6 takeaways from the Bills' decision to trade Zay Jones

[Steve O]

36 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Most of them bounced off Zay's hands first.

Well played

[DJB]

1 hour ago, vorpma said:

Just wait until Jones has a good day and the usual's on TBD will be out in numbers attacking "McBeane" and everything else the team has done; give it time!

 

I suppose catching one pass would be considered a good day for Zay. 

 

Not sure it will ever happen though 

[HOUSE]

Hi there..

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 10, 2019 by HOUSE

[Alphadawg7]

6 take aways article was poorly written.  Lots of silly assumptions. 
 

Dad thing is...well...him just being a dad.  He’s gonna defend his son and stand by him, so not really shocking he’s throwing some shade in support of his son.  

[mead107]

He is gone. Who cares.  

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

6 take aways article was poorly written.  Lots of silly assumptions. 
 

Dad thing is...well...him just being a dad.  He’s gonna defend his son and stand by him, so not really shocking he’s throwing some shade in support of his son.  

Sounds more like Josh Allen and his dad were not friends

[JerseyBills]

I wish Zay the best. Just extremely inconsistent and didn't progress in 3 years. Fell to 5th - 6th on depth chart. I'll take the 5th All Day.

[prissythecat]

All I want to know is :  "Will Zay singlehandedly alter the entire dynamic of the AFC West?"

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, prissythecat said:

All I want to know is :  "Will Zay singlehandedly alter the entire dynamic of the AFC West?"

Kind of looks like Jerry Rice

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

These articles that make me click to 6 different pages lose me after the first click.  Bush League crap.

 

I agree. And articles that do that often have crap writing and analysis, like this one.  Shallow.  

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Very bad rookie year + nude bloody offseason video. 

 

The process kept him here though. 

 

Two years later it finally ends. 

 

Robert Foster is our savior according to some. 

 

Will we finally draft a wr for our young QB?

[vorpma]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'll summarize their 6 things for folks who don't want to click:

1) It's Duke's time

2) Maybe Zay needed this (a change of scene)

3) Beane got something at least (for Jones)

4) Take Bills coach- and GM-speak with a grain of salt

McDermott said on Monday about Zay “He just has to continue to do his job. You saw guys compete at a high level yesterday. We made some, I thought, some really good plays at the wide receiver position and Zay is a guy that continues to grow and I think he’s still young in his career. He’ll continue to do a good job as he continues to grow and focus on what he can control and I really appreciate the way he took a team first approach yesterday.” 

 

They say: " McDermott really liked him, then traded him? While speaking those words, McDermott was not unaware of a trade with the Raiders. "

Reading between the lines, I think you can interpret McDermott differently

 

5) 2017 draft class is 1/2 gone, let's hope we do better 2018-> on

6) #1 WR is a big need for the Bills going forward

2017 was Whaley's last draft with the previous scouting team; hopefully we do better in 2018 and 2019 after the dumpster fire of wasted number one picks throughout the last decade.

[yungmack]

He just seems to have no "football sense." He's like a guy who has seen soccer played but if he plays a match, he doesn't instinctively know what to do.

[ocemur]

Here's the thing about a WR with more excuses than receptions. All he had to do was compete with the guys in that WR room. Nobody asked Zay to catch 100 balls for 1,200 yards. We hoped he'd be the 2nd or third best WR on the team. Based on the trade, was he even the fourth best? And if you are sitting around wondering if you are the fourth best WR on the team, maybe job security isn't something you should expect.

 

Bottom line, all he had to do was play better than a bunch of other WRs who had to catch balls from the same QB in the same Offense under the same coaches. The playing field was as level as it gets and Zay came up short. That's 100% on Zay.

[JoPar_v2]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

are there really 6 takeaways from the trade? Seems like a lot.

Well yeah if you’re a clickfarm budget joke of a site like the one the OP linked gotta think of a bunch of takeaways. The more the better when you have to click through each one. Linking to BS like this should be banned here.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, HOUSE said:

The Bills were heading toward a relatively low key week after topping the Titans in Week 5. It’s their bye week, after all.

But instead, Buffalo decided to deal wide receiver Zay Jones to the Oakland Raiders.

