Zay Jones traded to Raiders for 5th rounder

[JMF2006]

2 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

In between muggings and car jackings, perhaps Raider Nation will appreciate Jones’ contesting for balls with opposing defensive backs.

 

He can't even catch the ball when he is wide open :(

Edited October 8, 2019 by JMF2006

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Certainly, Zay showed he was incapable of being the WR they needed or wanted him to be.

 

 

 

We differ.  If my bullseye has a time component and I don't make the time component, partial credit at best.

 

Read my OP instead of the thread title...

[Irv]

One and a half years of community college graphic arts classes down the drain. 

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Irv

[SoTier]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He didn't get cut

 

 

Sorry, off by 5 weeks counts as nailed, it does not.

 

At any rate, I've been strongly disappointed by Zay myself, but to my eyes he could play in the NFL - block and run routes and catch.   He wasn't a good WR, a #1 or #2 but he does belong on an NFL roster IMO.  

This is going to sound snarky but it's sincere: I hope I and the fans who are expressing the "good riddance" "street FA could play better" "PS guys could play better" "McKensie and Foster can play better" sentiments don't regret the move later this season if the injury bug bites our WR corps.

 

I like much of what I see from McDermott and Beane but I think their offensive side depth decisions aren't always on point.  RB would be an example this season so far.

 

This is my worry, too.  It appears to me, like releasing McCoy, that this is just another short-sighted move on the offensive side of the ball simply to save a relatively few dollars.  In the case of Jones, it's more like a case of saving pennies in terms of NFL salaries (Zay made about $ 1 million, Johnson makes about half of that).

 

I have never been a fan of Zay Jones but the Bills aren't that loaded with WR talent that Jones couldn't have a place on the depth chart.  Except from Beasley and Brown, the Bills WR corps is now made up of players who are suspect NFL talent.  Robert Foster is an UDFA in his 2nd season.  Isaiah McKenzie is an UDFA in his 3rd season.   Duke Williams is a refugee from the CFL via the PS in his first NFL season .  Andre Roberts is in his 10th NFL season but he's primarily a kick returner.   The Bills WR corps is simply not good enough for today's NFL, even if they had Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson under center.

 

IMO, Beane and McDermott treat the offense like the proverbial "red headed step child".   They don't cut/trade defensive starters just to save some $$$ but seem to hoard talent.  They got a first class QB prospect, but surrounded him with mediocre/poor talent, and then expect him to carry the team.  On defense, coaching and scheme can hide a lot of deficiencies, but lack of speed, size, vision, elusiveness, and/or pass catching ability by WRs and RBs can't be coached or schemed around so easily.

 

For Beane and McDermott, it's a win-win situation. 

• If Allen turns out to be a super talent, then the Bills make the playoffs and have some success and Beane and McDermott are hailed as "geniuses". 
• If Allen doesn't develop into a super talent immediately and the Bills don't even make the playoffs, Allen gets most of the blame, and Beane and McDermott are off the hook until Allen is labeled a "bust", which could take several more years (see Bortles, Winston, and Mariota).

If you think I'm just being "negative" in this view, consider that the Bills didn't even bother to hire a real QB coach for Allen last season.  David Culley, the Bills QB coach in 2018, hadn't actually coached QBs since the 1980s when he coached QBs for a year at the collegiate level.  If the Bills don't make the playoffs this season, Josh Allen might be part of the problem, but McDermott and Beane will bear far more responsibiliy for it.

 

1 minute ago, freddyjj said:

A no brainer for Raiders if they keep him for 2 years.  His contract expires at end of 2021 and if he signs elsewhere they could still get a comp pick for him in that draft.  That would possibly make up for what they gave up for him.  

 

What would be even worse is if Jones becomes a productive WR for the Raiders when he's not expected to be a #1 or #2.  I'm not expecting much from Jones, but Jerry Hughes was considered a bust on his original team.

[transplantbillsfan]

Without reading 18 pages, are the posters like @JoPar_v2 @LSHMEAB & @LOVEMESOMEBILLS hiding right now or are they owning up to Zay not being the "established NFL WR" some on here believe he was?

 

I can't believe we got a 5th for him!

 

Even if it's for 2021. Great job Beane!

Edited October 8, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Zay’s value couldn’t have been worse. Happy we at least got something for him.

