gonzo1105 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 The only reason why I would switch it is because the “12th man” is a patented Texas A&M saying and we have to negotiate the rights to it and how it’s used. This Is why you never see Bills 12th man gear ever being created or them using it on social media etc because they aren’t allowed to. They also will not be allowed to put the 12th man on the walls of any new stadium unless it’s renegotiated. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodbullhunting.com/platform/amp/telcoag/2014/7/30/5953545/12th-man-trademark-agreement-texas-am-aggies-buffalo-bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I like the Bills Mafia and it is progressive, but for the sake of preserving tradition, the 12th Man must remain. It represents a historical voice to the countless and faceless fans who have been there from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) I voted to change it to Bills Mafia. But I live in NYS and vote Republican... so throwing away a vote is nothing new to me. ? No such change is possible. Andy and Fredo would nix it. Edited September 18, 2019 by judman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Just don't call us Fredo. The last time I called a guy Fredo he took a swing at me. True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Why not both?! Like, the mullet of fandom. Business inside the stadium, party in the back... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rob's House said: The last time I called a guy Fredo he took a swing at me. True story. But you were using it as a term of endearment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: But you were using it as a term of endearment? I may have called him little Fredo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Yes since Seattle or Texas am or whoever has a trademark on the 12th man. The Bills Mafia is truly our own and unique to us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: or even better, “12th Non-Binary Individual” 12th Whatever You Identify As 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: It's 2019. Should be "12th Person" thats non binary individual !! 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s actually an interesting thought and I voted yes. 12th man isn’t us!! Texas A&M owns it (I think) and the Seahawks are the NFL team that everyone identifies with it. It’s like the Bills trying to pretend that, “Trust the Process” is a Bills thing. It isn’t. The whole Bills Mafia thing is us and only us. It’s an all-encompassing term to encapsulate the way that we rally together, good and bad. I ALWAYS prefer things that are ours not things that we took from someone else. Right on Kirb, i agree totally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 No. Dumb name Dumb idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 During the Super Bowl years, the 12th Man was a real thing, just like Bills Mafia is now. No, we didn't come up with it first, but it meant something and the fans and team embraced it and made it our own. So, I would hate to see that go. Having said that, I do like the whole Bills Mafia thing now, though my grandfather is probably rolling over in his grave hearing me say that. He hated that the only time Italians were portrayed on TV and in the movies in his day were as mafia members (criminals), which gave a bad name to all of the good, hard working Italian people in our country. But I just take it in the aspect of being a family, protecting your own, defending your turf, etc. And I like that it gives us something to rally around and that it gives the national media and fans of other teams something to latch onto as far as knowing and respecting how die-hard we are as fans (despite the drunken debauchery that it also represents to some). But, I still wouldn't put it on the Wall. I don't want to change the 12th man and it's not really PC. Not that I care about being PC (that whole thing has become so overblown), I just think in this day and age the team kind of has to be PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: The national media citing the Bills Mafia label is more embarrassing than losing 4 straight SB's, O.J. and 17 seasons of missing the playoffs combined. It wreaks of a fan base desperate and insecure by those who seek to be identified as such imo. Lighten up, Francis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Lighten up, Francis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, El Guapo said: Well played 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) Bills Mafia is F'ing LAME. Been watching the team since 83 and don't need it. It's was a damn hashtag many years ago from a dude (and friends) that I grew up with for 15years, 4 houses away on my street that I know well. Edited September 18, 2019 by Real McCoy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, El Guapo said: Ok, you’ve been triggered. Got it. I'm triggered by you assuming that I'm triggered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The whole “12th man” thing isn’t Bills. I just hate things that we stole (hence my issues with “process”). The “Bills Mafia” thing at least belongs to us. It is unique to us. If we want to recognize the fan base I’d rather recognize Bills fans than “generic football fan base.” That’s what 12th man is. It is every team’s fans. I like the idea of us vs. everyone else. Whether you like Bills Mafia or not it isn’t something that we are sharing. I agree with you on the 12th man but my solution is to get rid of both. 12th man isn't original to Buffalo and Bills Mafia while belonging to us does not represent the vast majority of us. I really don't want to be lumped in with drunk fans jumping on top of burning tables. You can argue that extreme example does not represent all of Bills Mafia but it is what the nation thinks. No thanks. Get rid of both. I've been a been since 1979 and I don't need recognition on the wall. Just put the players on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) No, I was a 12th man. Not so much Bills Mafia. What exactly is the Bills Mafia's claim to fame other than being drunk, smashing tables and a train horn? Edited September 18, 2019 by bmur66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 No way, I can't wait for this mafia crap to go away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s actually an interesting thought and I voted yes. 12th man isn’t us!! Texas A&M owns it (I think) and the Seahawks are the NFL team that everyone identifies with it. It’s like the Bills trying to pretend that, “Trust the Process” is a Bills thing. It isn’t. The whole Bills Mafia thing is us and only us. It’s an all-encompassing term to encapsulate the way that we rally together, good and bad. I ALWAYS prefer things that are ours not things that we took from someone else. this times 1000 7 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Bills Mafia is F'ing LAME. Been watching the team since 83 and don't need it. It's was a damn hashtag many years ago from a dude (and friends) that I grew up with for 15years, 4 houses away on my street that I know well. I,ve been watching the team since 70 and the Rockpile, and I love it! Yes Del started it after the Stevie drop, but it is so much more now. And Del is doing awesome stuff, what a great ambassador for our fanbase and city. 1 hour ago, bmur66 said: No, I was a 12th man. Not so much Bills Mafia. What exactly is the Bills Mafia's claim to fame other than being drunk, smashing tables and a train horn? that is the least of what Bills Mafia is known for. Man, some of yall live under rocks???? Here are all the things Bills Mafia is now known for 1) Loving the team and city no matter what--loyatly 2) Being tough people...people view the city, the economy, the weather and the sports team to all suck, and yet we show up and have a great time 3) Being the most kind hearted fans in the country...hands down Dalton donations pushed us to the fore 4) Being a great, welcoming place for opposing fans to come and have a great time..and yes that is the perception out there 5) we party hard and tailgate hard..and the table thing has become a parody of itself now..funny as hell..if you cant see it as such on you. Finally, let me say this. The Bills ownership had much the same view @bmur66, and refused to ever use the name or hashtag. Attitudes have changed, they started using it the #billsmafia on official team tweets this summer...the times, they are a changing!!!! Edited September 18, 2019 by plenzmd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 10 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: What do you think? I think no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 10 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: 12th man seems generic. Also, fails to account for away games where Bills Loyalists show up in numbers. What do you think? I'd rather Bills Loyalists than Mafia. JMO 11 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I think Hell no. FIFY hmmmmmmmmm How long has the term Mafia been used? Any relation to the drought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 No. The 12th man is representative of how the fans attending the game could affect the outcome and essentially be another member of the team. This was especially true during the Super Bowl runs. Bills Mafia is just a generic term for Bills fans who at anytime could be anywhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) To me Bills Mafia is a fun name that represents a younger generation that have brought fans together on social media. I like it, I think it's cool when the players mention it. Not everybody is going to like every nickname they get, but if this team keeps winning the attention the fans get is going to explode. 6 minutes ago, Metal Man said: No. The 12th man is representative of how the fans attending the game could affect the outcome and essentially be another member of the team. This was especially true during the Super Bowl runs. Bills Mafia is just a generic term for Bills fans who at anytime could be anywhere in the world. Nationally 12th man says Seahawks now. Bills Mafia represents all Bills fans to the rest of the country, like it or not. Walk up to random NFL fan in random city and say I'm an NFL fan, a member of the '12th man' and no one will know what team, or they will assume Seahawks. Edited September 18, 2019 by Aireskoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Aireskoi said: Nationally 12th man says Seahawks now. Bills Mafia represents all Bills fans to the rest of the country, like it or not. Walk up to random NFL fan in random city and say I'm a NFL fan, a member of the '12th man' and no one will know what team, or they will assume Seahawks. Right, the bolded part of your statement is exactly what I said. The OP is about should 12th man be changed to that on the wall of fame. IMHO the answer is no because 12th man is on the wall for the impact the Bills fans actually in that stadium have made during successful Bills seasons. What is on the wall has nothing to do with what the world thinks about Bills fans, it is a nod to everyone who has been at a Bills game and cheered their guts out for the team. I have no issue with the term Bills Mafia at all. The Seahawks and their theft of 12th man can go pound sand, still doesn't change what we as fans accomplished in our stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Metal Man said: Right, the bolded part of your statement is exactly what I said. The OP is about should 12th man be changed to that on the wall of fame. IMHO the answer is no because 12th man is on the wall for the impact the Bills fans actually in that stadium have made during successful Bills seasons. What is on the wall has nothing to do with what the world thinks about Bills fans, it is a nod to everyone who has been at a Bills game and cheered their guts out for the team. I have no issue with the term Bills Mafia at all. The Seahawks and their theft of 12th man can go pound sand, still doesn't change what we as fans accomplished in our stadium. That's where I'm at, 12th man is historic and should stay, and I'm more wait and see as far as adding Bills Mafia permanently to the stadium. I think winning has to come or the Bills Mafia name will fade, but if we get some playoff wins and a Superbowl or two the name will be cemented for this generation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Not yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Bills "mafia" is for dolts who have never opened a history book and likely had significant difficulty finishing high school. You are more likely to see Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson leading the charge holding hands on Sunday than the 12th Man being replaced on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 You want to know how I feel about bills mafia? The Bills could offer me free unlimited merchandise with this idiotic moniker on shirts, hats and any other merchandise, and I would turn it all down. ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Bob in STL said: No. The 12th man is special. We were called that by the greatest teams we ever had. Coming to Rich Stadium to play the Bills and the 12th man was once a daunting task. Even with the decrease in capacity and the relative suckitude of our team over the past 25 years, I’d say Buffalo is still in the top 10 most intimidating places to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 No, but the icon of Poncho Billa could be put next to it. He represents us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I voted Yes to change, but thinking of what others posted about it being trademarked by A&M, if we get a new stadium we wont be able to put that up, so when we get the new stadium they could put up Bills Mafia at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 A sign in the Bill's Store would be ok or concourse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Nah...in 10 years, the same group will have co-opted yet another lame name. 12th man is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 12 hours ago, thronethinker said: 12th Man really was a factor when Rich Stadium sat 83,000 people in the early 90's and you could completely get in the heads of visiting teams. Crowd noise was much louder then. Bills Mafia is more fitting today. I don't know about that. I went to lots of games in those days, including playoffs. But still, by far the loudest I every heard the stadium was at the Dallas Monday Night game in 2007. My Dad's hearing was literally never the same after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 The 12th man isn’t us. I think it’s pretty stupid that that’s the name on the wall to be honest. It belongs to other teams That being said, I’m feel most of the old timers would hate Bills Mafia, so I didn’t vote for that either. Maybe wait another 40 years and then change it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: this times 1000 I,ve been watching the team since 70 and the Rockpile, and I love it! Yes Del started it after the Stevie drop, but it is so much more now. And Del is doing awesome stuff, what a great ambassador for our fanbase and city. that is the least of what Bills Mafia is known for. Man, some of yall live under rocks???? Here are all the things Bills Mafia is now known for 1) Loving the team and city no matter what--loyatly 2) Being tough people...people view the city, the economy, the weather and the sports team to all suck, and yet we show up and have a great time 3) Being the most kind hearted fans in the country...hands down Dalton donations pushed us to the fore 4) Being a great, welcoming place for opposing fans to come and have a great time..and yes that is the perception out there 5) we party hard and tailgate hard..and the table thing has become a parody of itself now..funny as hell..if you cant see it as such on you. Finally, let me say this. The Bills ownership had much the same view @bmur66, and refused to ever use the name or hashtag. Attitudes have changed, they started using it the #billsmafia on official team tweets this summer...the times, they are a changing!!!! OK, OK, OK. If they get rid of the train horn I'll be with the Bills Mafia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Another Fan said: When other fans hear Bills Mafia they tend to just think of the slamming tables, humping girls in public, fans lighting themselves on fire, etc... So of course there’d probably be some who’d want it ? Don't forget finger banging in the stands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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