Logic Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, K-9 said: I’m guessing The Duke because they are not happy with Zay. I'm guessing we'll all be disappointed, and it'll be Webb being brought up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I want it to be Duke getting the call, but maybe they leave the spot open until Saturday at 4pm to continue the mind games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Kind of sucks for Conor McDermott to be released days before he gets to return to his hometown for a game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 In all honesty with Nsheke not practicing this week and probably not playing, I think it’s to activate Bates. They wouldn’t cut an OT with the Nshekes status being uncertain and not cover that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Wayne Cubed said: In all honesty with Nsheke not practicing this week and probably not playing, I think it’s to activate Bates. They wouldn’t cut an OT with the Nshekes status being uncertain and not cover that. Bates is on the 53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Bates is on the 53 ahhh, see that now. Thought he wasn’t for some reason. Well it’ll be Duke or Webb then, depending on Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, jkeerie said: In truth you have an equal crusade for Josh to play. Let's face it. We ALL (with the exception of the Josh haters) want Josh to be cleared and ready to play, and to start on Sunday. As fans, wishing doesn't make it so. None of us, has a clue right now what will happen. We're all trying to read the same tea leaves...and there is very limited information right now. It's not a matter of anybody being right. It's a matter of what is best for Josh and ultimately the team and that is in the hands of the neurologist and the coaches. Uh No thats not correct. I'm on record as saying I thought we'd be without him earlier this week. After seeing him on the field and hearing reports, it appears that he has good chance to play. If you choose to ignore that and join the crusade against it be my guest. But, thanks for sticking your nose into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, nucci said: The Titans look at film of the Bills offense...how they line up...what plays they run from what formations....do you really think this gives the Bills a huge advantage? You either run the ball or throw....how difficult is this? Umm, that's pretty naive... 1 hour ago, K-9 said: I’m guessing The Duke because they are not happy with Zay. Have they stated this or is this more fan speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Uh No thats not correct. I'm on record as saying I thought we'd be without him earlier this week. After seeing him on the field and hearing reports, it appears that he has good chance to play. If you choose to ignore that and join the crusade against it be my guest. But, thanks for sticking your nose into it. Okay. I apologize if I missed an earlier post. This thread is 49 pages long. I expect I've missed a few. But will you please get off of this "crusade" thing. No one is crusading. We all want Josh to start and hope that he does. We are not part of the decision though so it doesn't matter what we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) In one of the clips of Josh today, he is rolling out slowly, they roll a giant blue plastic ball at him, he has to hop up over and out of the way of the ball, (a very simple move) then throw. Don’t think they would be doing that if they had any worry whatsoever about his head. Edited October 3, 2019 by Kelly the Dog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: But you are talking about BB tho, one of the greatest defensive minds and literally the best in game adjuster to coach the game.. You can’t assume other coaches would be the same. Vrabel played under him 14 minutes ago, MJS said: Umm, that's pretty naive... Ummm, how is that naive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, nucci said: Ummm, how is that naive? You think that there is no difference between the starting QB and backup QB playing, that teams will prepare for our offense the same regardless. You think there is no advantage to keeping things under wraps when there clearly is. It's naive to believe those things and it shows you don't know how teams prepare and the impact that individual players, especially QB's, have on game plans and preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, MJS said: Umm, that's pretty naive... Have they stated this or is this more fan speculation? Total speculation on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: In one of the clips of Josh today, he is rolling out slowly, they roll a giant blue plastic ball at him, he has to hop up over and out of the way of the ball, (a very simple move) then throw. Don’t think they would be doing that if they had any worry whatsoever about his head. Is the ball going to hit him in the head? Running around against air--and a ball--is like OTA-level practice, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: Is the ball going to hit him in the head? Running around against air--and a ball--is like OTA-level practice, IMO... He could easily slip and fall or trip over it if his head is not right. How incredibly stupid would it have been knowing there are reporters there to have that happen. All it said to me was they do this all the time and that he is 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: In one of the clips of Josh today, he is rolling out slowly, they roll a giant blue plastic ball at him, he has to hop up over and out of the way of the ball, (a very simple move) then throw. Don’t think they would be doing that if they had any worry whatsoever about his head. Yep- I’m calling that a contact drill. Stage 5 ready to go!