap is an issue, Cut star.

 

With Harrison Phillips coming back, I will lose it if they don't pay Jordan Phillips because of the current investments on the DL. 

 

If I had to guess, Star and one of Murphy/Shaq aren't on this DL next year.  We get Harry back to replace Star and go after Yannick Ngakue or draft a DE high in the Draft.

 

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