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Zay Jones blocking ability - I’m impressed

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2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Yeah, but that kind of math still doesn't really help his case.  It just further shows that in a game where we intended to pass a lot (the plan was to throw a lot early in the game) to exploit the weakest part of the Jets defense, Zay (our starting WR, in his 3rd year, who was a 2nd round pick) was not really a big part of the game plan.

 

At some point, the excuses need to stop and the production needs to happen. 

 

22 yards or less in 4 of his last 7 games with Allen tells me something is off.  A shaky preseason and minimal impact week 1 tells me this (so far) is just more of the same with Zay and right in line with what we have seen from him before.

 

He doesn't need a bunch of excuses from a few posters to change critics minds, he needs to show it on the field...so far, shaky preseason and minimal week 1 usage an impact isn't doing that.  

The math shows he's getting used/open at the same rate as Brown & Beasley when he's on the field. The production on the targets was poor though, bad rate of return. The snap counts say he's WR3. If Brown & Beasley are combining for 15-20 targets per game, there will be a few outlet passes to the RB, say 3-5, and they're going to target the TE another 2-5 times that's already 20-30 of Allen's attempts in any given game. I'm just not seeing much more opportunity for Zay than maybe 5 targets +/- 2. Especially when he's not turning those opportunities into production. And that's before also introducing Foster (who's been mysteriously invisible) and McKenzie on some gadget plays or screens.

 

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

And the other overthrows are the fault of the guys targeted too then ?

 

I know Zay is an easy target (pun intended)

I prefer more facts than speculation. 

Not sure on others. Zay has been known to run the wrong routes and not be in the right place or take the right angles. That's why I'm inclined to believe the overthrow was on Zay for that particular attempt.

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50 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

The math shows he's getting used/open at the same rate as Brown & Beasley when he's on the field. The production on the targets was poor though, bad rate of return. The snap counts say he's WR3. If Brown & Beasley are combining for 15-20 targets per game, there will be a few outlet passes to the RB, say 3-5, and they're going to target the TE another 2-5 times that's already 20-30 of Allen's attempts in any given game. I'm just not seeing much more opportunity for Zay than maybe 5 targets +/- 2. Especially when he's not turning those opportunities into production. And that's before also introducing Foster (who's been mysteriously invisible) and McKenzie on some gadget plays or screens.

 

Not sure on others. Zay has been known to run the wrong routes and not be in the right place or take the right angles. That's why I'm inclined to believe the overthrow was on Zay for that particular attempt.

I believe Zay’s route running is one of his strengths. 

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2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I believe Zay’s route running is one of his strengths. 

 

He gets open a lot for someone that’s never gonna just run past someone. Must be something.

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3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I believe Zay’s route running is one of his strengths. 

 

And showing guys where to line up.  

 

I thought i saw him hand signaling someone Sunday like he had to do with KB.  

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2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

He gets open a lot for someone that’s never gonna just run past someone. Must be something.

 

Didnt every rookie wr from the 19 draft put up better numbers?  

 

The guy blocked someone smaller than him 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼  

 

Baby steps and no more fly routes ever 

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5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Didnt every rookie wr from the 19 draft put up better numbers?  

 

The guy blocked someone smaller than him 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼  

 

Baby steps and no more fly routes ever 

 

Zay’s rookie numbers are terrible and his 2nd year numbers were better but nothing to write home about. So no argument there. And no fly routes.

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I still blame Tyrod Taylor for the lack of production in his rookie season.   

 

Too many uncatchable balls labeled as targets.  

 

Not making excuses for Zay because he needed to perform better which no one is arguing.  

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5 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I'll be honest, on the 'overthrow' I said in real time that that's why Foster should play instead of Zay (blamed it on Zay not being a good receiver).

I don’t understand sending Zay deep to begin with. That’s just not his game. 

54 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

And showing guys where to line up.  

 

I thought i saw him hand signaling someone Sunday like he had to do with KB.  

Probably foster 

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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t understand sending Zay deep to begin with. That’s just not his game. 

 

Is it just me or has he seemed to play quite a bit slower than his 4.45 at the combine? 

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Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

Is it just me or has he seemed to play quite a bit slower than his 4.45 at the combine? 

I don’t know but he doesn’t get the separation that guys like Brown and Foster get 

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He had a nice catch and made some nice contributions.  Teams need guys like him. Is he or Lawson living up to their draft statuses? No. But who cares at this point. They are contributing.

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5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He had a nice catch and made some nice contributions.  Teams need guys like him. Is he or Lawson living up to their draft statuses? No. But who cares at this point. They are contributing.

They are both role players but teams need those. They both made critical plays on Sunday. Zay had a big catch in the 4th and Lawson was out there batting down passes.

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49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They are both role players but teams need those. They both made critical plays on Sunday. Zay had a big catch in the 4th and Lawson was out there batting down passes.

That's what I said. You expect more than role players from first and second round guys but who cares at this point. Just need players to make plays and string some wins together 

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14 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

 

Unlike Foster, who doesn't even know his assigment on this play, he better step up because he will lose playing time once Roberts comes back.

 

Oy...

 

Well, there's a good indicator of why Foster's playing time has been drastically reduced.

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15 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

 

Unlike Foster, who doesn't even know his assigment on this play, he better step up because he will lose playing time once Roberts comes back.

 

I think that whiff is the first time I've seen Foster since the preseason started. So much hype for a guy who can seemingly only run in a straight line. He definitely needs to step up, I'd much rather see Duke.

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17 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

He's blocking for Jesus!!!

 

 

 

It’s very, VERY funny to bring up that episode every single time someone makes a post about Zay’s on-field play. Never gets old.

 

Hey! Maybe we should bring up Josh Allen’s racist tweets in every thread people make about him too...surely that will spawn more intelligent debate.

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11 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

It’s very, VERY funny to bring up that episode every single time someone makes a post about Zay’s on-field play. Never gets old.

 

Hey! Maybe we should bring up Josh Allen’s racist tweets in every thread people make about him too...surely that will spawn more intelligent debate.

Whoa! Somebody loaded up on sensitivity this morning. Lighten up Francis, it's all in fun but if you feel it necessary to bring up Josh's HS antics go ahead.

Seriously, I'll be ok.

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14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, but that kind of math still doesn't really help his case.  It just further shows that in a game where we intended to pass a lot (the plan was to throw a lot early in the game) to exploit the weakest part of the Jets defense, Zay (our starting WR, in his 3rd year, who was a 2nd round pick) was not really a big part of the game plan.

 

At some point, the excuses need to stop and the production needs to happen. 

 

22 yards or less in 4 of his last 7 games with Allen tells me something is off.  A shaky preseason and minimal impact week 1 tells me this (so far) is just more of the same with Zay and right in line with what we have seen from him before.

 

He doesn't need a bunch of excuses from a few posters to change critics minds, he needs to show it on the field...so far, shaky preseason and minimal week 1 usage an impact isn't doing that.  

 

 

 

I mention 5 targets to show the MINIMAL amount he was involved in.  I did not say anything about his catch rate, not once.  I did consistently highlight his lack of involvement.  So no disrespect, but you're forming your own narrative on that and putting words in my mouth not consistent with I actually did say.  

 

 

Guys, Alpha is a really good poster around here. 

 

Absolutely just my opinion, but maybe we don’t jump on one of our own for giving a thoughtful opinion he believes in and wasn’t trying to BS anybody with it.  It didn’t happen the way he thought, but this doesn’t seem like something he should have to parade out and defend himself due to attacks every time Zay makes a catch.  I jokingly commented about something with him a couple of days ago because I like Alpha and I now regret it considering the guy has to stick up for himself with all this.

 

I hope Zay does well, too, Alpha just like you do and I do think you make salient critical points on his play.

 

Again, just my opinion.

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10 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I believe Zay’s route running is one of his strengths. 

Good routes and correct routes are sometimes different things.

 

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

He gets open a lot for someone that’s never gonna just run past someone. Must be something.

Getting open on tape without knowledge of the playcall and being open in the designed spot can be different. Getting open in general can be good depending on your offensive scheme and QB (Rodgers, Wilson, Ben, Watson, etc. like to play improv ball). Our OC is from the NE system, where the QB makes a read and throws to a spot most of the time. There was even talk about how AB would do in NE since he likes to freelance and Brady relies on structure and receivers being exactly where he expects them.

 

9 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

I still blame Tyrod Taylor for the lack of production in his rookie season.   

 

Too many uncatchable balls labeled as targets.  

 

Not making excuses for Zay because he needed to perform better which no one is arguing.  

This doesn't really warrant a response since we've been over it before. Zay's uncatchable rate was significantly higher than every other receiver on the team. I'm sure that's just coincidence though. I know, I know. Stats are totally bogus unless you feel they help your narrative, then you'll attempt to use them.

 

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t understand sending Zay deep to begin with. That’s just not his game. 

Agreed. Not sure how we got to that assignment for him.

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6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

This doesn't really warrant a response since we've been over it before. Zay's uncatchable rate was significantly higher than every other receiver on the team. I'm sure that's just coincidence though. I know, I know. Stats are totally bogus unless you feel they help your narrative, then you'll attempt to use them.

Because Tyrod threw many many uncatchable balls “targeted” for Zay. 3 to 5 yards near the guy are not catchable. 

 

Balls that hit his hand, then all blame goes to Zay 

 

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Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Because Tyrod threw many many uncatchable balls “targeted” for Zay. 3 to 5 yards near the guy are not catchable. 

 

Balls that hit his hand, then all blame goes to Zay 

 

QB throws to a spot and Zay cuts the other direction, who is that on? Again, there's a reason his rate was significantly higher than the rest of the team.

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3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

It’s very, VERY funny to bring up that episode every single time someone makes a post about Zay’s on-field play. Never gets old.

 

Hey! Maybe we should bring up Josh Allen’s racist tweets in every thread people make about him too...surely that will spawn more intelligent debate.

 

lighten up Francis, I chuckled heartily at that guys post. 

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Yes we have discussed this before

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/29651/bills-rookie-zay-jones-believes-criticism-of-his-play-is-really-fair

 

 

Analysis of film shows of Jones' 32 targets this season, 12 have been uncatchable balls by quarterback Tyrod Taylor, including several throwaways when Taylor was under duress. The number of uncatchable targets reached a high Sunday for Jones, who had little to no shot of hauling in four of Taylor's nine targets.

 

That leaves 20 catchable targets for Jones. He has caught seven of them. Of the 13 that fell incomplete, defensive pressure played a role in some. Others, such as a screen pass during a Week 5 game in Cincinnati, were simply dropped.

Still horrible but with some backing to the atrociousness of it all.   

 

May he do better as the #3 WR this season.  

 

So yeah let’s pile it on.  

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6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Yes we have discussed this before

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/29651/bills-rookie-zay-jones-believes-criticism-of-his-play-is-really-fair

 

 

Analysis of film shows of Jones' 32 targets this season, 12 have been uncatchable balls by quarterback Tyrod Taylor, including several throwaways when Taylor was under duress. The number of uncatchable targets reached a high Sunday for Jones, who had little to no shot of hauling in four of Taylor's nine targets.

 

That leaves 20 catchable targets for Jones. He has caught seven of them. Of the 13 that fell incomplete, defensive pressure played a role in some. Others, such as a screen pass during a Week 5 game in Cincinnati, were simply dropped.

Still horrible but with some backing to the atrociousness of it all.   

 

May he do better as the #3 WR this season.  

 

So yeah let’s pile it on.  

Oh right, because Rodak knows what was called on the field. The players had to console Zay in the locker room, but it probably wasn't his fault.

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