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MJS said: Umm, that's pretty naive... Have they stated this or is this more fan speculation? McD did vocalize his frustration multiple times in press conferences this week about receivers not trying to help the QB out and break up the INTs. So safe to say they are at least a little frustrated considering it was Zay he is talking about. But any more than that is fan speculation for the most part. Although lots of buzz on twitter that Duke is going to be activated soon, even video of him working with Allen and on ST. Doesn’t mean Zay is going anywhere, but certainly seems possible Duke could be activated soon and may come down to if Josh is officially cleared or not as they would need to activate Webb if not. Also multiple sources on twitter claim Zay is on trade block. Just rumors, but some buzz on it Edited October 3, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Bad thing is... if Zay ever becomes a healthy scratch come game day, his trade value plummets. Id hate to get nothing in return for a second round pick we traded up for. Plain and simple, Zay needs to step up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: McD did vocalize his frustration multiple times in press conferences this week about receivers not trying to help the QB out and break up the INTs. So safe to say they are at least a little frustrated considering it was Zay he is talking about. But any more than that is fan speculation for the most part. Although lots of buzz on twitter that Duke is going to be activated soon, even video of him working with Allen and on ST. Doesn’t mean Zay is going anywhere, but certainly seems possible Duke could be activated soon and may come down to if Josh is officially cleared or not as they would need to activate Webb if not. Also multiple sources on twitter claim Zay is on trade block. Just rumors, but some buzz on it Also, in the same video that people are calling out in which Allen is throwing to Duke, he is also throwing to Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Also, in the same video that people are calling out in which Allen is throwing to Duke, he is also throwing to Zay. Hence why I said it does not mean Zay is going anywhere, they already have a roster spot open to activate Duke if they want. I would be willing to bet they will hold that spot open until Allen is cleared or not so they know if they need it or not for Webb. Allen plays, I think good shot Duke is activated. If not, no chance and it will be Webb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Ok, maybe it's been adressed but what restrictions in stage 4 prevent full practice for a QB? Everything I read said no contact and there is no need for contact on the QB in any practice setting, ever. This would not be true for any positions other than kickers. So, what's to prevent Josh from doing 7 on 7 or team? There is no contact allowed on the QB then anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: He could easily slip and fall or trip over it if his head is not right. How incredibly stupid would it have been knowing there are reporters there to have that happen. All it said to me was they do this all the time and that he is 100%. To be honest, I think you're right: It would absolutely foolish to have a quarterback who is still feeling the effects of a concussion try to jump over giant exercise balls. As you say, he could easily land awkwardly or slip on the ball and hit his head on the turf. I hadn't given it much thought, but this drill would be a terrible idea for a player with head injury concerns. Hmm... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, Logic said: To be honest, I think you're right: It would absolutely foolish to have a quarterback who is still feeling the effects of a concussion try to jump over giant exercise balls. As you say, he could easily land awkwardly or slip on the ball and hit his head on the turf. I hadn't given it much thought, but this drill would be a terrible idea for a player with head injury concerns. Hmm... Yeah. He’s definitely playing, Imo. They wouldn’t have him sprinting and jumping with a brain injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Ok, maybe it's been adressed but what restrictions in stage 4 prevent full practice for a QB? Everything I read said no contact and there is no need for contact on the QB in any practice setting, ever. This would not be true for any positions other than kickers. So, what's to prevent Josh from doing 7 on 7 or team? There is no contact allowed on the QB then anyways. No practice restrictions. He just needs cleared by the team and independent neurologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chill said: Yeah. He’s definitely playing, Imo. They wouldn’t have him sprinting and jumping with a brain injury. I think all the signs are there that they believe he will play. Like many have said, if the after affects were affecting still they would be a lot more cautious I think right now. Feels like they at the very least think he is probably going to be cleared to play. If they had doubt due to lingering affects, I am pretty sure Allen wouldn't be getting as much field time right now. That being said, its not really up to the coaches, Allen has to be cleared. So even if they are confident he will play, still doesn't mean he will be cleared. And to be fair, all the signs were pointing to Singletary playing against NE and he still didn't quite get there. If I had to guess at some odds right now, I would guess there is a 70% chance Josh is going to play personally. Probable but not a lock. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 It feels like with the McDermott cut that the Bills are doing everything they can to make it seem Allen might not play. Cloak and Dagger?