soflabillsfan1 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I don't see Daboll or Frazier as HC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha. That would be such a Washington move. ....but, but Tomlin was the rumor candidate....BIGGER "ha ha" bud................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....but, but Tomlin was the rumor candidate....BIGGER "ha ha" bud................. Personally, I would be happier about the SB wining coach who’s never had a losing season (might change this year) than a guy who’s never been a head coach and has had mostly bottom offenses. overall, I think Daboll has done a decent job with Allen but it would downright depressed if my favorite team hired him as a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Exactly. Plays have been there and missed by Allen and others. It seems whenever an offense has issues, some fans resort to “ play calling “ as being the problem. It’s a false association, ie it didn’t work so you should have called the other thing blah blah blah. Aside from a couple questionable moments ( calling a second straight QB sneak on 4th and longer than a yard for example) Daboll has had a pretty good feel with his calls. Unless you have a clueless Dennison style run, run, pass scenario, play calling is the most overused cliche “ problem” in the book. It’s generally a lazy complaint. Great post, but never let it be said TBD lacks football experts ready to pounce on drama when provided the chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Personally, I would be happier about the SB wining coach who’s never had a losing season (might change this year) than a guy who’s never been a head coach and has had mostly bottom offenses. overall, I think Daboll has done a decent job with Allen but it would downright depressed if my favorite team hired him as a head coach. ......I'm AGREEING with you......the chuckle was why would Tomlin go to THAT clown show when he continues to be employed in one of the most consistent organizations in the NFL?... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: You'd have to be some kind of stupid to actually want the HC job in Washington. Dan Snyder is a coach killer. I remember when, before Rex, after we had a few disasters as HC the Buffalo job was not wanted. This is going to be 1000X worse for Washington in trying to fill their position! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 51 minutes ago, vincec said: Frazier had a shot and it didn't work out so I don't know why anyone would look at him differently from guys like Jim Schwartz, Wade Phillips, Steve Wilks, etc. etc. If Bill Belichick was only evaluated for his first HC job at Cleveland based on win-loss then we'd be a much happier fanbase right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, TroutDog said: Daboll was asked this point blank a while back and, at the time, stated he wanted to see this through to completion (meaning SB). I hope he he was being honest. There is an article in the Rochester D & C this morning about the fact that he’s put in 166 different alignments this year with the next closest being SD at 129. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/10/08/buffalo-bills-offense-remains-work-progress-josh-allen-matures-bye-week/3901105002/ I like what he’s doing. I'm not sure that it is a question of honesty. You can't expect to be successful in the OC role if you are telling people that you are ready to accept a HC job. He gave the answer that was appropriate. Daboll seems pragmatic though. He wont rush things. If reputational trends continue Daboll will be able to choose the right opportunity. Redskins ownership is generally regarded poorly. Jumping ship for the wrong opportunity is never good. You don't want to repeat the mistake Pettine made going to the Browns in '14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Frazier is a great DC but I’m not sure he would make a good HC. I really don’t want Frazier leaving and I would consider making him the highest paid DC so he stays. Frazier is a big reason this secondary is one of the best. Frazier is also a huge reason our young players on defense are developing so quickly. Daboll seems like he would try to be a HC but I also don’t think he would be a good HC. I think both of our coordinators are fine right where they are. Wasn’t Frazier the HC in Minnesota a while back ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Some guys are TOP coordinators, but that doesn't mean they will be good NFL head coaches. There are some mediocre coordinators that went on to become great NFL coaches. It takes a different kind of person to go from coordinator to head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Outside of Pettine...when have we lost a coordinator to a HC job? Marchibroda? I'm sure if our defense continues, Leslie Frazier will get some consideration too. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/09/could-buffalo-bills-brian-daboll-be-redskins-next-coach/ One would have to be VERY desperate to take that job. There is almost no chance to succeed. 