Zay Jones blocking ability - I’m impressed

[Real McClappy]

13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I agree with you, however I never once guaranteed it and opened that now infamous thread with "I could be wrong" and referenced it as a gut feeling.  

What really sucks for a high 2nd rd pick it's looks like we will never see that value at this point. Can't hit on em all I guess and he was pre Beane. 

 

Just hoping he surprises us all at this point but doesn't look promising. It's pretty crazy he's the all time college reception leader and it doesn't translate to the NFL level yet.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Real McCoy

[Rocky Landing]

15 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

What really sucks for a high 2nd rd pick it's looks like we will never see that value at this point. Can't hit on em all I guess and he was pre Beane. 

 

Just hoping he surprises us all at this point but doesn't look promising. It's pretty crazy he's the all time college reception leader and it doesn't translate to the NFL level yet.

Zay had two drops today that, IMO, stemmed from his limited catch radius. After returning from the offseason with 15 lbs of added muscle, I was hopeful that would improve, but it has not. If, after the thousands of balls Zay has caught, that element of his game has not improved, it's hard to imagine how it ever will. I strongly suspect Zay has reached his ceiling.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Gambit said:

Yeah, it's kinda pathetic how much he enjoys it when Zay screws up.

 

Maybe Zay can stop screwing up then.  

 

Juju, Golladay, Kupp, Godwin were drafted after him and it’s time to step up 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I noticed today that if we had a RB like Melvin Gordon he would’ve probably gone for 22 155 2 rushing Td’s and 5  60 receiving. 

Would just like to add that Gore looks very slow out there. This obviously is his last year in the NFL and he still is a powerful straight line runner but with the amount of holes we opened against the Giants someone should’ve rushed for 150. 

Edited September 15, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[Norcalbillsfan]

That block from Knox on the McKenzie TD was something I'd like to see all year

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Soooooo...whose going to be the first poster to make another excuse for Zay Jones whiffing on the TD...again?

 

Crusades against current Bills is just sad. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

@Alphadawg7 

 

You were right. I was wrong. I am sorry. That is all. 

[zevo]

Say should have forced the defender ob on the int...but he didn’t 

[Kelly the Dog]

Zay is practically worthless. He shouldn't be on the team. He's taking snaps from players that should be ahead of him. 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Zay is practically worthless. He shouldn't be on the team. He's taking snaps from players that should be ahead of him. 

He's worse than worthless.  He's a net negative. 

[Teddy KGB]

Zays a trashbag.   

 

Laughable that Beane swung on this guy with Godwin (125 yards 2 td’s at halftime), Juju, and Kupp on the board.  

 

Huuuuuuge L 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

Zays a trashbag.   

 

Laughable that Beane swung on this guy with Godwin (125 yards 2 td’s at halftime), Juju, and Kupp on the board.  

 

Huuuuuuge L 

Beane wasn't a Bills at the time of the draft.

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Beane wasn't a Bills at the time of the draft.

 

Right.    He just showed up a few days after ?

[Dopey]

If only Zay could throw it to himself when he's open for a td, he'd have 3 by now. There's a reason the Bills have only 3 td receptions so far, Josh. And 1 of them was a shuffle pass. Josh needs to do better. Unless you're wearing Josh colored sunglasses.

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Right.    He just showed up a few days after ?

Okay, I guess Beane sucks then.  Sorry but I'm pretty happy with Beane.  I'm not going to sit an bust on him for missing on Zay when every single team misses on 1st's and 2nd's .  Tell me who you want as the new GM?  You got anyone?  

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Okay, I guess Beane sucks then.  Sorry but I'm pretty happy with Beane.  I'm not going to sit an bust on him for missing on Zay when every single team misses on 1st's and 2nd's .  Tell me who you want as the new GM?  You got anyone?  

Beane wasn't here yet when Zay was drafted. That was McDermott. 

[buffalo2218]

28 minutes ago, Dopey said:

If only Zay could throw it to himself when he's open for a td, he'd have 3 by now. There's a reason the Bills have only 3 td receptions so far, Josh. And 1 of them was a shuffle pass. Josh needs to do better. Unless you're wearing Josh colored sunglasses.

