Clear Sign Beane Doesn't Think We Are Ready

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Ghs24mike said:

Weakest the AFC has been in a long time. We have a 5-2 record staring 8-2 in the face. Patriots play a bunch of tough games down the stretch, but Beane decided not to risk our future on a small window of time. He is clearly saying this isn't our year. 

We need one more solid draft, and clear evidence Josh is our guy. New England and San Fran made trades. The two best teams in the league traded assets to win now.  New England gave up a high draft pick for Sonu because they feel confident they have a shot to win it all this year. Beane clearly doesn't think that. 

Disappointing, yet understandable. 

 

Gag...gag.....gonna trust the process for another year. 

 

 

You are right. Clear as looking thru Mississippi mud during a full eclipse.

[ALLEN1QB]

I guess you wanted them to give up the farm for a receiver that is injured more than he is healthy or a running back that cannot get it into the endzone 1st and goal from the one foot line 2 two times

[Ramza86]

Hopefully the Eagles game let us all know that we are not ready at all.

 

0-2 against respectable teams. Offense cant get it right yet.

 

Lets just work on getting Josh right. If we make a wildcard....cool...but we wont be favored in any playoff game and wont win.

[CEN-CAL17]

I’m a little disappointed. If the Bills could have grabbed a player to solidify an area of weakness and help win games.... winning games helps drive a free agent market. 

 

Im thinking Bills should go 12-4 or 11-5.... but what if struggles continue at RB, WR, DE, DT, OT.....? And Bills end up 9-7?  Free agents won’t see us. We have money for FA. But the Bills needs to be attractive through wins.

[skibum]

How many trades actually happened today? Five or six? How many were blockbusters? Zero?

 

The NFL is a league where teams build through the draft and free agency. Trades are used mostly as a way to move disgruntled players and dump big salaries. Why give up assets to get an overpaid player his former team didn't want, who probably doesn't know your system, when you have a rich menu of prime players available in the off season?

Edited October 29, 2019 by skibum

[eball]

I trust Beane more than I trust McDermott. If Beane is waiting until next year so am I. 

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

Regardless of our record or the relative weakness of the AFC, anyone who's watched the Bills play this year can see that we're not Super Bowl contenders yet. I wouldn't want him to mortgage the future for an ultra-slim chance of winning it all this year.

 

 

exactly. Eagles took us to school.
nuff said

 Bills have work to do.

 Couple years ago they overhauled the Defense

 and that has shown improvement markedly eh ? did not break the bank either

Last year Beanes overhauled the Offense. spent a bit more but definitely better *
 

 This coming year is fine tuning the details and moving on from what has not worked.
another decent offseason will be telling .

* Two players

 !!  Allen is holding back the Offense. no one can question he is still raw in so many ways , can they ? and is he the answer ?
! Edmunds. still streaky and gets fooled. Not sure he is what Bills need at MLB.

 

but let me be sure to tell you, I am very hopeful that both will continue to improve , as they both certainly have.
 

But they also both make enough mistakes at key positions to perhaps call them game changers.

 

Go Bills !

 

[Punching Bag]

9 minutes ago, skibum said:

How many trades actually happened today? Five or six? How many were blockbusters? Zero?

 

The NFL is a league where teams build through the draft and free agency. Trades are used mostly as a way to move disgruntled players and dump big salaries. Why give up assets to get an overpaid player his former team didn't want, who probably doesn't know your system, when you have a rich menu of prime players available in the off season?

 

Stop confusing irrational ranters with facts.  They play Fantasy Football GM and traded for an entire offense last night so how hard is it for a GM with actual money to do so?

[3rdand12]

27 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

You are right. Clear as looking thru Mississippi mud during a full eclipse.

solar or lunar

they really should have dressed Sweeney last two weeks

lol

but kinda serious

[Scott7975]

If there was a reasonable trade to be had, he probably would have traded.  He isn't going out there trading first round picks for over the hill guys like Green.  What small window?  No guy or even couple of guys is going to get us to a superbowl.  Playoffs maybe but we might get there anyways.  No sense trading away valuable picks to get to a wildcard.  As negative as this thread is trying to be, not trading just re-affirms that Beane is a smart GM and not another Doug Whaley.

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, Ghs24mike said:

Weakest the AFC has been in a long time. We have a 5-2 record staring 8-2 in the face. Patriots play a bunch of tough games down the stretch, but Beane decided not to risk our future on a small window of time. He is clearly saying this isn't our year. 

We need one more solid draft, and clear evidence Josh is our guy. New England and San Fran made trades. The two best teams in the league traded assets to win now.  New England gave up a high draft pick for Sonu because they feel confident they have a shot to win it all this year. Beane clearly doesn't think that. 

Disappointing, yet understandable. 

 

Gag...gag.....gonna trust the process for another year. 