33 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......I'm AGREEING with you......the chuckle was why would Tomlin go to THAT clown show when he continues to be employed in one of the most consistent organizations in the NFL?... Seriously - the rumors of him going to DC are too stupid to have even been acknowledged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 31 minutes ago, Putin said: Wasn’t Frazier the HC in Minnesota a while back ?? He was and he finished 21-32-1. With the lack of quality coaching around the NFL today I would think he would get another look. At the helm of a great defense for two years and has previous HC experience. Although the hot trend these days seems to be a young coach that with a certain stretch of the imagination can be called a QB guru or “the next McVay” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 51 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......I'm AGREEING with you......the chuckle was why would Tomlin go to THAT clown show when he continues to be employed in one of the most consistent organizations in the NFL?... Haha, gotcha. Reading is hard. While we still have some ways to go, it’s nice to be consider a joke like Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Beebe Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: neither need to consider going anywhere. still work to do and a solid playoff run yet to be had. I agree, after a couple years it would make sense but not yet. Also, your avatar McDermott kinda looks like Popeye. Ha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Putin said: Wasn’t Frazier the HC in Minnesota a while back ?? He was the intern and the next year he was HC. I think he is one of those DC’s that is a much better coordination than a HC. Dan Quinn and Fangio fall into the same category, very good DC who are better suited to stay coordinators. Edited October 9, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, TroutDog said: 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Outside of Pettine...when have we lost a coordinator to a HC job? Marchibroda? I'm sure if our defense continues, Leslie Frazier will get some consideration too. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/09/could-buffalo-bills-brian-daboll-be-redskins-next-coach/ Anthony Lynn? Edited October 9, 2019 by Buftex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He was the intern and the next year he was HC. I think he is one of those DC’s that is a much better coordination than a HC. Dan Quinn and Fangio fall into the same category, very good DC who a better suited to stay coordinators. Frazier was the HC in Minnesota for three and a half years (2010-2013). In 54 games, he had a 21-32-1 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CLTbills Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: I get that there's only 32 of these jobs on the planet. I still think you're nuts for wanting to take the job in DC. Yeah. I agree. I don't know what coordinators make... but say he's making a million here, and he gets offered 5 million to be the Head Coach in Washington? I get that the Washington job is not the greatest...but how do you turn that down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buftex said: Frazier was the HC in Minnesota for three and a half years (2010-2013). In 54 games, he had a 21-32-1 record. Yea I’m just going off memory, I didn’t remember how long he was HC for. I do remember him not having a good record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Lots of posts in here scoffing at and dismissing the idea that are going to lead to surprised/disappointed Bills fans. Losing coordinators is a symptom of being good. The Bills are 4-1 right now, and HC spots are starting to open up. The young McVay tree has already been picked bare. Not many other places to go. Daboll to Washington, Frazier to... Atlanta. I could totally see happening from both sides. Being a HC is the ultimate dream for just about every guy on every staff (except maybe Wade Phillips and previously Dick Labeau). Folks can reference McDaniels staying in New England, but he already left once and I believe is only staying because he has been promised the spot as Belichick's inevitable successor. I might be able to believe Frazier isnt into it, but he's only 60 and might want to give it one last shot and have one last pay day before retiring. I fully expect Daboll to jump at any chance he gets, and dont fault him for it. Even with a terrible owner situation like Washington. Maybe Pegula could offer Daboll a raise and pay him closer to HC wages. But I think title, prestige, and power go a long way with these guys. At least one will be gone this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 They deserve each other 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Whomever would consider the job has to love Haskins. Im not sure he’s a Daboll system QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Don't really see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They deserve each other A match made in... well.. definitely not heaven. and even hell seems too cool for these guys. Would love to see it tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Sometimes coordinators leave for the glory of being a HC and derail their careers for years. Mike Pettine was a really good DC for the Bills who left to become the HC of the hopeless Browns. He was fired of course because no one could win there, then. He's been back on the road as a DC ever since, doing a great job, but I don't know who might take another chance on him as HC. I've been worried more about Frazier leaving at the end of the year, than about the loss of any D player. Lorax might retire, but everyone else seems like they'll be around unless replaced by an upgrade. Daboll hasn't proven himself to be ready as a HC. And as an OC, his record here isn't very stellar. The O is a lot better than last year but that's partly due to better personnel. His schemes generally work and I think the Bills will really come into their own as the D continues to play lights out, and the O improves through the year. Some team might take a chance with him but I doubt it. I'd love to see him stick around and establish his system for several years. Look what the continuity of Frazier on D has resulted in. 