BuffaloBaumer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Allen's out there? Like out there with pads or out there throwin the ball to Matt again? Out there...thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Great news about Allen. Actually might be a blessing it’s raining. Last time I checked there was a high percentage for rain on Sunday. 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Uh oh, the old hands in his pockets... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seasons1992 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Happy they're getting work in the rain. Gonna need it Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Allen will be the QB for the Bills Sunday and that is a good thing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Josh's ability to play will hinge purely on whether he clears protocol or not. If you try playing that game you're talking about because of his confidence and poor play last week, I would argue it has the opposite effect. He's a competitor. If he's healthy and kept off the field, that's more of a shot to his confidence FOR SURE than him MAAAAAAAYBE playing poorly. It all depends how the message is delivered. McD is eminently capable of putting a positive spin on it; something along the lines of, "Great job on getting through the protocol so quickly. You're one tough MFer! Brian and I talked it over with Terry and Kim and we've decided to play it safe on this one and go with Matt this week. That was one hell of shot you took. You're the future of this team and we want to be 100% sure we're not jeopardizing that. Plus, if we're being honest that was a rough performance Sunday. There are some things we want you to work on with Brian over the bye -- footwork, reads -- so we come back strong vs. Miami. You're doing great, just keep working." If Josh can't handle an explanation like that and loses his confidence over it then perhaps we've all misjudged him. I think it's easier to get over the idea that you're being held back than going out there and failing before you're ready. Edited October 3, 2019 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, VW82 said: It all depends how the message is delivered. McD is eminently capable of putting a positive spin on it; something along the lines of, "Great job on getting through the protocol so quickly. You're one tough MFer! Brian and I talked it over with Terry and Kim and we've decided to play it safe on this one and go with Matt this week. That was one hell of shot you took. You're the future of this team and we want to be 100% sure we're not jeopardizing that. Plus, if we're being honest that was a rough performance Sunday. There are some things we want you to work on with Brian over the bye -- footwork, reads -- so we come back strong vs. Miami. You're doing great, just keep working." If Josh can't handle an explanation like that and loses his confidence over it then perhaps we've all misjudged him. I think it's easier to get over the idea that you're being held back than going out there and failing before you're ready. You’re either in the protocol or out of it. Allen won’t be any more or less out of the protocol after the bye week if he’s out of it now. He’s the QB and has to work through the ups and downs. This is a big game in the AFC WC picture , so I don’t think McD or the organization will think about this situation like you are. If he’s the QB of the team, he plays when he’s cleared. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, VW82 said: It all depends how the message is delivered. McD is eminently capable of putting a positive spin on it; something along the lines of, "Great job on getting through the protocol so quickly. You're one tough MFer! Brian and I talked it over with Terry and Kim and we've decided to play it safe on this one and go with Matt this week. That was one hell of shot you took. You're the future of this team and we want to be 100% sure we're not jeopardizing that. Plus, if we're being honest that was a rough performance Sunday. There are some things we want you to work on with Brian over the bye -- footwork, reads -- so we come back strong vs. Miami. You're doing great, just keep working." If Josh can't handle an explanation like that and loses his confidence over it then perhaps we've all misjudged him. I think it's easier to get over the idea that you're being held back than going out there and failing before you're ready. So, bench him for having a bad game, but make it sound like it’s out of concern for his health while making sure to sound as condescending as possible. Got it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, VW82 said: It all depends how the message is delivered. McD is eminently capable of putting a positive spin on it; something along the lines of, "Great job on getting through the protocol so quickly. You're one tough MFer! Brian and I talked it over with Terry and Kim and we've decided to play it safe on this one and go with Matt this week. That was one hell of shot you took. You're the future of this team and we want to be 100% sure we're not jeopardizing that. Plus, if we're being honest that was a rough performance Sunday. There are some things we want you to work on with Brian over the bye -- footwork, reads -- so we come back strong vs. Miami. You're doing great, just keep working." If Josh can't handle an explanation like that and loses his confidence over it then perhaps we've all misjudged him. I think it's easier to get over the idea that you're being held back than going out there and failing before you're ready. If Allen passes protocol, he will start on Sunday. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Once ? So for you, Allen must never get tackled in the open field after a run again ? He has done the slide this season already, so it’s not like he never does it. Injury was unfortunate, but he’ll likely limit the hits over time. Of course , Newton still takes hits and what year is he in now? Anyway, the Bills don’t have to make a decision on Allen until after his 3rd season. Lots of time yet for the big picture to play out. He's being given the benefit of the doubt at the moment with INTS and FUMBLES, SACKS, DEEP BALL etc which is right.. I think he should be given a certain freedom to develop with this stuff. INTS don't bother me so much. Where I do think he needs to CHANGE is running head first for a first down. TOO MUCH of a risk. Also, you talk of cam Newton. Look how f***** he is now. Edited October 3, 2019 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, london_bills said: He's being given the benefit of the doubt at the moment with INTS and FUMBLES, SACKS, DEEP BALL etc which is right.. I think he should be given a certain freedom to develop with this stuff. INTS don't bother me so much. Where I do think he needs to CHANGE is running head first for a first down. TOO MUCH of a risk. Depends on the position of the defenders around him, but sure I can see that. You can be vulnerable to a cheap shot even when sliding; like Flacco was. It’s a fine line and Allen was pretty upright when he was being wrapped up initially. Seemed like he braced himself when he saw the headhunter coming at him and lowered his head instinctively . I’d guess that play will be fresh in his memory for awhile. Edited October 3, 2019 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Depends on the position of the defenders around him, but sure I can see that. You can be vulnerable to a cheap shot even when sliding; like Flacco was. It’s a fine line and Allen was pretty upright when he was being wrapped up initially. Seemed like he braced himself when he saw the headhunter coming at him and lowered his head instinctively . I’d guess that play will be fresh in his memory for awhile. Lots of defenders will want to injure Allen in the heat of battle, let's not be naive about it. Already seen the jets guys cheap shot, burfickt, the patriots guy. Subjective to how dirty these hits are. When I think of Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Manning when he played, Brees, Mahomes. They all slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, london_bills said: Lots of defenders will want to injure Allen in the heat of battle, let's not be naive about it. Already seen the jets guys cheap shot, burfickt, the patriots guy. Subjective to how dirty these hits are. When I think of Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Manning when he played, Brees, Mahomes. They all slide. You don't even need to slide.. just get down like WR's do. Dive at the feet of the defender about to hit you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Barkley is satanding? That doesn't sound like what we need right now, devil-worshiping... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, VW82 said: It all depends how the message is delivered. McD is eminently capable of putting a positive spin on it; something along the lines of, "Great job on getting through the protocol so quickly. You're one tough MFer! Brian and I talked it over with Terry and Kim and we've decided to play it safe on this one and go with Matt this week. That was one hell of shot you took. You're the future of this team and we want to be 100% sure we're not jeopardizing that. Plus, if we're being honest that was a rough performance Sunday. There are some things we want you to work on with Brian over the bye -- footwork, reads -- so we come back strong vs. Miami. You're doing great, just keep working." If Josh can't handle an explanation like that and loses his confidence over it then perhaps we've all misjudged him. I think it's easier to get over the idea that you're being held back than going out there and failing before you're ready. So the Bills should make Allen sit because of a bad game? Terrible idea. Allen has to know the ups and downs of the position. I think it was a great lesson for him to learn that his mistakes cost the Bills points in close game that they lost. It was a winnable game. Until the Pats game Allen was able to overcome his mistakes and pull out a win. Being on the losing side maybe he sees the consiquences on his actions. He also has to learn to put it behind him and move on to the next game. Would you still be saying the same thing if Allen wasnt knocked out of the game and was able to pull out a win? No because all his mistakes wouldnt be so glaring if he pulled out a win against the Pats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VW82 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: So the Bills should make Allen sit because of a bad game? Terrible idea. Allen has to know the ups and downs of the position. I think it was a great lesson for him to learn that his mistakes cost the Bills points in close game that they lost. It was a winnable game. Until the Pats game Allen was able to overcome his mistakes and pull out a win. Being on the losing side maybe he sees the consiquences on his actions. He also has to learn to put it behind him and move on to the next game. Would you still be saying the same thing if Allen wasnt knocked out of the game and was able to pull out a win? No because all his mistakes wouldnt be so glaring if he pulled out a win against the Pats. I suspect there are a lot of times in the NFL where the best thing to do is sit a guy out for a week, especially a young player, and have him work on his weaknesses and watch someone else do it to provide a different perspective. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen because of the politics of the game. I think this concussion provides a unique opportunity to do that with Allen. Also, just because he gets cleared doesn't mean he wouldn't be less susceptible to getting another concussion if he sat out until Miami. Like most injuries, you have a better chance of avoiding a repeat occurrence the longer you wait to test it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Yeah, he’s playing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, VW82 said: I suspect there are a lot of times in the NFL where the best thing to do is sit a guy out for a week, especially a young player, and have him work on his weaknesses and watch someone else do it to provide a different perspective. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen because of the politics of the game. I think this concussion provides a unique opportunity to do that with Allen. Also, just because he gets cleared doesn't mean he wouldn't be less susceptible to getting another concussion if he sat out until Miami. Like most injuries, you have a better chance of avoiding a repeat occurrence the longer you wait to test it again. Learn by doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 My guess is, he was never "really" concussed, they just put him through the protocol for optics. I totally disagree with posters saying he should sit out this week to teach him some kind of lesson. It's not just all about Josh Allen, there's 52 other dudes plus coaching staff plus the rest of the organization who want the best chance to win on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, wiskibreth said: My guess is, he was never "really" concussed, they just put him through the protocol for optics. I totally disagree with posters saying he should sit out this week to teach him some kind of lesson. It's not just all about Josh Allen, there's 52 other dudes plus coaching staff plus the rest of the organization who want the best chance to win on Sunday. No matter how good the Bills D is, it is not going to carry them. They need Allen to become the player they need him to be so they can be successful. He had a bad game against NE, it happens. He isn't going to learn from it sitting on the bench. If he is healthy he needs to be out there. Period. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, wiskibreth said: My guess is, he was never "really" concussed, they just put him through the protocol for optics. I totally disagree with posters saying he should sit out this week to teach him some kind of lesson. It's not just all about Josh Allen, there's 52 other dudes plus coaching staff plus the rest of the organization who want the best chance to win on Sunday. You're probably not far off. I think he likely showed some very minor signs and therefore it was the prudent thing to do given the safety environment in the NFL these days. You'd dead on with the rest of the post. Allen is the present and future of the team. One bad outing against a Belichick defense doesn't mean you bench him to prove a point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: No matter how good the Bills D is, it is not going to carry them. They need Allen to become the player they need him to be so they can be successful. He had a bad game against NE, it happens. He isn't going to learn from it sitting on the bench. If he is healthy he needs to be out there. Period. So you agree then... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, wiskibreth said: My guess is, he was never "really" concussed, they just put him through the protocol for optics. I totally disagree with posters saying he should sit out this week to teach him some kind of lesson. It's not just all about Josh Allen, there's 52 other dudes plus coaching staff plus the rest of the organization who want the best chance to win on Sunday. I am curious about this as well. It happened at a pretty critical point in the game, 4th quarter, the hit looked violent..but the way he ran off the field he looked as if he was coming back in. I am sure it was really so precautionary that possibly the only option is to put him in protocol..it's not something the medical staff possibly could rush him back on the field at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, wiskibreth said: So you agree then... ? Um, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: I am curious about this as well. It happened at a pretty critical point in the game, 4th quarter, the hit looked violent..but the way he ran off the field he looked as if he was coming back in. I am sure it was really so precautionary that possibly the only option is to put him in protocol..it's not something the medical staff possibly could rush him back on