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Logic said: To be honest, I think you're right: It would absolutely foolish to have a quarterback who is still feeling the effects of a concussion try to jump over giant exercise balls. As you say, he could easily land awkwardly or slip on the ball and hit his head on the turf. I hadn't given it much thought, but this drill would be a terrible idea for a player with head injury concerns. Hmm... Not that they COULDNT be so stupid. Edited October 4, 2019 by Kelly the Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No practice restrictions. He just needs cleared by the team and independent neurologist. One Bills Live ran a poll about fan preferences for Sunday. A fully prepared Barkley, a less prepared Allen or it doesn't matter because the defense will win it. From what I read about stage 4, the only restriction for practice is no contact. So if Josh is cleared to play, why should he be less prepared? There shouldn't be contact on the QB for any part of practice, stage 4 or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: if Josh is cleared to play, why should he be less prepared? At a minimum the team would need to hedge and get Barkley prepared in case Josh cannot go. There is limited practice time, so it means Josh may be less prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, Rock'em Sock'em said: At a minimum the team would need to hedge and get Barkley prepared in case Josh cannot go. There is limited practice time, so it means Josh may be less prepared. Less than Matt or might they do 50/50 and run some extra plays during team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 42 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Ok, maybe it's been adressed but what restrictions in stage 4 prevent full practice for a QB? Everything I read said no contact and there is no need for contact on the QB in any practice setting, ever. This would not be true for any positions other than kickers. So, what's to prevent Josh from doing 7 on 7 or team? There is no contact allowed on the QB then anyways. I think you are right , there is really no diff between stage 4 or 5 for a QB , except that stage 5 would imply a second day of full practice , followed by a computer test called the IMPACT test the next day to be sure josh has reached his baseline scores ( prior to the injury) and that his scores remain stable. If his score regressed tomorrow it would probably mean another day in stage 4 of the protocol which really only means he would be retested on computer again on Saturday. I believe if his score is stable tomorrow ( test done after sleeping after having finished a full practice ; the normal sleep part is important as many times patients with lingering symptoms or post concussion syndrome will have difficulty sleeping after exertion ) theoretically he would no longer need to be tested past Friday. The IMPACT test is the only FDA approved protocol for management of concussion and used by the NFL, olympics , FIFA, most high school athletic associations across the country and many colleges as well. Here is a link to the impact test site with a short video explaining its use. https://impactconcussion.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=impactproduct&ads_cmpid=6549852907&ads_adid=76904728725&ads_matchtype=b&ads_network=g&ads_creative=385367805553&utm_term=impact concussion&ads_targetid=kwd-314225683657&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuNbsBRC-ARIsAAzITufx6xQwglg6Gk2R2C4wShszuAnxePkx9hEGac068cFN6ezuZRApp5gaAuudEALw_wcB ( hope that works ) . Here is a link for the SCAT5 ( sport concussion assessment tool version 5 ) that has a really nice handout used by clinicians and the last two pages really define the protocol stages for progressive return to exercise , school and studying that is a nice resource and defines what a concussion is and what cardinal signs to look for. This is used for quick ( ten min test Immediately after a witnessed possible concussion or brain injury) on the field ; sideline assessment for initial screening, then formal IMPACT testing occurs later or 24 hours after injury and compared to baseline. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2017/04/26/bjsports-2017-097506SCAT5.full.pdf The following is the actual consensus statement on concussion in sport that was published from the conference in Berlin in 2016 and shows the multitude of experts brought together to develop the protocol or concussion policy that is in use today by the NFL. Don’t be put off by now formal it looks. It is nicely summed up in italics as you scroll thru the short paper. Pretty ingesting to see the actual report that was the basis for everything. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/11/838.full.pdf. Hope that is helpful. I think you are spot on tho that for a qb there is no function diff between stage 4 or 5 , except for just an additional 24 hours to show stability and no regression post exertion. ? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Less than Matt or might they do 50/50 and run some extra plays during team? Less than usual. 50/50 sounds as likely of a split this week as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 If the limitation is no contact and contact is never part of a QB's practice anyways, then what is the restriction? I suspect he's a full participant with a meaningless restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I’d be shocked if he doesn’t play with what seems to be participating in the standard routine for the QBs. If he was still in rough shape, they wouldn’t have him out there with blasting music and in the rain on a slippery field running, cutting, and jumping over medicine balls. Sure, it could all be gamesmanship, but I doubt it. If McD was as clever as he thinks he is, he would’ve picked up on the team’s tendency to not pull in their gunners on a punt block call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DrPJax said: I think you are right , there is really no diff between stage 4 or 5 for a QB , except that stage 5 would imply a second day of full practice , followed by a computer test called the IMPACT test the next day to be sure josh has reached his baseline scores ( prior to the injury) and that his scores remain stable. If his score regressed tomorrow it would probably mean another day in stage 4 of the protocol which really only means he would be retested on computer again on Saturday. I believe if his score is stable tomorrow ( test done after sleeping after having finished a full practice ; the normal sleep part is important as many times patients with lingering symptoms or post concussion syndrome will have difficulty sleeping after exertion ) theoretically he would no longer need to be tested past Friday. The IMPACT test is the only FDA approved protocol for management of concussion and used by the NFL, olympics , FIFA, most high school athletic associations across the country and many colleges as well. Here is a link to the impact test site with a short video explaining its use. https://impactconcussion.