A few days removed from the deal, here are six takeaways from the Bills’ decision to trade Jones to the Raiders:

Duke’s time

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/09/6-takeaways-buffalo-bills-decision-to-trade-zay-jones/

 

Zay Jones’ father believes son has 'real QB’ now following trade from Buffalo Bills

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/10/zay-jones-father-believes-son-has-real-qb-now-following-trade-from-buffalo-bills.html

 

 

 

 

.....the old man probably means Peterman..........

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

Yeah, @klos63, I only counted two takeways that Jones allowed in the New England game ???

haha well it did take away the points we woulda had if he catches that TD

2 hours ago, teef said:

i was someone that had very high hopes for zay.  after his improvement last year, i though he could be a major contributor.  i was very wrong.  even if he is productive for the raiders, his time was done here.  good luck to him.

That’s where I am

[Billsfan1972]

How they came up with 6?????  The point was he just didn't do anything, and there were high hopes as a second rounder.

 

He didn't make as far as I remember a contested grab, didn't fight for the ball, catch anything that would count as difficult, had drops little YAC.

 

If he flourishes elsewhere good for him, but can't see it based on the body of evidence to date.  

[Malazan]

Remember when all Sammy needed was a real QB? ..and he had way more talent than Zay does

[MJS]

I've got nothing against Zay. He seems like a good person and I'm sure he did his best. He was our leading receiver last year. Wish him the best. Glad that we are moving forward with a group of legitimate receivers who have shown that they can produce.

[Mr. WEO]

Who’s his real QB?

[DrDawkinstein]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

These articles that make me click to 6 different pages lose me after the first click.  Bush League crap.

 

Not sure if this is one of the six things, but having your family be social media crazy people is something that I think will always lead to a player leaving Buffalo.

 

Here, here.

 

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-fix-annoying-multi-page-articles-all-over-the-we-1164869508

 

You can also use deslide.com and paste the URL and it will convert the slideshow into a single page article.

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, vorpma said:

Just wait until Jones has a good day and the usual's on TBD will be out in numbers attacking "McBeane" and everything else the team has done; give it time!

I like Zay and believe he will do well.  It just didnt seem to be working here.  I think a lot of us that like the kid understand that.

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

Remember when all Sammy needed was a real QB? ..and he had way more talent than Zay does

All Sammy needed was a new pair of feet. 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

He will fit in good in grudens west coast style offense. But he will always be a body catcher with no YAC

I do think this is a good fit. Carr is at a 70% Completion rate, they throw it a lot for quick/short gains, Zay will be “open” because defenses give them those 6 yard quick shots, particularly if he isn’t know for making YAC. After all, a 70% chance of completing a 6 yard pass is the equivalent to 4.2 yards per carry running the ball. So his numbers will look good, but he’ll be the same old Zay. Not awful, but never able to avoid the comparisons to JuJu or Kupp ...

Edited October 10, 2019 by The Frankish Reich

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

I think Duke will quickly have most of us forgetting about Zay. Brown and Beasley are your top 2 WR's but Duke is going to make those clutch catches we'd hoped Zay would make.

I think Duke is very focused and damn determined. Those are good things to have and this team is littered with those types of players IMO

Littered? Litter is bad juju.  Filled is better term.

5 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Yep.. Hell, if he has a 5 catch 60 yard game people will be running to OBD with pitchforks 

 

I hope OBD has large marshmallows to give out on Halloween to those in farmer costumes.  I hope some of the women have on Daisy Duke shorts and look good in them.

5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The Bills hung in there with him when he thought he was  Keith Moon after a gig in '67.  They took a shot, and I'm quite certain if Zay blossomed into a very solid #2 he would not have been traded. The comments about the evolving QB situation in WNY is fair game for analysts, scouts and GMs.  Personally, I'm not all that interested in the musings of the father of an NFL player on politics, the best places for Italian food, or his adult son's career. 

 

I have a little more respect for fathers of players when they played the game but only so much.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Someone made the point that he was drafted when Rico Dennison and a timing, WCO type offense were in town, and maybe he's just not a good fit for the offense Daboll runs and for the type of improvisational, zip-code accuracy QB that Allen is.  Allen needs a WR who will try to do the "mind meld" with him and adjust as Brown does and Beasley is starting to.  Zay doesn't seem able to do that.  He also still can't or won't outmuscle a defender for the ball.