 

Yeah that's why I'm happy we got a 5th, even if it's in 2021.

 

Really wish we traded him before the season when his value was at its peak.

 

I guess Beane just really liked the kid and wanted to give him another shot.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Without reading 18 pages, are the posters like @JoPar_v2 @LSHMEAB & @LOVEMESOMEBILLS hiding right now or are they owning up to Zay not being the "established NFL WR" some on here believe he was?

 

I can't believe we got a 5th for him!

 

Even if it's for 2021. Great job Beane!

Eh, I think @LSHMEAB one of the more astute posters on this board. Hapless, too, who rightly points out that Jones is an NFL wr, just not a #2 or even maybe a #3. I'm disappointed he didn't work out and I agree with SoTier, who otherwise I consider too much in the habitual darksider crowd, that evaluation on the offensive side is still a question mark with this regime. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Without reading 18 pages, are the posters like @JoPar_v2 @LSHMEAB & @LOVEMESOMEBILLS hiding right now or are they owning up to Zay not being the "established NFL WR" some on here believe he was?

 

I can't believe we got a 5th for him!

 

Even if it's for 2021. Great job Beane!

real cool calling folks out.

 

fare well on your next journey zay.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Same here.... Zay defied logic. He looked the part athleticism etc to be a good #2. Just melted into a puddle of goo at every turn. 

 

Oh oh well on we go. Good to have a wr with a number in the 80’s 

 

His deep ball tracking was honestly my biggest issue with him.  He was solid on the deep crossers - his hands improved from year 1 - he just couldn't get on the same page as Allen on deep passes and they want foster there on gamedays i think.

[SCBills]

I'm fully prepared for him to take the #2 role with the Raiders and have some 6 catch, 80 yards and a TD games, but it just wasn't going to work here.

[Nihilarian]

Zay Jones had a 38.9 catch percentage so far this season, which means he caught less the half the passes thrown his way. You can't waste so many offensive opportunities. 

 

So, go ahead and blame Josh Allen and his accuracy issues...until you see that Duke Williams had 4 passes thrown his way and caught all four. One for a TD!

 

Jones was productive last season with 102 targets, 56 receptions for a 54.9 percentage, 7 TDs. While being Allen's main target. Still, his alligator arms and inability to fight for a contested ball is what caused the fan scorn. 

 

Someone mentioned that Jones had 158 receptions for 1746 yards in his senior year at East Carolina which is pretty spectacular. So I can understand why the Bills drafted him with a second round pick.  Sometimes those gaudy stats simply don't translate to the NFL. Perry Tuttle anyone?

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

This is my worry, too.  It appears to me, like releasing McCoy, that this is just another short-sighted move on the offensive side of the ball simply to save a relatively few dollars.  In the case of Jones, it's more like a case of saving pennies in terms of NFL salaries (Zay made about $ 1 million, Johnson makes about half of that).

 

I have never been a fan of Zay Jones but the Bills aren't that loaded with WR talent that Jones couldn't have a place on the depth chart.  Except from Beasley and Brown, the Bills WR corps is now made up of players who are suspect NFL talent.  Robert Foster is an UDFA in his 2nd season.  Isaiah McKenzie is an UDFA in his 3rd season.   Duke Williams is a refugee from the CFL via the PS in his first NFL season .  Andre Roberts is in his 10th NFL season but he's primarily a kick returner.   The Bills WR corps is simply not good enough for today's NFL, even if they had Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson under center.

 

IMO, Beane and McDermott treat the offense like the proverbial "red headed step child".   They don't cut/trade defensive starters just to save some $$$ but seem to hoard talent.  They got a first class QB prospect, but surrounded him with mediocre/poor talent, and then expect him to carry the team.  On defense, coaching and scheme can hide a lot of deficiencies, but lack of speed, size, vision, elusiveness, and/or pass catching ability by WRs and RBs can't be coached or schemed around so easily.

 

For Beane and McDermott, it's a win-win situation. 

• If Allen turns out to be a super talent, then the Bills make the playoffs and have some success and Beane and McDermott are hailed as "geniuses". 
• If Allen doesn't develop into a super talent immediately and the Bills don't even make the playoffs, Allen gets most of the blame, and Beane and McDermott are off the hook until Allen is labeled a "bust", which could take several more years (see Bortles, Winston, and Mariota).