Seriously? That pass that went through Zay's hands is a TD if Williams was in that spot. Throw may have been high, but catchable just the same

[Pbomb]

37 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Right.    He just showed up a few days after ?

So he was running our draft from the panthers war room?

[Brand J]

Nate Geary is having a 20 min rant (and counting) on Zay Jones ?

[Rocky Landing]

Jones will not contest the ball, including on one of Allen's interceptions. Jones, with a defender between him and Allen, ran deep with his arms low to catch it around his hip. The interception is still on Allen, but a better receiver would have cut in to at least try to get above the defender. It's as if Jones is not seeing the defenders around him. And today he was not getting separation. He's a liability, at this point.

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[atlbillsfan1975]

45 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Zays a trashbag.   

 

Laughable that Beane swung on this guy with Godwin (125 yards 2 td’s at halftime), Juju, and Kupp on the board.  

 

Huuuuuuge L 

Beane wasn’t here. McDermott and Whaley draft. This is the big negative for not having Beane In place before the draft. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Jones will not contest the ball, including on one of Allen's interceptions. Jones, with a defender between him and Allen, ran deep with his arms low to catch it around his hip. The interception is still on Allen, but a better receiver would have cut in to at least try to get above the defender. It's as if Jone is not seeing the defenders around him. And today he was not getting separation. He's a liability, at this point.

Yep. I blame that on Allen. But he's terrible tracking and fighting for the ball. He just let it happen. 

[John from Riverside]

And Nate would be correct

What do good QBs have in common......guys who will fight for the ball

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Jones will not contest the ball, including on one of Allen's interceptions. Jones, with a defender between him and Allen, ran deep with his arms low to catch it around his hip. The interception is still on Allen, but a better receiver would have cut in to at least try to get above the defender. It's as if Jones is not seeing the defenders around him. And today he was not getting separation. He's a liability, at this point.

 

 

 

I have to agree with this.

 

The INT is on Allen, but Zay Jones has to know when to be a defender.

[Dr.Sack]

I think our WRs need to do a better job at blocking when Allen scrambles. Beasley indirectly caused Allen’s concussion by not blocking his defender after Allen scrambled for the sticks. 

[BillsVet]

53 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Beane wasn't a Bills at the time of the draft.

 

Phil McGeoghan convinced the new HC at the time to take his former star WR.  McDermott as the de facto lead of this organization needs help evaluating offensive personnel and their offense is demonstrative of that fact. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Zay Jones flat out sucks.  He needs to GTFO of Buffalo

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Seriously? That pass that went through Zay's hands is a TD if Williams was in that spot. Throw may have been high, but catchable just the same

Are you referring to the high pass by Barkley? If you think Williams catches that, how do I argue? He hasn't even made it past the ps yet, but you're gonna hypothetically make it a catch for him. If you're referring to the miss by Josh on a wide open Zay, even ps Duke wouldn't make that.

 I hope Duke makes the team over Jones and lights it up, I really do. I'm a Bills fan, not a Duke hater or Zay lover. Did you read the whole post? Josh has 3 td passes and 1 was a shuffle. Josh also has thrown 6 ints. Watch film of the season so far and tell me if Josh is better, Zay doesn't have at least 3 tds, in 4 games. You can tell me Duke would have more, but again, how do I argue hypotheticals? I have my thoughts and you have yours. Mine are based on what I've seen in real games. And in real games, Josh has left at least 3 tds to Zay go to waste. I don't think you could argue that.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

Phil McGeoghan convinced the new HC at the time to take his former star WR.  McDermott as the de facto lead of this organization needs help evaluating offensive personnel and their offense is demonstrative of that fact. 

Yup. That's all on McDermott. Phil should not have been there in the first place let alone have that much sway. His first staff was weak. 

[Aussie Joe]

57 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Zays a trashbag.   

 

Laughable that Beane swung on this guy with Godwin (125 yards 2 td’s at halftime), Juju, and Kupp on the board.  

 

Huuuuuuge L 

 

Beane was swinging from Carolina..

 

Must have a big bat..

[BillsVet]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

Beane was swinging from Carolina..

 

Must have a big bat..