the field at that point. Pretty sure concussion protocol is out of the hands of the team. He took a head shot, exhibited some kind of symptom or symptoms, and went right into concussion protocol. "In addition to the team medical staff and an unaffiliated neurological consultant, the league employs two medical spotters in the booth who watch the game with binoculars and video replay to identify injuries that others missed. The league added a rule in 2015 allowing for the medical spotters to stop the game with a medical timeout to remove an injured player. "Observable symptoms" There are seven observable symptoms used to identify players with concussions. Those are: Any loss of consciousness Slow to get up following a hit to the head ("hit to the head" may include secondary contact with the playing surface) Motor coordination/balance problems (stumbles, trips/falls, slow/labored movement) Blank or vacant look Disorientation (e.g., unsure of where he is on the field or location of bench) Clutching of head after contact Visible facial injury in combination with any of the above When spotters or other medical personnel see those signs, that’s when the protocol goes into effect."https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/9/18/12940926/nfl-concussion-protocol-explained 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) I don’t think there is any room for discretion or “ optics” with the concussion protocol, and the team doctor is not the one calling the shots. Its an independent Neurologist. If you show symptoms ( ie fail the test) you are in the protocol. Each injury is unique and there are varying degrees but once you fail the test the only differentiating factor between injuries is the length of time it takes for the player to clear the protocol. Allen showed symptoms, however slight and he failed. He appears to be recovering quickly. If this was the 1990s, judging from his actions afterward , he gets an ammonia cap on the sidelines and returns to the game. For obvious reasons those days are over. Edit : Allen hasn’t yet cleared the protocol. I’d venture if he clears it and practices tomorrow he plays. otherwise it’s Barkley. Edited October 3, 2019 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I don’t think there is any room for discretion or “ optics” with the concussion protocol, and the team doctor is not the one calling the shots. Its an independent Neurologist. If you show symptoms ( ie fail the test) you are in the protocol. Each injury is unique and there are varying degrees but once you fail the test the only differentiating factor between injuries is the length of time it takes for the player to clear the protocol. Allen showed symptoms, however slight and he failed. He appears to be recovering quickly. If this was the 1990s, judging from his actions afterward , he gets an ammonia cap on the sidelines and returns to the game. For obvious reasons those days are over. Edit : Allen hasn’t yet cleared the protocol. I’d venture if he clears it and practices tomorrow he plays. otherwise it’s Barkley. Yep. Plus McDermott has said more than once that if you are in the lineup you are expected to play. I don't think there is much if any chance that he is cleared and he does not start and play the entire game unless hurt in some way. If the neurologist clears him he is going to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So from McDermott's patience in making the call on Webb it seems he is confident Allen will be ready to go, imo. Maybe it wasn't as bad as it looked on the field when it originally happened? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Well, that's that. No way Allen starts Sunday, although he might serve as the backup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 We shouldn't rule out the possibility, if Allen is cleared, that Barkley would start and Allen would only be the emergency QB. That way, they don't have to call Webb up from the practice squad and, thus, lose a roster spot elsewhere. Of course, this would only make sense if Barkley has gotten the lion's share of practice reps with the 1's this week. If Allen has gotten just as many snaps as Barkley (or more), no sense in not starting him if he clears protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 SOOOOO, is there any chance that given how allen played early, they figured he mighta been able to come back in the game but thought maybe sit him even tho he'd play in say a playoff game or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: Well, that's that. No way Allen starts Sunday, although he might serve as the backup... Not sure why you would say that definitively. We do not know if he took the final tests yet, plus the real worry is that he regressed from yesterday, and that does not at all appear to be the case as he is practicing. Plus he took all the first team reps in the first walk through this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Logic said: We shouldn't rule out the possibility, if Allen is cleared, that Barkley would start and Allen would only be the emergency QB. If Allen was in protocol for both the Wednesday and Thursday practices, I can't see how he's be given comparable snaps to Barkley. If he gets cleared later today or Friday, I could see him serving as Barkley's backup, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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