 

It is funny we had a 7th round WR who could not get on track with QB so got few chances.  A new QB come on board and the QB is bright enough to understand the WR is not running bad routes but is adjusting routes to get to spot he needs to based on route and QB is the one who mind melds. Fitz and Stevie was a great combination.

4 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

oh  goodie ....  More Zay talk.   (in) 

 

Honestly, haven't we beaten this horse to powdered dust? 

 

Obviously no if you have opened thread.  We need more threads.

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, vorpma said:

Just wait until Jones has a good day and the usual's on TBD will be out in numbers attacking "McBeane" and everything else the team has done; give it time!

I will be too busy watching Duke's fine play against a strong Titan defense to care

[Dopey]

5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Bye Zay, thanks for making us waste a 2 on ya.  Don't let the Door hitya where the Good Lord $hitya.

You're mad at the wrong person for that. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

42 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Littered? Litter is bad juju.  Filled is better term.

 

I hope OBD has large marshmallows to give out on Halloween to those in farmer costumes.  I hope some of the women have on Daisy Duke shorts and look good in them.

 

I have a little more respect for fathers of players when they played the game but only so much.

As a father, I think it's hard to be objective when analyzing things that happen to your children. It's all way too personal. If I was Zay, I'd be telling Pops to keep his thoughts private. There is literally no upside to trashing the players that Zay shared a uniform with.  There might be exceptions where it's a push,  Geno Smith broken jaw with IK, maybe.  

[Punching Bag]

18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

As a father, I think it's hard to be objective when analyzing things that happen to your children. It's all way too personal. If I was Zay, I'd be telling Pops to keep his thoughts private. There is literally no upside to trashing the players that Zay shared a uniform with.  There might be exceptions where it's a push,  Geno Smith broken jaw with IK, maybe.  

 

I agree. Teams may decide they do not want to sign Zay due to baggage.   There is an infamous QB who cannot find a job partially due to baggage.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

I agree. Teams may decide they do not want to sign Zay due to baggage.   There is an infamous QB who cannot find a job partially due to baggage.

Such is life.  Actions have consequences. 

[egd]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

These articles that make me click to 6 different pages lose me after the first click.  Bush League crap.

 

Not sure if this is one of the six things, but having your family be social media crazy people is something that I think will always lead to a player leaving Buffalo.

 

The first article does, not the second.

[The Tomcat]

I wonder if he has eye issues.  Seems like he was always just a split second behind and didn't catch the ball very smoothly.  Maybe Josh throws em too hard.

Edited October 10, 2019 by The Tomcat

[vorpma]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I like Zay and believe he will do well.  It just didnt seem to be working here.  I think a lot of us that like the kid understand that.

All Sammy needed was a new pair of feet. 

Still the definition of mediocrity and he is injured again!

[KD in CA]

10 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Still the definition of mediocrity and he is injured again!

 

And he did his usual Sammy thing and had one monstrous game so far this year before disappearing again.  He'll be due for another around week 11.

[Maine-iac]

I still wouldn't be surprised to see Zay turn out to be a good receiver.  We are a defense driven team.  We play in a lot of low scoring closely contested games.  A wide receiver who can't make make a big catch unless the ball is thrown at him 10 times a game is going to have some rough weeks here.  The Raiders secondary is trash and Carr is most likely going to be throwing all day in come from behind games.  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Zay get on track if he gets the ball thrown at him 5 or 6 times a game for the rest of the season.  He always had all the physical tools but for some reason he just couldn't put it together and most importantly he flat out dropped the ball too much.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, egd said:

 

The first article does, not the second.

 

Yep.  Should have clarified that.  Thank you.

[vorpma]

10 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

And he did his usual Sammy thing and had one monstrous game so far this year before disappearing again.  He'll be due for another around week 11.

Why do so many on TBD cling so emotionally to him, that's my question?

[KD in CA]

Just now, vorpma said:

Why do so many on TBD cling so emotionally to him, that's my question?

 

Lots of people never get past the college highlight film.   

 

And they were aghast when Beane "got rid of all the talent on the team" by shedding Watkins and fellow losers like Tyrod and Dareus.  

[vorpma]

To this day, the "talent Beane got rid of" have not done squat - all over paid with lack of class and character; so happy he cleaned house!