If you think I'm just being "negative" in this view, consider that the Bills didn't even bother to hire a real QB coach for Allen last season.  David Culley, the Bills QB coach in 2018, hadn't actually coached QBs since the 1980s when he coached QBs for a year at the collegiate level.  If the Bills don't make the playoffs this season, Josh Allen might be part of the problem, but McDermott and Beane will bear far more responsibiliy for it.

 

 

What would be even worse is if Jones becomes a productive WR for the Raiders when he's not expected to be a #1 or #2.  I'm not expecting much from Jones, but Jerry Hughes was considered a bust on his original team.

 

Jerry Hughes played behind two All Pros in Freeney and Mathis....

Zay has had opportunity after opportunity.....

Edited October 8, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Zay Jones had a 38.9 catch percentage so far this season, which means he caught less the half the passes thrown his way. You can't waste so many offensive opportunities. 

 

So, go ahead and blame Josh Allen and his accuracy issues...until you see that Duke Williams had 4 passes thrown his way and caught all four. One for a TD!

 

Jones was productive last season with 102 targets, 56 receptions for a 54.9 percentage, 7 TDs. While being Allen's main target. Still, his alligator arms and inability to fight for a contested ball is what caused the fan scorn. 

 

Someone mentioned that Jones had 158 receptions for 1746 yards in his senior year at East Carolina which is pretty spectacular. So I can understand why the Bills drafted him with a second round pick.  Sometimes those gaudy stats simply don't translate to the NFL. Perry Tuttle anyone?

 

Yup.  Zay might be decent in Oakland, but he's not as good as Duke seems to be, at least as good as he seems to be in our system. 

 

With Foster hopefully getting healthy and Duke taking his spot, we did the right thing by moving him.

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I'm fully prepared for him to take the #2 role with the Raiders and have some 6 catch, 80 yards and a TD games, but it just wasn't going to work here.

 

this could happen, and if it does I fully expect there to be a large contingent of "beane doesn't know what he's doing with WR's" posters on this board. That being said, sometimes players just don't work one place and they do the next. It's usually as much on the player as it is on the team. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was willing to give him time as he’s had a lot of different QBs since he came here but this season I began to think that any throw to him was just a wasted down. 

 

Yeah, I was coming towards that viewpoint myself. 

 

I started to write a post a couple days ago about how maybe Zay just wasn't the right fit for this bit-of-a-wild-man QB and the offense Daboll wants to run.  I got into it and started writing: We all know the guy can't play deep.  As someone said, he is not fleet of foot, he does not get separation, he does not track the ball and adjust.  Watching Brown and Beasley I have to say, he can't really be relied upon make those contested catch over the middle.  He struggles to release, he struggles to stay on his route against physical coverage, he doesn't have an extra gear for a ball thrown out in front of him.  And, there have been too many instances where he has a catch and just can't haul it in - lacks focus.

 

So then I got to, just where would he be a great fit?  Maybe for a mature, very experienced and precise QB and an offense that runs lots of screens?

 

He works hard, he knows and can run the route tree, he blocks willingly, he just seems to lack that fire in his belly, maybe what the players call "the dawg in him".  He just doesn't make it happen.

 

24 minutes ago, SoTier said:

This is my worry, too.  It appears to me, like releasing McCoy, that this is just another short-sighted move on the offensive side of the ball simply to save a relatively few dollars.  In the case of Jones, it's more like a case of saving pennies in terms of NFL salaries (Zay made about $ 1 million, Johnson makes about half of that).

 

I don't think, with Jones, it's a case of saving pennies at all.  I think they wanted something from Zay (playing with more competitiveness or fire perhaps) and they wanted something from Duke (learning the offense and route tree better).  They got the latter, they didn't get the former, so Good-bye Zay.

 

I think it would have made sense to leave him on the roster as a backup, but maybe they plan to make a move.  And maybe there was some stuff behind the scenes - certainly Zay's Dad has tweeted Big Attitude about Allen as a QB, and maybe that reflects something Zay is quiet about, but feels and it shows a bit.

 

But yeah, I am concerned that Beane and McDermott still don't give the offense its propers.  But it may be that it's just lagging a year behind.  Last year we had a good D but not enough depth.  This year built depth and added starters to the O.  Maybe next year more depth.