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: A match made in... well.. definitely not heaven. and even hell seems too cool for these guys. Would love to see it tho. I'm pretty sure the Skins need a professional coach. Ixnay on Wrecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Utah John said: I'm pretty sure the Skins need a professional coach. Ixnay on Wrecks. Are you a Washington fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I often find myself being frustrated with Daboll. What’s his offense averaging? Can’t be more than 16 points per game this year. On many of his series I find myself frustrated with his play calling. This team is winning right now because of the defense, not Daboll’s play calling. Call me crazy, but I don’t view him as being a big loss at this point in time. nobody ever likes the OC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Are you a Washington fan? Absolutely not. I think Snyder is a disaster, and when I lived in DC I found the arrogance of the Skins fans annoying. But I am Wrecks hater and I never want to see that bozo working again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Utah John said: Absolutely not. I think Snyder is a disaster, and when I lived in DC I found the arrogance of the Skins fans annoying. But I am Wrecks hater and I never want to see that bozo working again. Same, but that's why I think he and Snyder dragging each other down is much more... fitting, than letting Rex earn easy money as an ESPN analyst. Put those two aholes in a room together and let them smell each others farts for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Utah John said: Absolutely not. I think Snyder is a disaster, and when I lived in DC I found the arrogance of the Skins fans annoying. But I am Wrecks hater and I never want to see that bozo working again. He's working at ESPN and collecting money from the Pegulas. I'd rather see him coach in DC, where he'll make a fool of himself again, but this time on Snyder's payroll. Win-win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: They deserve each other Hahaha, I came here to post this. He'd take some french fries too, but no one's offering that either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 This team is on our schedule ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They deserve each other I need this train wreck in my life. Please make this happen and please let him hire his utterly worthless DC brother. I have friends who are Redskin fans that I can’t wait to rub this in. One of them bet me straight up $100 that Redskins would have a better record than the Bills. Same guy also bet me and took the under another $100 on 6 wins for the Bills. He kept saying he didn’t know how many wins the skins would get, but probably would be 8 or 9 and that he did know that was more than 5 the Bills were going to win. I was like I’m sure and knew it would be the easiest $200 I’ve ever made. Edited October 9, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I expect Daboll to become a HC soon, but he may need another 12 months of seasoning in the Bills OC job first.. Hope it works out that way anyway...because next year the Bills championship window will be the size of the Grand Canyon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I expect Daboll to know better than to throw his career away by doing to work for that clown Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I'm hoping the Bills are able to build Patriots-like front office loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I don’t think Daboll is ready to be a head coach. Bad for Buffalo, bad for Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Whomever would consider the job has to love Haskins. Im not sure he’s a Daboll system QB Haskins could get “Rosen’d” daboll coached Tua in college .. could be a situation like Arizona last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 hours ago, TroutDog said: Daboll was asked this point blank a while back and, at the time, stated he wanted to see this through to completion (meaning SB). I hope he he was being honest. There is an article in the Rochester D & C this morning about the fact that he’s put in 166 different alignments this year with the next closest being SD at 129. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/10/08/buffalo-bills-offense-remains-work-progress-josh-allen-matures-bye-week/3901105002/ I like what he’s doing. No wonder Josh looks bad. It also confirms my suspicion of him trying to be too clever. Take a note from the defense. Simplify. Beat the guy across from you. You've got a guy in Josh that can adlib and I feel like he should be afforded at least a little space to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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