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=impactproduct&ads_cmpid=6549852907&ads_adid=76904728725&ads_matchtype=b&ads_network=g&ads_creative=385367805553&utm_term=impact concussion&ads_targetid=kwd-314225683657&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuNbsBRC-ARIsAAzITufx6xQwglg6Gk2R2C4wShszuAnxePkx9hEGac068cFN6ezuZRApp5gaAuudEALw_wcB ( hope that works ) . Here is a link for the SCAT5 ( sport concussion assessment tool version 5 ) that has a really nice handout used by clinicians and the last two pages really define the protocol stages for progressive return to exercise , school and studying that is a nice resource and defines what a concussion is and what cardinal signs to look for. This is used for quick ( ten min test Immediately after a witnessed possible concussion or brain injury) on the field ; sideline assessment for initial screening, then formal IMPACT testing occurs later or 24 hours after injury and compared to baseline. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2017/04/26/bjsports-2017-097506SCAT5.full.pdf The following is the actual consensus statement on concussion in sport that was published from the conference in Berlin in 2016 and shows the multitude of experts brought together to develop the protocol or concussion policy that is in use today by the NFL. Don’t be put off by now formal it looks. It is nicely summed up in italics as you scroll thru the short paper. Pretty ingesting to see the actual report that was the basis for everything. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/11/838.full.pdf. Hope that is helpful. I think you are spot on tho that for a qb there is no function diff between stage 4 or 5 , except for just an additional 24 hours to show stability and no regression post exertion. ? Wow that is some heavy expertise. Now my brain hurts. Edited October 4, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Wow that is some heavy expertise. Now my brain hurts. Ok now we are going to have to consider entering you in the TBD concussion protocol ,,,,,let’s see what posters think that protocol should be ! I am thinking one or two dirty martinis prior to reading any further posts about Josh and this dam concussion protocol ! ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Ok now we are going to have to consider entering you in the TBD concussion protocol ,,,,,let’s see what posters think that protocol should be ! I am thinking one or two dirty martinis prior to reading any further posts about Josh and this dam concussion protocol ! ? I had to do a search on a "dirty martini" and have to admit that it is not what I was hoping it might be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 10 hours ago, nucci said: Vrabel played under him And so did a lot of coaches who are currently not coaching in the NFL. Vrabel isn't Belichick, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 8 hours ago, DrPJax said: I think you are right , there is really no diff between stage 4 or 5 for a QB , except that stage 5 would imply a second day of full practice , followed by a computer test called the IMPACT test the next day to be sure josh has reached his baseline scores ( prior to the injury) and that his scores remain stable. If his score regressed tomorrow it would probably mean another day in stage 4 of the protocol which really only means he would be retested on computer again on Saturday. I believe if his score is stable tomorrow ( test done after sleeping after having finished a full practice ; the normal sleep part is important as many times patients with lingering symptoms or post concussion syndrome will have difficulty sleeping after exertion ) theoretically he would no longer need to be tested past Friday. The IMPACT test is the only FDA approved protocol for management of concussion and used by the NFL, olympics , FIFA, most high school athletic associations across the country and many colleges as well. Here is a link to the impact test site with a short video explaining its use. https://impactconcussion.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=impactproduct&ads_cmpid=6549852907&ads_adid=76904728725&ads_matchtype=b&ads_network=g&ads_creative=385367805553&utm_term=impact concussion&ads_targetid=kwd-314225683657&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuNbsBRC-ARIsAAzITufx6xQwglg6Gk2R2C4wShszuAnxePkx9hEGac068cFN6ezuZRApp5gaAuudEALw_wcB ( hope that works ) . Here is a link for the SCAT5 ( sport concussion assessment tool version 5 ) that has a really nice handout used by clinicians and the last two pages really define the protocol stages for progressive return to exercise , school and studying that is a nice resource and defines what a concussion is and what cardinal signs to look for. This is used for quick ( ten min test Immediately after a witnessed possible concussion or brain injury) on the field ; sideline assessment for initial screening, then formal IMPACT testing occurs later or 24 hours after injury and compared to baseline. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2017/04/26/bjsports-2017-097506SCAT5.full.pdf The following is the actual consensus statement on concussion in sport that was published from the conference in Berlin in 2016 and shows the multitude of experts brought together to develop the protocol or concussion policy that is in use today by the NFL. Don’t be put off by now formal it looks. It is nicely summed up in italics as you scroll thru the short paper. Pretty ingesting to see the actual report that was the basis for everything. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/11/838.full.pdf. Hope that is helpful. I think you are spot on tho that for a qb there is no function diff between stage 4 or 5 , except for just an additional 24 hours to show stability and no regression post exertion. ? Just read this, I feel like I should get 3 credits for it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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