 

Can't be true. Fans here have been telling me how crazy I am for not thinking Sunday was a fluke and that we should hold a parade for a 5-2 record.

[Irv]

We're not one player away.  Period.  Good non-moves by Beane.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

If there was a reasonable trade to be had, he probably would have traded.  He isn't going out there trading first round picks for over the hill guys like Green.  What small window?  No guy or even couple of guys is going to get us to a superbowl.  Playoffs maybe but we might get there anyways.  No sense trading away valuable picks to get to a wildcard.  As negative as this thread is trying to be, not trading just re-affirms that Beane is a smart GM and not another Doug Whaley.

 

...better don the kevlar vest.....this "voice of reason stuff" makes you a target....SMH............

[Patrick Duffy]

12 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Can't be true. Fans here have been telling me how crazy I am for not thinking Sunday was a fluke and that we should hold a parade for a 5-2 record.

But what about that thread you started "I'm just going to come out and say it, this is the year"? Think it was a week and a half old? Change of heart this fast?

Edited October 29, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[billsfan89]

I think The Rams spoiled the trade market giving up two firsts and a 4th for Ramsey. A lot of the teams holding the big players like Washington and Cincy were hoping to get a ridiculous return for their players based off of the inflated values other teams got for their players. I think it is unfortunate that Cincy was not open for business as Billings would have been a good grab to give the defense some reinforcements at a reasonable price. But to me it was clear that the only deals out on the market were overpays that would not have suited the interests of the team long term and would not have improved the team enough in the short term. 

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

I think The Rams spoiled the trade market giving up two firsts and a 4th for Ramsey. A lot of the teams holding the big players like Washington and Cincy were hoping to get a ridiculous return for their players based off of the inflated values other teams got for their players. I think it is unfortunate that Cincy was not open for business as Billings would have been a good grab to give the defense some reinforcements at a reasonable price. But to me it was clear that the only deals out on the market were overpays that would not have suited the interests of the team long term and would not have improved the team enough in the short term. 

That's a very reasonable assessment.

 

 

[Nick the Greek]

Pats giving a second for Sanu is robbery. I dont think he is that good, and I'd be mad if the Bills made that trade. 

 

You should trade for a fair deal, not out of desperation. 

[stuvian]

[Wayne Arnold]

7 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

But what about that thread you started "I'm just going to come out and say it, this is the year"? Think it was a week and a half old? Change of heart this fast?

 

We're never, ever going to see a schedule this easy again. That was the point of that thread. It's now or never.

 

If McDermott and Allen can't win 12-13 games this season, then they likely aren't capable of ever winning a Super Bowl for this franchise.

[Captain Murica]

One thing that stands out to me is that the run defense hasn’t been much better, if at all since the Rex days. That was an issue we had with Rex & feel McD needs to carry some blame for it not being much better. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by Captain Murica

[njodogg]

not scrolling through 6 pages so forgive me. This is regurgitated from Marcel. Not exactly a hot take and not exactly inaccurate. I want Bills fans to be honest. Can this team win a super bowl? I am as optimistic as the next guy but even in a weak AFC I am not sure. 

 

He is spot on. https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41082955-4

 

Marcel raises excellent points and if you want to admit it or not Beane knows more about football then us. We are not in a position where one player or even two makes us a super bowl winner. The ultimate goal. Building blocks are in place. 

[bbb]

Eagles fans are complaining about their GM on twitter...................Somebody, who was trying to be like a voice of reason, said the Patriots killed the market for everybody.

 

How did the Patriots do that?  

[Sherlock Holmes]

Judge Jeudy

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, White Linen said:

I forget exactly where it was said but word was Beane sees next year as the year.  

 

 

I think you read that when Buddy Nix and Doug Whaley said it. 

[CommonCents]

Beane is a witch, it’s less than 48 hours until Halloween. He has far more important things to take care of than a freaking trade deadline. 

 

 

[GoBills808]

21 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

We're never, ever going to see a schedule this easy again. That was the point of that thread. It's now or never.

 

If McDermott and Allen can't win 12-13 games this season, then they likely aren't capable of ever winning a Super Bowl for this franchise.

[WhoTom]

27 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

We're never, ever going to see a schedule this easy again. That was the point of that thread. It's now or never.

 

I guess my crystal ball isn't as crystal clear as yours.

[buffaloboyinATL]

We’re not ready. We are moving in the right direction, but we need another season or two before we are really ready. I think we might make the playoffs, and even possibly win a game, in part because of the weak AFC this year, but we are not truly READY.  

 

I do do however believe that we will be during Allen’s rookie contract.  Go Bills!

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I will be ok. I still think they make the playoffs. Josh is going to continue to get better. 

I really hope Knox and Kroft start to get more opportunities. I still see 10-6 and a fifth seed.