 

Cell phones and the internet can reach the entire world last I checked. 

[buffalo2218]

Just now, Dopey said:

Are you referring to the high pass by Barkley? If you think Williams catches that, how do I argue? He hasn't even made it past the ps yet, but you're gonna hypothetically make it a catch for him. If you're referring to the miss by Josh on a wide open Zay, even ps Duke wouldn't make that.

 I hope Duke makes the team over Jones and lights it up, I really do. I'm a Bills fan, not a Duke hater or Zay lover. Did you read the whole post? Josh has 3 td passes and 1 was a shuffle. Josh also has thrown 6 ints. Watch film of the season so far and tell me if Josh is better, Zay doesn't have at least 3 tds, in 4 games. You can tell me Duke would have more, but again, how do I argue hypotheticals? I have my thoughts and you have yours. Mine are based on what I've seen in real games. And in real games, Josh has left at least 3 tds to Zay go to waste. I don't think you could argue that.

I get the arguments about Zay not contesting catches, but he keeps putting himself on a shorter leash. I have criticized Allen for missing open receivers, but I keep that a bit contained for 2 reasons. 1. He's technically still a rookie and 2. This O line still hasn't played up to it's full potential. At this point, bringing up Williams really couldn't hurt anything. As some have pointed out, with Allen possibly being out next week, Barkley could have a monster day with Williams in the lineup given their chemistry

[Bangarang]

Zay Jones and I’m impressed don’t belong in the same sentence

[bmur66]

Does everything except catch the ball

[Dopey]

8 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I get the arguments about Zay not contesting catches, but he keeps putting himself on a shorter leash. I have criticized Allen for missing open receivers, but I keep that a bit contained for 2 reasons. 1. He's technically still a rookie and 2. This O line still hasn't played up to it's full potential. At this point, bringing up Williams really couldn't hurt anything. As some have pointed out, with Allen possibly being out next week, Barkley could have a monster day with Williams in the lineup given their chemistry

I'm not saying don't bring up Duke. Duke for Foster would be the better move. I still argue that if he had better qb play by Josh this year, Zay leads the team in tds. Not Brown, not Beasley, but Zay. I don't see how that's missed in all this. Bring up Duke, just for Foster. 

[buffalo2218]

Just now, Dopey said:

I'm not saying don't bring up Duke. Duke for Foster would be the better move. I still argue that if he had better qb play by Josh this year, Zay leads the team in tds. Not Brown, not Beasley, but Zay. I don't see how that's missed in all this. Bring up Duke, just for Foster. 

Yeah, right now, Foster is just taking up space at this point. Now he may have been injured through the first 3 games but still, he's not doing much at all so far. As I said, with Williams being a solid blocker and having good hands, it won't hurt to try

[SirAndrew]

32 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I think our WRs need to do a better job at blocking when Allen scrambles. Beasley indirectly caused Allen’s concussion by not blocking his defender after Allen scrambled for the sticks. 

I hear you, but I don’t think many people expect much blocking from Beasley. He’s not really a tough slot receiver in the mold of a guy like Edelman. Allen needs to slide rather than attempting to run over three defenders. There’s so much I like about Allen, but he plays quite ignorant football at times. 

Edited September 29, 2019 by SirAndrew

[Dr.Sack]

20 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I hear you, but I don’t think many people expect much blocking from Beasley. He’s not really a tough slot receiver in the mold of a guy like Edelman. Allen needs to slide rather than attempting to run over three defenders. There’s so much I like about Allen, but he plays quite ignorant football at times. 

If you are tough enough to play the slot you must be tough enough to block. This on Beasley. Everyone must up their game.

[Captain Caveman]

45 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Zay Jones and I’m impressed don’t belong in the same sentence

 

I'm impressed that he's managed to stay on the roster this long?

[SirAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

If you are tough enough to play the slot you must be tough enough to block. This on Beasley. Everyone must up their game.

I get that, and it’s everyone responsibility to block. Just saying that Beasley being a bit soft has always been a knock on his game. He’s not the pesky tough little slot receiver type guy. He’s more known as a dependable target with soft hands. The tough parts of the game like blocking and run after the catch are not his game.