Billzfan23 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 21 hours ago, dneveu said: Considering most running backs really only get 2 contracts - and he's averaged about 1200 total yards and 10 TDs per year. I don't really blame him. Hard to determine his value - he's not gurley or bell, but he's also 26 and if he plays out this year he's subject to a tag year - thats 11 million in 2019. Assuming he plays well this year and gets tagged next year he'd make approximately 16-17 million. He's now 28 - the team will have drafted his replacement and "his best days are behind him" so he ends up with a modest mark ingram style deal (3yr 15 mil 6 guaranteed). He probably plays out 2 and makes 10. So he made 26 million - if he plays well and doesnt get hurt. He signs a big deal now in the realm of the bell 4 and 50 - he gets 25ish guaranteed at signing. If he plays well he probably makes more of that 50, or signs a 2nd deal when he gets cut - if he doesn't play well (or gets hurt) he still makes the same 26 he would have made by playing out his 5th year option/tag. From a business perspective running backs kind of have to be selfish... He's TJ Yeldon with dreadlocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 18 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: yep tough call for Chargers i think. not for me. i would pay him. Unless they are doing another rebuild already. who backs up Rivers again lol Everyone has a full 90 right now - its kind of hard to find trade partners when teams have like 7 running backs a piece. Pittsburgh and KC look like good fits, but LA isn't stupid enough to trade to afc contenders. Gonna have to wait to see if some players get injured. Their depth is OK, but if they make a move i'd try and grab someone like duke johnson to play 1b if ekeler becomes the full time starter. 28 minutes ago, Billzfan23 said: He's TJ Yeldon with dreadlocks. Before last year i'd agree, but he was pretty good last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Guess he’s gonna miss the Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 21 hours ago, Logic said: I'm over paying top dollar for running backs. Draft a few of them between rounds 1-5, keep them through their rookie deals, and then let them walk and repeat process. I really don't see ANY consistently great NFL franchises paying big money to running backs these days. I think you pay elite players regardless of position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: You mean final season of his career? He's got another few years in him if he wants to keep playing, and the Chargers certainly dont have any better options lined up currently. I think they bring him back on a 3yr/$75M deal. And I'd personally put that money towards Rivers than any RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: I think you pay elite players regardless of position How "elite" is Gordon though? Shady has better numbers than him over the last 4 years. I'd pay Gordon, but not more than $10M/year. Maybe 4/$34M, fully guaranteed, just to seal the deal. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzfan23 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, dneveu said: Everyone has a full 90 right now - its kind of hard to find trade partners when teams have like 7 running backs a piece. Pittsburgh and KC look like good fits, but LA isn't stupid enough to trade to afc contenders. Gonna have to wait to see if some players get injured. Their depth is OK, but if they make a move i'd try and grab someone like duke johnson to play 1b if ekeler becomes the full time starter. Before last year i'd agree, but he was pretty good last year. Plus the Raiders went first round running back, so they are set for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 23 hours ago, aristocrat said: Rivers is also on the final year of his deal. Rivers seems to be on the last legs of his career- arm strength had really looked diminished down the stretch last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: I think you pay elite players regardless of position the problem with this is that RB rarely survive long enough to make it a good investment. i would agree except for RB because the OL is such a huge factor in the success of backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I wonder if LeVeon Bell wishes he could have back the $14 million or so he left on the table last year? But he showed them! I was all for letting Bruce Smith sit out when he wanted a new contract.....right after he got a new contract. You can probably guess how I feel about Melvin Gordon. He’s got a contract. Play, or don’t. Those are the options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: How "elite" is Gordon though? Shady has better numbers than him over the last 4 years. I'd pay Gordon, but not more than $10M/year. Maybe 4/$34M, fully guaranteed, just to seal the deal. ? Oh I wasn't saying Gordon was elite. Hes a good-great back. My argument was more about paying elite players in general. I've seen people argue that Ezekiel Elliot isnt worth a second contract because hes a RB. Tasker was arguing that he was used up, which is simply ridiculous. He's an elite talent and he will be paid handsomely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Billzfan23 said: He's TJ Yeldon with dreadlocks. Not sure how you make that comparison. Kinda ridiculous actually. Watch the players play. 