How do you go from the extreme that was your first post to this perfectly measured response? Lol. Josh is still on the upward path. If he gets to where he needs to be, the sky is the limit.

[GoBills808]

30 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

One thing that stands out to me is that the run defense hasn’t been much better, if at all since the Rex days. That was an issue we had with Rex & feel McD needs to carry some blame for it not being much better. 

It wasn't good McD's first year but it's improved from there.

[HappyDays]

I think next year they will make some big moves. Next year the Super Bowl window opens. We have over $90 million in cap space and a full draft. They didn't want to mortgage the future this year, I get it.

[Punching Bag]

57 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Can't be true. Fans here have been telling me how crazy I am for not thinking Sunday was a fluke and that we should hold a parade for a 5-2 record.

 

Crazy yes but nothing to do with record.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

I think next year they will make some big moves. Next year the Super Bowl window opens. We have over $90 million in cap space and a full draft. They didn't want to mortgage the future this year, I get it.

Yeh especially when there's literally no reason to do so. Bills are playing with house money right now at 5-2 in a weak AFC. Next year a ton of cap space, some decent FA in positions of need, draft.

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Next years the year.... until it isn't.?

 

 I think you'll see them spend money on some actually GOOD FAs this offseason. They don't really have a choice. Next year will ride on Allen taking a big step because the chances of next years schedule being another cake walk is slim to none. 

Schedule.  Blah, blah, blah.  This time last year people were saying the schedule this year would be tough.

[Utah John]

I'm fine with no trade that costs too much and gains too little.  The Jets wanted a second round pick for Robbie Anderson, for heaven's sake.  

[stuvian]

I like Beane's personnel strategy to date. Accumulate draft picks and don't overpay for vets. Any fool can chase his tail like the Bears, Dolphins, Jets and Redskins do year after year. We're still building a culture with the players we have. You can't stroke cheques for that.

[Utah John]

Regarding next year's schedule, it will be harder because we play the NFC West and the AFC West.  All that traveling is tough, and the Bills have historically been ineffective on the west coast.  

 

According to https://fbschedules.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/  we'll be at home for the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Seahawks, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and a team from the AFC North.  We'll travel to the 49ers, Cardinals, Broncos, Raiders, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and a team from the AFC South.  Considering the Bills will almost certainly finish #2 in the AFC East this year, those two unnamed teams will be very good.  

 

Some of those teams are going to be very tough, others are good now but trending down.  If it weren't for the travel, I'd say we should still be OK.  But the travel is going to make a difference.  I think 2019 is the year to make the playoffs and maybe win a game.  2020 will be a struggle.  2021 looks a lot better.

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

I'd say it's a clear sign Beane refuses to be hijacked.

Exactly. It takes 2 sides to agree on a trade.  
 

Say the Bills were talking to Denver about Sanders, and the Broncs already had the offer from SF.  They would expect the Bills to top it. So, would that be a 2nd and a 3rd?  I’m not sure that’s a fair deal for Sanders.  He wouldnt significantly affect the Bills WR corps in my opinion.

[Punching Bag]

22 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Regarding next year's schedule, it will be harder because we play the NFC West and the AFC West.  All that traveling is tough, and the Bills have historically been ineffective on the west coast.  

 

According to https://fbschedules.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/  we'll be at home for the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Seahawks, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and a team from the AFC North.  We'll travel to the 49ers, Cardinals, Broncos, Raiders, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and a team from the AFC South.  Considering the Bills will almost certainly finish #2 in the AFC East this year, those two unnamed teams will be very good.  

 

Some of those teams are going to be very tough, others are good now but trending down.  If it weren't for the travel, I'd say we should still be OK.  But the travel is going to make a difference.  I think 2019 is the year to make the playoffs and maybe win a game.  2020 will be a struggle.  2021 looks a lot better.

 

Remember those teams needs to travel East to games usually at 1 PM.  It will be tougher on them traveling since 4 teams (2 from AFCW and 2 from NFCW) will be travelling east.

[Floydboy12]

32 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Regarding next year's schedule, it will be harder because we play the NFC West and the AFC West.  All that traveling is tough, and the Bills have historically been ineffective on the west coast.  

 

According to https://fbschedules.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/  we'll be at home for the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Seahawks, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and a team from the AFC North.  We'll travel to the 49ers, Cardinals, Broncos, Raiders, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, and a team from the AFC South.  Considering the Bills will almost certainly finish #2 in the AFC East this year, those two unnamed teams will be very good.  

 

Some of those teams are going to be very tough, others are good now but trending down.  If it weren't for the travel, I'd say we should still be OK.  But the travel is going to make a difference.  I think 2019 is the year to make the playoffs and maybe win a game.  2020 will be a struggle.  2021 looks a lot better.

That schedule has 9-7 written all over it even if the team is improved.