 

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For Beane and McDermott, it's a win-win situation. 

• If Allen turns out to be a super talent, then the Bills make the playoffs and have some success and Beane and McDermott are hailed as "geniuses". 
• If Allen doesn't develop into a super talent immediately and the Bills don't even make the playoffs, Allen gets most of the blame, and Beane and McDermott are off the hook until Allen is labeled a "bust", which could take several more years (see Bortles, Winston, and Mariota).

If you think I'm just being "negative" in this view, consider that the Bills didn't even bother to hire a real QB coach for Allen last season.  David Culley, the Bills QB coach in 2018, hadn't actually coached QBs since the 1980s when he coached QBs for a year at the collegiate level.  If the Bills don't make the playoffs this season, Josh Allen might be part of the problem, but McDermott and Beane will bear far more responsibiliy for it.

 

I think Daboll believed he would have time to coach Josh Allen more than he actually did at the NFL level.  Josh mentioned something about the difference this year where Daboll didn't have to sit in the QB room.  There's tape out there of Daboll working heavily with the QBs at 'bama.

 

I also think McDermott asked Daboll to come in and try to work with many of the coaches already in place - Castillo, Culley, etc.  After Daboll got the O to show improvement through the season and could make a case for what he needed to take another step, he built cred with McDermott and got to bring in his own guys.  We had a lot of churn in the offensive assistants this off season.

 

But there still are some real head-scratchers in the whole offensive picture, I won't rehash here.

[CardinalScotts]

13 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Didn't we use 6 second round draft picks to move up and get Zay?  Flipping for a future 5th rounder is pretty disappointing.

landing Duke covered this bad pick with interest. If your critical on one hand you have  to praise the other side

[ndirish1978]

Zay was so utterly replaceable that Duke Williams allowed us to make this move by simply catching the balls that were thrown to him in a single game.

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

This is my worry, too.  It appears to me, like releasing McCoy, that this is just another short-sighted move on the offensive side of the ball simply to save a relatively few dollars.  In the case of Jones, it's more like a case of saving pennies in terms of NFL salaries (Zay made about $ 1 million, Johnson makes about half of that).

 

I have never been a fan of Zay Jones but the Bills aren't that loaded with WR talent that Jones couldn't have a place on the depth chart.  Except from Beasley and Brown, the Bills WR corps is now made up of players who are suspect NFL talent.  Robert Foster is an UDFA in his 2nd season.  Isaiah McKenzie is an UDFA in his 3rd season.   Duke Williams is a refugee from the CFL via the PS in his first NFL season .  Andre Roberts is in his 10th NFL season but he's primarily a kick returner.   The Bills WR corps is simply not good enough for today's NFL, even if they had Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson under center.

 

Half the NFL is made up of UDFA and late round picks.  In fact, nearly 30% is made up of UDFA players alone.

 

Going into his senior season, Duke was considered the top NFL WR prospect before off field stuff would get him kicked off the team.  Had he come out after us junior year he was expected to have been a first or second round pick that year.

 

Doesn't matter how you get to the NFL, once you’re here your path to get here or draft status is 100% irrelevant.  

 

So puzzling you want to dismiss all our receivers for being UDFA players.  Especially since our worst WR was our highest drafted one in Zay.  And last year our worst WR was a former first round pick.

 

Draft position is irrelevant, it’s what you do on the field.

 

That being said, I’m sure Beane is still going to add to the WR room either via trade for one of the rumored guys available or this offseason.  Point is, all the guys on our team have been offering more than Zay was, so this was the right move for this team right now

 

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IMO, Beane and McDermott treat the offense like the proverbial "red headed step child".   They don't cut/trade defensive starters just to save some $$$ but seem to hoard talent.  They got a first class QB prospect, but surrounded him with mediocre/poor talent, and then expect him to carry the team.  On defense, coaching and scheme can hide a lot of deficiencies, but lack of speed, size, vision, elusiveness, and/or pass catching ability by WRs and RBs can't be coached or schemed around so easily.

 

Huh?  We signed a gazillion offensive players this offseason and also drafted 3 offensive players in the first 4 rounds.  Not to mention in Beane’s first draft he did everything he needed to do to draft the QB he coveted.  So I am puzzled you think this.