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: How "elite" is Gordon though? Shady has better numbers than him over the last 4 years. I'd pay Gordon, but not more than $10M/year. Maybe 4/$34M, fully guaranteed, just to seal the deal. ? Does he? Last 4 seasons: Gordon: 897 carries for 3628 yards 182 receptions for 1577 yards 5205 combined yards Shady: 885 carries for 3814 yards 175 receptions for 1334 yards 5148 combined yards I am not saying that he should get Bell money, but he’s worth a pretty good contract. IMO he’s definitely in the $10M-$11M AAV range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I dont blame him, but he will not be worth what he gets on the open market.......it would be terrible if the Bills went after him, makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, mattynh said: I dont blame him, but he will not be worth what he gets on the open market.......it would be terrible if the Bills went after him, makes no sense. They won’t - as you said it makes no sense. It would make more sense for them to go after Duke Johnson, but they would need to move one of the current RBs, who i expect would be McCoy. Duke and Shady now have the same agent as of yesterday, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think their backup Eckler performed decently last year. Gordon may have little leverage. Wonder what LAC would give for Shady, Gore, or Yeldon? 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They won’t - as you said it makes no sense. It would make more sense for them to go after Duke Johnson, but they would need to move one of the current RBs, who i expect would be McCoy. Duke and Shady now have the same agent as of yesterday, btw. I could see LAC going after Duke Johnson if Gordon holds out. Although the Browns likely don't want to trade him to someone they view as a possible playoff opponent. 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Ekeler hasn’t looked nearly as good when he’s been the main RB (when Gordon was hurt) Ture, but that is an improving OL. I'd imagine Ekeler looks better this year. Pair Ekeler with Johnson, Shady, or Yeldon and you have basically what you have with Gordon. Perhaps even better due to injury bug that hits Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Billzfan23 said: He's TJ Yeldon with dreadlocks. That does not seem like improvement. He has a extra handle to be tackled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 He should be making more than Freeman and McCoy (8.5M) but less than Bell, Gurley (13-15M) I give him a 4 year deal worth $40M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I continue to read threads about the running back position and the Bills "potential" interest in acquiring a top back. Most of the conversation is centered around McCoy/Gore/Yeldon. We just drafted a running back in the 3rd round. A 3rd round running back is supposed to be an immediate impact player in 2019. I'm not a big fan of the Singletary pick, but if I was, I would be counting on him to do big things. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 11:52 AM, Logic said: I really don't see ANY consistently great NFL franchises paying big money to running backs these days. There's less than a handful of consistently great franchises and they all have stud QBs. The Rams without Gurley, for example, are a borderline playoff team as opposed to a Super Bowl contender. Great backs are still great backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 11:21 AM, MJS said: He's not going to get Bell money, though. The point is this is the way he gets maximum Gordan money . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Eh, hes had one season where he has averaged over 4.0 ypc. He also seems to be injured often. Out of 64 possible games he has started 52, that's 81% and that's not accounting for the games he started but left early or limited carries because he was nursing an injury. The chargers will stand their ground as they should. Melvin Gordon Injury History Date League Injury Details Nov 25, 2018 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Gordon sprained his right MCL in Week 12 and missed the following 3 games. Oct 14, 2018 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Gordon missed Week 7 with an unspecified hamstring injury. He returned after the Week 8 bye. Dec 11, 2016 NFL Inguinal Hip Sprain Gordon went down early in Week 14 and missed the final 3 games. Dec 11, 2016 NFL Knee PCL Sprain Grade 2 Gordon went down early in Week 14 and missed the final 3 games. Dec 20, 2015 NFL Knee Tear Gordon tore cartilage in his knee in Week 15 and was placed on IR. Aug 13, 2015 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Gordon sat out Week 2 of the preseason but was fine to handle 17 touches in his regular season debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 11:52 AM, Logic said: I really don't see ANY consistently great NFL franchises paying big money to running backs these days. Pittsburgh was before back decided he would rather not play for a year under tag but maybe you do not think $14M is big money. 