Wacka Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: this reminds me @Mark Vader Hey Mark ..... Any more interactions with that chick Phila Delfia or some such??? I don' know if she'll be here, but Mark Vader is flyimg into Buffalo tonight.I will meet up with him and am going to the game with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Our D is better when you factor in the secondary. The front 7 is a push for me, and that Dallas D held them to 7 points.. All this I am hearing about Eagles are in desperation mode is nonsense. Every NFL team should be ready to play come Sunday's, period. I expect McD to have this team ready and able to protect our dirt! Go Bills! Tim- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, dpberr said: Wentz may be the better physical QB talent but Foles is the far superior QB for the Andy Reid/Pederson system. A core principle of that system is distribution of the ball. RBs, WRs, TE. Just like you see in KC. It's hard to figure out the offense when everyone is catching the ball. Foles was great at that. A Nick Foles game has every WR, TE and RB getting at least two targets. Wentz, on the other hand, dials into Ertz and he panics when he's not open. He doesn't distribute that ball. I agree that the Eagles should have rolled with Foles and traded Wentz for a haul for that terrible secondary if they were committed to Pederson as coach. I think thats a fair characterization that Wentz is a better QB in terms of raw physical talent and that Foles seems to thrive in a WCO. But I also quickly checked some stats. So far in 2019 , Wentz has 240 pass attempts . 59 of these went to Ertz, 43 to Agholor , and 41 to Jeffery. So 24% (59/240) of the passes went to Ertz . 1 out of every 4 passes is hardly keying on a receiver when a team typically runs formations with 3 to 4 receivers? In 2017, the last time Wentz played almost the whole season (13 games) , Jeffery had more targets than Ertz (120 to 110) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: That game was a tyrod classic too. I remember it well. I remember him throwing a pick at the end . That was also the game where Shady kissed the eagles logo at midfield. Edited October 23, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Most fans are delusional About how good their team and it’s players are (you know who you are here ?). Philly fans are the exact opposite. They hate all their teams and think their players suck. It’s kinda funny. This dude is awesome though. https://mobile.twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1186295371363999745?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1186295371363999745&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F1063thebuzz.com%2Feagles-fan-deeply-upset-by-loss-to-cowboys%2F Edited October 23, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: this reminds me @Mark Vader Hey Mark ..... Any more interactions with that chick Phila Delfia or some such??? Phila Dehlia, and yes we keep in touch. She hasn't been able to do any of her videos lately, because she's been so busy being Super Mom. She knows all about this week's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: Wasn’t that the game with the pick play from hell on a Bradford bomb? I remember the Bills’ D coordinator going off walking through the tunnel after the game. And Shady irate in the locker room Ohhh yea. 53 yarder to freakin Nelson “I drop everything but of course he caught that ball” Aghlor. At 6-6 I distinctly remember saying realistically that game was the season and they should win. Instead in typical fashion for that season the defense couldn’t get out of their own way allowing Philly to get up early and making a ton of mistakes. I want to say Corey Graham has a nightmare-esq day that really hurt them. Fletcher Cox destroyed our O-line and Tyrod couldn’t do a thing in the 4th. The 2015 defense wasn’t much less talented then this one but they were sooo undisciplined and did not play as a unit (thanks Rex!) And yea Shady was beyond pissed after the game. Edited October 23, 2019 by corta765 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: If the Eagles lose, that will be 3 in a row. They are looking at their season being ostensibly over. I bet they come out rip roaring. I have a feeling the Bills don't win this one, regardless of how they looked the last couple of weeks. I wanted the Eagles to win last week just for that reason. Facing desperate teams is never good. I felt the same way about the Dolphins too. I was hoping they'd beat Washington. You never want to be the "must win" game for another team. This is turning into a must win for Philly. They are going to pull out all the stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 hours ago, njbuff said: Any of you guys ever check out that fat black Eagles fan on YouTube? That guy is a freaking maniac, but he is hilarious. Makes you wonder if he ever got any physical action in his life. ? Edp is the man ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Snooped on one of the Eagles message board. First off- our board is much better in style, ease, and not allowing the filth I saw. So heres what some of their fans think. - Wentz has not completed a full season and until so has proved nothing - The Bills always give us a hard time - We have to make trades at the deadline- we just aren’t good enough - This current roster is garbage - It is time for a rebuild - We are ok at WR but lets look to trade for Julio Not so much team related - The weather looks bad in Buffalo for Sunday lol. Man they don’t know bad!!! - One guy said back in his day he was Don Juan dating 3 girls in a week while the other guy was busy sniffin’ jock straps in the mens locker room ? I gather from all this the fans Aren’t sold on this current team but then again Eagles fans are a different breed. Feel free to add what you pick out of this board Go https://igglephans.com/iggboard/forum/igglephans-main-board well they've been talking about a wr, talking no locker room faith in wentz. hopefully we get a team with issues and not a bunch of wounded animals that are mad about getting punked by the boys. 50 minutes ago, MJS said: I wanted the Eagles to win last week just for that reason. Facing desperate teams is never good. I felt the same way about the Dolphins too. I was hoping they'd beat Washington. You never want to be the "must win" game for another team. This is turning into a must win for Philly. They are going to pull out all the stops. i agree, but i got a gut feeling that says the bills offense is do for that.."where the hell did that come from?" game where no one expected them to score at will. fingers crossed! btw...heard mcd on wgr today and it sounds like he's afraid...er...respects that philly front 7. Edited October 23, 2019 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: If the Eagles lose, that will be 3 in a row. They are looking at their season being ostensibly over. I bet they come out rip roaring. I have a feeling the Bills don't win this one, regardless of how they looked the last couple of weeks. That's the ole fighting team spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 If they snooped on us, they would see: Patriots, Pats, Brady Are we really that good? Search for WR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 won't have to give blood to Eagles fans, it's a home game for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: well they've been talking about a wr, talking no locker room faith in wentz. hopefully we get a team with issues and not a bunch of wounded animals that are mad about getting punked by the boys. i agree, but i got a gut feeling that says the bills offense is do for that.."where the hell did that come from?" game where no one expected them to score at will. fingers crossed! btw...heard mcd on wgr today and it sounds like he's afraid...er...respects that philly front 7. I think Philly’s coach will fix some things and give us a tough fight. McD better get our troops ready and if he states that have a tough front 7 he most likely is telling his O line to win the battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Eagles fans are one of the few fanbases that over hate on their team. The Eagles have been one of the most successful franchises since the year 2000 and if you listen to their fanbase you would think they were as successful as the Bills. Now that being said this year's Eagles team has some serious flaws. Their secondary is complete trash, their WR core is banged up, their O-line is mediocre, their front seven is decent but not dominant and Wentz is not playing well. So for once their negative assessment about the team is accurate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said: well they've been talking about a wr, talking no locker room faith in wentz. hopefully we get a team with issues and not a bunch of wounded animals that are mad about getting punked by the boys. i agree, but i got a gut feeling that says the bills offense is do for that.."where the hell did that come from?" game where no one expected them to score at will. fingers crossed! btw...heard mcd on wgr today and it sounds like he's afraid...er...respects that philly front 7. Their front 7 completely tore us apart in 2015 (pre McDermott I know) but we had a decent OL that year Edited October 23, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Their front 7 completely tore us apart in 2015 (pre McDermott I know) but we had a decent OL that year Is it the same front 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Snooped on one of the Eagles message board. First off- our board is much better in style, ease, and not allowing the filth I saw. So heres what some of their fans think. - The Bills always give us a hard time Probably permanently scarred from 1990 game: 22 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Is it the same front 7? HEck no, only Hughes and maybe Lorax remain, but he may not have been a starter then... Edited October 23, 2019 by ScotSHO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Their front 7 completely tore us apart in 2015 (pre McDermott I know) but we had a decent OL that year ???? Not sure what you meant. Curry and Cox are the only guys left from that 2015 Eagles Defensive Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ScotSHO said: Probably permanently scarred from 1990 game: HEck no, only Hughes and maybe Lorax remain, but he may not have been a starter then... Yep! You beat me too it. One of the most exciting plays in football history imo in that game. Randall turning in what looked like a Bruce Smith safety into a 100 yard Fred Barnett Touchdown. Bills still won though Edited October 23, 2019 by Another Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: If the Eagles lose, that will be 3 in a row. They are looking at their season being ostensibly over. I bet they come out rip roaring. I have a feeling the Bills don't win this one, regardless of how they looked the last couple of weeks. People keep talking like playing desperate football is a good thing...they will come out tight as a result. They have started terribly all year and Bill's will hang 14 on then in 1st. Game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: If the Eagles lose, that will be 3 in a row. They are looking at their season being ostensibly over. I bet they come out rip roaring. I have a feeling the Bills don't win this one, regardless of how they looked the last couple of weeks. Why haven't they come out rip roaring every game? I gotta think they tried as hard as they could to win the last two games, right? I guess desperation by the Eagles could result in a win for them Sunday. Personally, I think desperation normally leads to more mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Eagles fans are one of the few fanbases that over hate on their team. The Eagles have been one of the most successful franchises since the year 2000 and if you listen to their fanbase you would think they were as successful as the Bills. Now that being said this year's Eagles team has some serious flaws. Their secondary is complete trash, their WR core is banged up, their O-line is mediocre, their front seven is decent but not dominant and Wentz is not playing well. So for once their negative assessment about the team is accurate. maybe we should be like them given the success their harshness has brought lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I'd rather see an Eagles message board full of unbridled enthusiasm. I hate this game more and more with each passing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd rather see an Eagles message board full of unbridled enthusiasm. I hate this game more and more with each passing day. Maybe they’re just not good? They had every reason in the world to come out with their hair on fire against the Cowboys and got smoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Maybe they’re just not good? They had every reason in the world to come out with their hair on fire against the Cowboys and got smoked. Yeah. I TRY not to belabor the betting aspects of games, but everyone and their mother, including Eagles fans, expect the Bills to win. Yet the line is ticking DOWN. The Bills are favored by 1.5 points and down 1 in some spots. Why? It's certainly not ticking down because the average Joe likes the Eagles. We shall see. It's going to be a huge test for both the pass rush and Josh Allen IMO. I believe this is going to be a VERY challenging game. Hope you's guys are all correct and whatever data the books are looking at is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Yeah. I TRY not to belabor the betting aspects of games, but everyone and their mother, including Eagles fans, expect the Bills to win. Yet the line is ticking DOWN. The Bills are favored by 1.5 points and down 1 in some spots. Why? It's certainly not ticking down because the average Joe likes the Eagles. We shall see. It's going to be a huge test for both the pass rush and Josh Allen IMO. I believe this is going to be a VERY challenging game. Hope you's guys are all correct and whatever data the books are looking at is incorrect. It very well may be, we certainly don’t seem interested in playing complete games and just struggled against Miami. That being said, they have a ton of injuries, a struggling QB and some bad locker room chemistry. We have more talent than them, and if we execute, should win this game and start being taken seriously on a national level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I still respect Schwartz as a DC so I am sure he will try to scheme well. I have seen Wentz this year and he does not look confident. Eventually their lack of talent will show and I expect the Bills to win by 10+. Should be a good game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, SCBills said: It very well may be, we certainly don’t seem interested in playing complete games and just struggled against Miami. That being said, they have a ton of injuries, a struggling QB and some bad locker room chemistry. We have more talent than them, and if we execute, should win this game and start being taken seriously on a national level. I'm hoping to see Jason Peters either on the sideline or playing at less than 90 percent. I'm not one of those fans that cares if we beat a team at less than 100 percent. Just win the games. If Wentz gets time, he's still a dangerous QB. Watch his game against the Packers to see what he can do if the line isn't playing like garbage. If the pass rush DOESN'T come through, the offense is going to need to score more points at a more rapid pace than we have in our W's this season. They have a ton of injuries on defense, so it's going to be interesting to see if Allen and the offense can turn it up a notch if the defense can't get stops/TO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yeah. I TRY not to belabor the betting aspects of games, but everyone and their mother, including Eagles fans, expect the Bills to win. Yet the line is ticking DOWN. The Bills are favored by 1.5 points and down 1 in some spots. Why? It's certainly not ticking down because the average Joe likes the Eagles. We shall see. It's going to be a huge test for both the pass rush and Josh Allen IMO. I believe this is going to be a VERY challenging game. Hope you's guys are all correct and whatever data the books are looking at is incorrect. I realize you're in the know but....does the betting line really work on data? I thought it was all about what the odds had to be set at to induce people to bet...That's ordinary Jimmy's and Joes' not Football Cogniscenti? If I were an ordinary Joe looking to bet, I read about how the Bills were 4-1 and expected to blow out the winless Miami Dolphins...and won, but didn't cover the spread and the Dolphins were even leading into the 4th Q. Then I look at the Bills have been perennially bad and the Eagles are a year and a half off of a Super Bowl. Sh** I take the Eagles, What Can Go Wrong? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: I still respect Schwartz as a DC so I am sure he will try to scheme well. I have seen Wentz this year and he does not look confident. Eventually their lack of talent will show and I expect the Bills to win by 10+. Should be a good game though. Well which one is it? A 10+ point win or a good game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I realize you're in the know but....does the betting line really work on data? I thought it was all about what the odds had to be set at to induce people to bet That's ordinary Jimmy's and Joes' not Football Cogniscenti The line is most certainly set on data. The big money movers rely EXCLUSIVELY on data. So they basically set a line that they believe to be accurate. If you have an accurate line, you theoretically create a line that would generate even action on both sides. The objective is of course to set lines that get that equal action because they just want the juice. There are certain games (like this one) where the general public will be all over one side(in this case the Bills), but the book/big money likes the opponent. As a rule, I hate to see the Bills in a position where the book/movers are on one side and the "public" is on the other. The line will move if they're taking more money on one side than the other. At that point, they want to entice action on the OTHER side. I know that was convoluted, but from personal experience, I prefer to be on the side that seems "wrong" to people like you and I. That, OF COURSE, is not some kind of absolute. Last week for instance, the big money LOVED Atlanta and the public loved the Rams. Not quite sure why the data suggested only a -3 for LA against such a struggling team like the Falcons, but it did. If any of this was absolute, I'd