 

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For Beane and McDermott, it's a win-win situation. 

• If Allen turns out to be a super talent, then the Bills make the playoffs and have some success and Beane and McDermott are hailed as "geniuses". 
• If Allen doesn't develop into a super talent immediately and the Bills don't even make the playoffs, Allen gets most of the blame, and Beane and McDermott are off the hook until Allen is labeled a "bust", which could take several more years (see Bortles, Winston, and Mariota).

If you think I'm just being "negative" in this view, consider that the Bills didn't even bother to hire a real QB coach for Allen last season.  David Culley, the Bills QB coach in 2018, hadn't actually coached QBs since the 1980s when he coached QBs for a year at the collegiate level.  If the Bills don't make the playoffs this season, Josh Allen might be part of the problem, but McDermott and Beane will bear far more responsibiliy for it.

 

I do think this is a bit of being negative.  It over looks all the things they have done to try and help Josh this year develop and have the tools to succeed.

 

And we are 4-1 and should be 5-0

 

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What would be even worse is if Jones becomes a productive WR for the Raiders when he's not expected to be a #1 or #2.  I'm not expecting much from Jones, but Jerry Hughes was considered a bust on his original team.

 

Not worried about this.  And if he does, good for him, but it doesn’t matter, because he wasn’t productive here and wasn’t getting any better here.  Sometimes a change of scenery can help a player, and if it does, then great for Zay.

Edited October 8, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

real cool calling folks out.

 

fare well on your next journey zay.

 

So sensitive!

 

Fact of the matter is that some posters thought Zay should have never been on the team at all this year. @Alphadawg7 being the first on board probably.

 

I wish no I'll will on Zay, I just don't think he belongs on a football field until he gets his head straight, which might be never.

 

From the time in the preseason that he couldn't reel in that pass from Allen by the EZ before getting hit, which coincided with the rise of Duuuuuuuke, a number of us wanted Zay off the team in large part so Duke could be on. 

 

Zay just sucks right now and has for his career. Yes, expectations were high for him, so that factors in, but I can't remember a Wr we've had that I whoop out of near shock so loud when he actually catches the football. And sadly that's not hyperbole.

 

Happy trails Zay, I hope you turn your career around, but I'm happy I never have to type your name in on my tablet and get "Zay" automatically changed to "Say" again!

[C.Biscuit97]

42 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

He can't even catch the ball when he is wide open :(

I was not a Zay fan but the one skill he had that was really good were his hands. I believe confidence affected him.  He had some drops, won’t get that many opportunities, and probably over thought everything. I’m more than fine with him leaving but with a dink and dinker like Carr, I can see him making some plays.  But he will never be anything special.

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Jets potentially

 

Wow, makin that 6,000 mile flight to be in WNY for the holiday season? Good for you! My favorite time to visit! I'm actually here right now and super bummed the 2 Sundays I'm here are the Titans game the other day and our bye week.

 

Oh well... gotta go off the public school breaks.

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said:

landing Duke covered this bad pick with interest. If your critical on one hand you have  to praise the other side

Picking up a street free agent does not excuse using 9 second round picks to select Zay Jones.

[Jobot]

13 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Didn't we use 6 second round draft picks to move up and get Zay?  Flipping for a future 5th rounder is pretty disappointing.

 

Better than nothing.  Not every draft pick is going to work out.  I'm glad to see this regime cut ties early and show decisiveness.

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Picking up a street free agent does not excuse using 9 second round picks to select Zay Jones.

 

I thought it was 6?

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

Better than nothing.  Not every draft pick is going to work out.  I'm glad to see this regime cut ties early and show decisiveness.

 

I thought it was 6?

It was technically 11 2nd round picks, but who's counting? 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

So sensitive!

not at all, I just think the call out stuff is for the sandbox.

[Bangarang]

34 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yeah that's why I'm happy we got a 5th, even if it's in 2021.

 

Really wish we traded him before the season when his value was at its peak.

 

I guess Beane just really liked the kid and wanted to give him another shot.

sucks that we had to give up on a 2nd round pick we traded up for 2 years ago.

 

[Socal-805]

14 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

In 2021 though.

 

 

Maybe by 2021 they package that pick with another ick and move up into the 3-4 range??