32 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Eh, hes had one season where he has averaged over 4.0 ypc. He also seems to be injured often. Out of 64 possible games he has started 52, that's 81% and that's not accounting for the games he started but left early or limited carries because he was nursing an injury. The chargers will stand their ground as they should. Melvin Gordon Injury History Date League Injury Details Nov 25, 2018 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Gordon sprained his right MCL in Week 12 and missed the following 3 games. Oct 14, 2018 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Gordon missed Week 7 with an unspecified hamstring injury. He returned after the Week 8 bye. Dec 11, 2016 NFL Inguinal Hip Sprain Gordon went down early in Week 14 and missed the final 3 games. Dec 11, 2016 NFL Knee PCL Sprain Grade 2 Gordon went down early in Week 14 and missed the final 3 games. Dec 20, 2015 NFL Knee Tear Gordon tore cartilage in his knee in Week 15 and was placed on IR. Aug 13, 2015 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Gordon sat out Week 2 of the preseason but was fine to handle 17 touches in his regular season debut. Hip and knee at same time, really should be one line. Still a lot better than Lammy and he got $18M. Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 55 52 897 3628 28 87 4.0 66.0 16.3 243 182 1577 8.7 10 66 3.3 28.7 74.9% 1079 4.8 5205 38 10 36 2015 22 SDG RB 28 14 13 184 641 0 27 3.5 45.8 13.1 37 33 192 5.8 0 18 2.4 13.7 89.2% 5.2 217 3.8 833 0 6 5 2016* 23 SDG RB 28 13 11 254 997 10 48 3.9 76.7 19.5 57 41 419 10.2 2 35 3.2 32.2 71.9% 7.4 295 4.8 1416 12 2 10 2017 24 LAC RB 28 16 16 284 1105 8 87 3.9 69.1 17.8 83 58 476 8.2 4 49 3.6 29.8 69.9% 5.7 342 4.6 1581 12 1 10 2018* 25 LAC RB 28 12 12 175 885 10 34 5.1 73.8 14.6 66 50 490 9.8 4 66 4.2 40.8 75.8% 7.4 225 6.1 1375 14 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) According to overthecap.com Gordon will make a little over 16 mil. after this upcoming season. The franchise # for rb is around 11.2 mil. this year. If I'm Gordon, I play next year under the franchise tag and then retire. 27 million over 6 yrs as a RB and then walk away while you can. That's just me. Edited July 13, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: There's less than a handful of consistently great franchises and they all have stud QBs. The Rams without Gurley, for example, are a borderline playoff team as opposed to a Super Bowl contender. Great backs are still great backs. ...true....so far.....his suspect health will define as to whether they will be "beyond borderline"......running games hope to have a "featured back" to carry the load.....Larry Johnson, Jamal Anderson, Demarco Murray etc were all burned up with "the load", approaching 400 carries......then again, we have Frank "The Tank" Gore, still a ripped beast at 36....OR...who saw AD after an ACL tear make a remarkable recovery, signing with Deadskins last year for vet minimum and logging 1,024 yards?...NOT ME.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...true....so far.....his suspect health will define as to whether they will be "beyond borderline"......running games hope to have a "featured back" to carry the load.....Larry Johnson, Jamal Anderson, Demarco Murray etc were all burned up with "the load", approaching 400 carries......then again, we have Frank "The Tank" Gore, still a ripped beast at 36....OR...who saw AD after an ACL tear make a remarkable recovery, signing with Deadskins last year for vet minimum and logging 1,024 yards?...NOT ME.... Well then backs need to stop saying they get better (more likely to reach incentive clauses) when they have more touches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Wish he would have sat out last season instead of abusing Our rookie mlb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valle78787878 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 the bills need to trade for gordon hes a difference maker and worth 10-12 million in ducasse and dimartino we can save 8-12 million get rid of useless players and get a differnce maker its not a question LETS GET HER DONE BEANE!