be betting 5 k all over the place and not sitting there writing tickets! Edited October 24, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: The line is most certainly set on data. The big money movers rely EXCLUSIVELY on data. So they basically set a line that they believe to be accurate. If you have an accurate line, you theoretically create a line that would generate even action on both sides. The objective is of course to set lines that get that equal action because they just want the juice. There are certain games (like this one) where the general public will be all over one side(in this case the Bills), but the book/big money likes the opponent. As a rule, I hate to see the Bills in a position where the book/movers are on one side and the "public" is on the other. The line will move if they're taking more money on one side than the other. At that point, they want to entice action on the OTHER side. I know that was convoluted, but from personal experience, I prefer to be on the side that seems "wrong" to people like you and I. That, OF COURSE, is not some kind of absolute. Last week for instance, the big money LOVED Atlanta and the public loved the Rams. Not quite sure why the data suggested only a -3 for such a struggling team like the Falcons, but it did. If any of this was absolute, I'd be betting 5 k all over the place and not sitting there writing tickets! I guess my point was I'm not sure Jimmy's and Joe's (the general public) are all over the Bills? You have to be a Bills fan to know stuff like Fitzmagic and the impact of missing Milano. My guess would be the General Public sees it as great team that won the SB not long back vs. perennial scrubs who came out the gate hot, but got "shown up" and almost lost to the 0-5 Dolphins? But, as you imply, if you're writing tickets you may know how actually rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I guess my point was I'm not sure Jimmy's and Joe's (the general public) are all over the Bills? You have to be a Bills fan to know stuff like Fitzmagic and the impact of missing Milano. My guess would be the General Public sees it as great team that won the SB not long back vs. perennial scrubs who came out the gate hot, but got "shown up" and almost lost to the 0-5 Dolphins? But, as you imply, if you're writing tickets you may know how actually rolls. Yeah, my friend. It's tough to say early in the week, but those Jimmy's and Joe's(I call em Darrell, short for derelict) are definitely taking Buffalo, but the line is sort of moving towards Philly which means there's real money on the Iggle's. The Darrell's generally wait until Saturday or Sunday to bet, so it's a bit early to say definitely what they'll do. The "chatter" is that the Bills should definitely beat Philly(the Eagles SUCK based on the Dallas game. Bills are 5-1(They really don't even know enough to understand our schedule has been easy.) I'm boring myself here, but after doing this for 10 years, I've come to the conclusion that I want to see these people bet on the other team. Certainly not any kind of guarantee, but more often than not and all that jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 hours ago, ScotSHO said: Probably permanently scarred from 1990 game: HEck no, only Hughes and maybe Lorax remain, but he may not have been a starter then... If Josh Allen threw an int like Kelly did to Joyner, this board would flip out. Rich kotite, offensive genius. Ah, when roughing the passer was roughing the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: The line is most certainly set on data. The big money movers rely EXCLUSIVELY on data. So they basically set a line that they believe to be accurate. If you have an accurate line, you theoretically create a line that would generate even action on both sides. The objective is of course to set lines that get that equal action because they just want the juice. There are certain games (like this one) where the general public will be all over one side(in this case the Bills), but the book/big money likes the opponent. As a rule, I hate to see the Bills in a position where the book/movers are on one side and the "public" is on the other. The line will move if they're taking more money on one side than the other. At that point, they want to entice action on the OTHER side. I know that was convoluted, but from personal experience, I prefer to be on the side that seems "wrong" to people like you and I. That, OF COURSE, is not some kind of absolute. Last week for instance, the big money LOVED Atlanta and the public loved the Rams. Not quite sure why the data suggested only a -3 for LA against such a struggling team like the Falcons, but it did. If any of this was absolute, I'd be betting 5 k all over the place and not sitting there writing tickets! The public is overreacting to the Eagles getting destroyed on national TV. Same thing with the Jets as the Jags should not be favored by six. If the line gets to Eagles +3 there's really good value in betting them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The public is overreacting to the Eagles getting destroyed on national TV. Same thing with the Jets as the Jags should not be favored by six. If the line gets to Eagles +3 there's really good value in betting them. Yeah. It looks like it's heading more towards a pick em, but I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 So, Buffalo wins the message board competition? Might as well stop here and just proclaim Buffalo the winner this weekend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 11 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: this reminds me @Mark Vader Hey Mark ..... Any more interactions with that chick Phila Delfia or some such??? PhilaDehlia. A quick Google search will direct you right to her Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube pages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Link in the OP is their main messageboard? If yes it is really weird since there almost no posts there... I was wondering about this for a while and I didn't find any other real Eagles board. Really strange given the size of their fanbase. Did I miss something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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