 

IDK

 

 

[Ennjay]

31 minutes ago, SCBills said:

With Foster hopefully getting healthy and Duke taking his spot, we did the right thing by moving him.

 

I really think this says it all.

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I was not a Zay fan but the one skill he had that was really good were his hands. I believe confidence affected him.  He had some drops, won’t get that many opportunities, and probably over thought everything. I’m more than fine with him leaving but with a dink and dinker like Carr, I can see him making some plays.  But he will never be anything special.

 

Are you saying Zay was really good with his hands in college?  If so, then I would agree with you.  But I dont know anyone can really say his hands have been a good skill of his in the NFL.

 

Maybe his shaky hands have resulted from mental struggles or confidence issues and he can shake some of that off with a change of scenery.  But I think his hands were his biggest issue in his time here...bobbled too many of the passes he did catch, dropped too many passes, and just had such a limited catch radius with little ability to make tougher catches and contested catches.

[The Dean]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thanks @MrEpsYtown but don't hold your breath.  People will STILL ignore the substance of the post and the thread that was not only spot on about Zay, but also Foster, Duke, and our off season.  The only thing I was off on was the timing of the trade, and I missed it by 5 weeks despite writing this thread in February before Free Agency even begun.  

 

In fact, here is the thread...GUARANTEE they don't even read my OP before saying I was "wrong".

 

 

 

 

 

 

LMAO at these comments above here, haters gonna hate.  Still trying to throw shade even though 100% of everything I said was proven spot on accurate.  From FA signings, to Duke, to Foster, and of course Zay and even the boldest part which was the trade.  Better yet, it was reported that they tried to trade him at roster cut downs like I predicted.   

 

At the end of the day, I made a prediction 9 months ago and was off by 5 weeks on the execution...and you still trying to hate.  LMAO.  

 

 

 

Not a hater, but who calls their shot in a headline "Calling it now!" and then misses on that very prediction. Yes, your content was fine. But your prediction was WRONG.

 

Stop backpeddinng and especially MUGGING with a picture of the disgusting phony athlete who can't seem to see fingers. 

 

Seriously, a modest "I was close" might have worked. But a taunting LAMP celebration is a bad look, when your prediction is WRONG. 

 

"Yeah! We lost. But I was right about what we needed to do. Suck on it!"  See, not a good look. That's the point I was trying to make. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Without reading 18 pages, are the posters like @JoPar_v2 @LSHMEAB & @LOVEMESOMEBILLS hiding right now or are they owning up to Zay not being the "established NFL WR" some on here believe he was?

 

I can't believe we got a 5th for him!

 

Even if it's for 2021. Great job Beane!

 

Your posts on Tyrod were infinitely worse than anyone you’re calling out.  

 

Come on man.     

 

 

[One Buffalo]

I liked Zay coming out of college and thought he brought a lot of promise... but McBeane has done the right thing here by recognizing it is time to move on.  Call it a miss if you want, but everyone has misses.  They hurt, but it is myopic to get too upset about the miss, even though it was a second round pick that we traded up to get.  Even Hoodie/ the Evil Empire is known for missing on 2nd rounders... https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-second-round-draft-picks-under-bill-belichick-run-gamut  They just gave up on their 2018 second round pick... time to move on!  

Edited October 8, 2019 by One Buffalo

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yeah that's why I'm happy we got a 5th, even if it's in 2021.

Can we redeem it earlier?  ?

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Not a hater, but who calls their shot in a headline "Calling it now!" and then misses on that very prediction. Yes, your content was fine. But your prediction was WRONG.

 

Stop backpeddinng and especially MUGGING with a picture of the disgusting phony athlete who can't seem to see fingers. 

 

Seriously, a modest "I was close" might have worked. But a taunting LAMP celebration is a bad look, when your prediction is WRONG. 

 

"Yeah! We lost. But I was right about what we needed to do. Suck on it!"  See, not a good look. That's the point I was trying to make. 

 

LMAO at this post...back pedaling lol?  Whatever man, all good.  You know I was spot on everything I wrote in the post, and I even said in the opening of the very post the prediction could very well be wrong.  Its pretty petty and silly to sit back and piss and moan still about a thread title that both was NOT the substance of the thread and proved right and missed by only 5 weeks on a prediction made 9 months prior.  Not to mention, it was reported Bills tried to trade Zay before week 1 and it fell through,.  