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, valle78787878 said: the bills need to trade for gordon hes a difference maker and worth 10-12 million in ducasse and dimartino we can save 8-12 million get rid of useless players and get a differnce maker its not a question LETS GET HER DONE BEANE!!!!!!! Who is DiMartino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: Who is DiMartino? Who is ‘HER’? (GET HER DONE) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 9:58 PM, Chicken Boo said: There's less than a handful of consistently great franchises and they all have stud QBs. The Rams without Gurley, for example, are a borderline playoff team as opposed to a Super Bowl contender. Great backs are still great backs. Gurley took the last 2 games of the season off. Then they beat up the Cowboys, got a gift in the NO game (but still held them to only 2 TDs). In the SB, McVay got abused. They weren't a "borderline playoff team"--even with no production form Gurley in the playoffs. The Chargers should look to Gurley's situation last year. He was used up and burnt out. Pay these heavy duty backs at your own peril... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valle78787878 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 patrick Dimarco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 11:21 AM, MJS said: He's not going to get Bell money, though. Bell should not have gotten Bell money. The Bills stand out as a team that put way too much emphasis on RBS’s in the draft and trades. It’s probably why you have to do when you don’t have to do when you do not have a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 42 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Bell should not have gotten Bell money. The Bills stand out as a team that put way too much emphasis on RBS’s in the draft and trades. It’s probably why you have to do when you don’t have to do when you do not have a franchise QB. Under McBeane that is simply not true unless you think one 3rd round draft pick (and no trades) is “way too much emphasis.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, eball said: Under McBeane that is simply not true unless you think one 3rd round draft pick (and no trades) is “way too much emphasis.” I meant over the past several regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: I meant over the past several regimes. I figured, but I don’t like shackling McBeane with the decisions of former GMs and coaches because it’s clear they are doing things differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 10:32 AM, Captain Murica said: Eh, hes had one season where he has averaged over 4.0 ypc. He also seems to be injured often. Out of 64 possible games he has started 52, that's 81% and that's not accounting for the games he started but left early or limited carries because he was nursing an injury. The chargers will stand their ground as they should. Melvin Gordon Injury History Date League Injury Details Nov 25, 2018 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Gordon sprained his right MCL in Week 12 and missed the following 3 games. Oct 14, 2018 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Gordon missed Week 7 with an unspecified hamstring injury. He returned after the Week 8 bye. Dec 11, 2016 NFL Inguinal Hip Sprain Gordon went down early in Week 14 and missed the final 3 games. Dec 11, 2016 NFL Knee PCL Sprain Grade 2 Gordon went down early in Week 14 and missed the final 3 games. Dec 20, 2015 NFL Knee Tear Gordon tore cartilage in his knee in Week 15 and was placed on IR. Aug 13, 2015 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Gordon sat out Week 2 of the preseason but was fine to handle 17 touches in his regular season debut. last 3 seasons...28 rushing TDs, 10 receiving TDs....4372 total yards and only 4 fumbles lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) Wondering if any of you would have paid Thurman his 2nd contract or let him leave...since great RBs are so easy to draft Edited July 15, 2019 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 10:30 AM, YoloinOhio said: Has ZERO Leverage. He has to play this year (by at least week 10) and then looking down the barrel of two Franchise Tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Thanks to Leveon & AB there will now be a rash of this kind of thing hitting the NFL as if they don't make enough money as it is !! Levon wound up screwing him self though from a conversation i heard, the Steelers actual contract would have paid him more than what he agree'd to with the Jets but his greed won out to screw him in the long run!! I hope the owners don't start caving to these kind of tactics & find a way to make them first honor their contracts that they signed initially !! Or just let them sit with out getting paid at all & see how that goes over !! I seem to remember the a very classy MJ saying before one of his first contracts was up in Chi town that he "would honor the contract that he signed because he did agree to the terms in that contract" but then he went on to say something to the effect of - but watch out for my next contract because then i will get paid . But those days of honoring what you sign are long gone ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Has ZERO Leverage. He has to play this year (by at least week 10) and then looking down the barrel of two Franchise Tags That’s why this can’t be compared to the Bell situation. When he threatened to sit out, he was not under contract. Gordon is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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