 

And dude get off your high horse...I took a ton of s*** for something I ultimately was right about and stayed civil about despite all the trolling I took.  I earned the right to poke fun a bit and you clearly have some serious issues with wrestlers or something and also seem to have no clue what the gesture he is doing actually means lol

 

Same people still cant read past a headline and just appreciate what was a pretty good thread for TSW overall and ultimately pretty accurate not just on Zay, but Duke, Foster, Free Agency, and even the trade compensation.  

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

LMAO at this post...back pedaling lol?  Whatever man, all good.  You know I was spot on everything I wrote in the post, and I even said in the opening of the very post the prediction could very well be wrong.  Its pretty petty and silly to sit back and piss and moan still about a thread title that both was NOT the substance of the thread and proved right and missed by only 5 weeks on a prediction made 9 months prior.  Not to mention, it was reported Bills tried to trade Zay before week 1 and it fell through,.  

 

And dude get off your high horse...I took a ton of s*** for something I ultimately was right about and stayed civil about despite all the trolling I took.  I earned the right to poke fun a bit and you clearly have some serious issues with wrestlers or something and also seem to have no clue what the gesture he is doing actually means lol

 

Same people still cant read past a headline and just appreciate what was a pretty good thread for TSW overall and ultimately pretty accurate not just on Zay, but Duke, Foster, Free Agency, and even the trade compensation.  

 

[The Dean]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

LMAO at this post...back pedaling lol?  Whatever man, all good.  You know I was spot on everything I wrote in the post, and I even said in the opening of the very post the prediction could very well be wrong.  

 

Well you were wrong about your called shot. You knew you might be. So just admit you were wrong about that. That's all I'm saying. 

 

Some of the content in your post was quite good (though nothing that revelatory). Like I said, a little humble/modest post about how you had so much right, but were WRONG with your prediction might have served you better. Just sayin.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, The Dean said:

 

Well you were wrong about your called shot. You knew you might be. So just admit you were wrong about that. That's all I'm saying. 

 

Some of the content in your post was quite good (though nothing that revelatory). Like I said, a little humble/modest post about how you had so much right, but were WRONG with your prediction might have served you better. Just sayin.

 

Except I already did all that when the prediction was wrong...so there's that too.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Raider Fan Takes 

 

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/showthread.php?3908-Raiders-acquired-WR-Zay-Jones-from-the-Bills-in-exchange-for-a-2021-fifth-round-pick/page2

 

 

Interesting tidbid pointing to something GMs have over Mayock...

 

Because he’s been public with his past draft rankings, other GMs know players he liked coming out. 

 

Interesting a raiders poster knew Mayock liked Zay coming out. 

 

Probably a good starting point if you are shopping a player around. 

 

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was willing to give him time as he’s had a lot of different QBs since he came here but this season I began to think that any throw to him was just a wasted down. 

 

Looked a lot like josh started feeling that way too. 

 

Once that happens it’s time to move on... 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

If I read the OP correctly, it's a 2021 pick, which I think is considered equivalent to a round lower in the next dra, so a fifth in 2021 would be considered equivalent to a sixth rounder in 2020, so not so "wow!" especially since the Bills spent a 2nd and a 3rd on him in 2017.  

The fact that we got anything for him is pretty amazing.   I thought he was going to get cut.

 

This is in the DE Johnson or TE Sweeney range from this last draft

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

His deep ball tracking was honestly my biggest issue with him.  He was solid on the deep crossers - his hands improved from year 1 - he just couldn't get on the same page as Allen on deep passes and they want foster there on gamedays i think.

 

Yeah never much of a deep ball guy. I thought he could handle a Bob Woods role, but that’s the Raiders problem now. And even though I defended him vehemently for a long while, I don’t care if he averages 300 yds a game for the raiders now. It was time to move on. Maybe his issues were exacerbated by a bad scheme fit or chemistry with the QB. Don’t know. 

 

Foster is the next one that you wonder about. Duke didn’t just go from PS to roster. He got the second most targets of the WRs.

 

He leapt over McKenzie, Foster and Roberts albeit Foster is hurt.

 

Still open question whether Foster has stuck with the process or if he is the next target to be upgraded. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood