TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: There's a reason Jackson posted a 13 on his wonderlic. Great athlete, but he will never be a great QB. Is it out of 20? Greg Roman will get the most out of Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Logic said: ......we do? sorry looking at last year but we do play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Between Hayden hurst, mark andrews, Boykin, brown and justice hill the ravens have given him a ton of weapons to succeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 The inference here is that Lamar Jackson is stupid and or lazy. It has been pointed out that he scored 13 on the Wonderlic, by the way Jim Kelly scored 15. He must be dumb because his mother is his agent, I’m guessing his mother truly has his best interest at heart, agents at best are duplicitous. Furthermore his representation won’t become important for a few years. He is such a bad QB that a Super Bowl winning coach traded a Super Bowl winning QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, chris heff said: The inference here is that Lamar Jackson is stupid and or lazy. It has been pointed out that he scored 13 on the Wonderlic, by the way Jim Kelly scored 15. He must be dumb because his mother is his agent, I’m guessing his mother truly has his best interest at heart, agents at best are duplicitous. Furthermore his representation won’t become important for a few years. He is such a bad QB that a Super Bowl winning coach traded a Super Bowl winning QB. LOL Kelly was hungover for sure Seriously, you don't need to be brilliant to be a good QB, but it helps. Edited May 27, 2019 by JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 hours ago, eball said: Some of the comments to that article are pretty humorous. I’ll maintain the position I’ve held since last year...Jackson will prove to be no better than the 4th (if not 5th) best QB taken in the 1st round last season. he'll be 5th when mason rudolph starts playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 hours ago, CSBill said: That's probably an insult to RG3, he actually was a decent thrower and, of course, could run. His problem ended up being a body that could not take an NFL pounding week after week. Jackson can run, and that's about it. The Chargers figured out how to stop him, so that blueprint is now public. It seems pretty simple, force him to throw because that is what he is terrible at. His only success in passing was on plays that broke down and he and his receivers were running all over the field in scramble drills. I don't see that as a sustainable plan for success. It will get you some exciting results sometimes, but sustainable and formula for winning in the NFL? No. Sounds like Tyrod. "Keep him in the pocket and make him throw". Plenty of defenses know how to do that well. Sooner or later you have to be a QB and deliver the ball. Jackson will be a spectacular bust. Been saying it all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, chris heff said: The inference here is that Lamar Jackson is stupid and or lazy. It has been pointed out that he scored 13 on the Wonderlic, by the way Jim Kelly scored 15. He must be dumb because his mother is his agent, I’m guessing his mother truly has his best interest at heart, agents at best are duplicitous. Furthermore his representation won’t become important for a few years. He is such a bad QB that a Super Bowl winning coach traded a Super Bowl winning QB. These comments won’t age well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, chris heff said: The inference here is that Lamar Jackson is stupid and or lazy. It has been pointed out that he scored 13 on the Wonderlic, by the way Jim Kelly scored 15. He must be dumb because his mother is his agent, I’m guessing his mother truly has his best interest at heart, agents at best are duplicitous. Furthermore his representation won’t become important for a few years. He is such a bad QB that a Super Bowl winning coach traded a Super Bowl winning QB. Because Flacco sucks. He's never been an elite QB. He's never been that good at all. He just comes on in the playoffs occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: LaCanfora was tweeting yesterday about how "smart" the Ravens were for adjusting their offense to Jackson's skill set. I read that as Jackson is incomplete as a QB and the Ravens are going to try and mask those shortcomings. Wasn’t there an article from Cover 1 posted a few days ago praising the Bills for adjusting there offense to take advantage of Josh Allen’s skill set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Lamar Jackson has a specialized skill set, to be sure. He is nothing like what you expected of a QB in the NFL ten years ago. Greg Roman's offensive scheme isn't exactly mainstream though. The mainstay of his offense is a vast array of running plays designed to force defenses to cheat toward run defense by stacking the box. Once defenses do that, they become vulnerable to deep throws. It is a much better scheme for a QB like Lamar Jackson than say a West coast scheme. Lamar Jackson can be a natural part of that complex run offense, with his ability to break contain and take off running. The passing component of Roman's offense is not nearly as sophisticated, which is good, because that's not where Jackson's strength lies. Personally, I would rather have a QB whose skill set included a strong passing component. That's not Josh Allen - yet, but I think Josh has far more upside in that area, and a coaching staff with a plan to help that potential become a reality. I think Jackson can have some success with Baltimore given their traditionally strong defense, but he's never going to be an elite QB. Josh Allen just might be in a couple years. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Jackson’s unpaid spiritual advisor Billy Joe Hobert was heard to say “YES!” upon hearing the news... ...to his credit, Billy has just about finished "See Spot Run"............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: ...meanwhile, somewhere in the mountainous foothills, Flacco was heard chuckling into his bowl of Wheaties as he put down his phone and started reviewing his new playbook notes... His phone was intercepted, and the weight of his notes broke his back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I'd be more concerned about this: Imagine a QB entering his 2nd season still learning how to hold the football. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) He never received it? or didn't bother? He will make one heck of a running back then...hand him the rock! Edited May 27, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) I didn’t see much I like out of Jackson’s game. The receivers became decoys much like our receivers were for years. Defenses are going to pick up on his one dimensional play like in the playoffs. People were screaming for Flacco in the second half of that game. I don’t see him lasting very long honestly. Looked like a less talented Kaep imo. Edited May 27, 2019 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'd be more concerned about this: Imagine a QB entering his 2nd season still learning how to hold the football. Wow. Can't even hold a football right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'd be more concerned about this: Imagine a QB entering his 2nd season still learning how to hold the football. idk, the media still says JA is inaccurate. they write to fill a narrative. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...to his credit, Billy has just about finished "See Spot Run"............... Those were great years...QB by committee! ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, Logic said: ......we do? I was going to say in fairness to him according to the TBD home page we do... but that was an away game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: idk, the media still says JA is inaccurate. they write to fill a narrative. That's from Jackson's own mouth. He said he is holding the football incorrectly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: c. there were some on this board wanting us to take Jackson over Allen in the draft. And the year before a few people wanted to take Mahomes:.. Thankfully we didn’t hear much about that afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, chris heff said: Wasn’t there an article from Cover 1 posted a few days ago praising the Bills for adjusting there offense to take advantage of Josh Allen’s skill set? Yup, and what did Aaron Schatz have to say about that? Not starter caliber. Edited May 27, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 51 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Is it out of 20? Greg Roman will get the most out of Jackson. He got the most out of Kaepernick too. Kaep was a better passer than Lamar, which isn't saying much. The Jackson era won't last long in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, H2o said: There's a reason Jackson posted a 13 on his wonderlic. Great athlete, but he will never be a great QB. If he didn’t know a new OC would bring a new offense, the reason he got a 13 may be that he got lucky guessing on a few. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I dont think this predicates whether or not LJ will succeed. There are too much emphasis put on there being one path and one path only to success. Granted, yes you need to know the playbook. No one is saying that you can free wheel it all the time and win, however, there are players who work better playing off script. Patrick Mahomes won the MVP, doing things mostly off script and remarkable on the fly type of decisions. To me, the onus is more on Roman to tailor the offense to LJ and not force LJ into an offense that he cant flourish in. That being said, I'm not overly high on LJ to begin with and dont think hell be an overly good all around QB. I think hell have success, but once teams figure him out, hell be a worse version of Tyrod. 29 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: idk, the media still says JA is inaccurate. they write to fill a narrative. Yet, Allen absolutely does need to polish his accuracy. To assume hes perfectly fine in that area is wrong. I will agree that, judging Allen's success on whether or not he completes 65% of his passes isnt the best way to assess the type of player Josh is. Yet, there is still work to be done in that area without a doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Logic said: Everyone jumped on the Lamar bandwagon early because the Ravens made the playoffs. I'm telling you, I think this kid's going to be a bust. He is NOT an NFL level thrower right now. Unless he makes serious strides, I see him having an RGIII level career. RG3 was already better lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, fansince88 said: Yet the NFL gushed over him. They gushed over him so much he was the 5th QB taken in that draft. I really don't understand the point of that comment haha. I like Allen WAYYYY more than Lamar as a QB prospect to this point, but if you take a look at their stats and how they played in game, they were not very far off. Allen played in twice as many games and their stat avgs are prettttty similar. QB 1: 171 yards / game passing, 3.5% TD % and 58% completion QB 2: 172 yards / game passing, 2.8% TD % and 52% completion This board of football minds has determined one is the next big passer and one is a RB who can't throw the ball. This is why people laugh at our fan base. Edited May 27, 2019 by Elite Poster 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, MJS said: That's from Jackson's own mouth. He said he is holding the football incorrectly. he don’t know no nothin’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Defensive coordinators now had a year to figure out how to defense against him. As someone else said, this is RG3 and I’d include Kaep all over again. Fast, great runner, and looks to his first maybe second read at best. He’ll flame out, and our team will be ready for him. In some ways, I’m more concerned with the Steelers and Browns this year from AFCN. IT’s going to be fun watching all of these second year QB’s go against each other this year. All 5 play each other once or twice this year. I bet Allen has a winning record overall against them. Should be one of the major talking points by the Pundits this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Defensive coordinators now had a year to figure out how to defense against him. As someone else said, this is RG3 and I’d include Kaep all over again. Fast, great runner, and looks to his first maybe second read at best. He’ll flame out, and our team will be ready for him. In some ways, I’m more concerned with the Steelers and Browns this year from AFCN. IT’s going to be fun watching all of these second year QB’s go against each other this year. All 5 play each other once or twice this year. I bet Allen has a winning record overall against them. Should be one of the major talking points by the Pundits this year. ...damn good comparison bud....both got figured out early on....and IMO, NEITHER demonstrated any QB leadership qualities required of your starter...Kaep got too tied up and distracted in his "tats 'n poses" routine.....RG II 1/8 was all "ME" in pressers after a "W" and teammates under the bus after a "L".....not to mention having Daddy RG muddy the waters.....PERFECT gift to Boy Danny Snyder...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, Augie said: If he didn’t know a new OC would bring a new offense, the reason he got a 13 may be that he got lucky guessing on a few. It sounds silly, but they promoted Roman from Running Game Coordinator so it's crazy to think there wouldn't be "some" changes, a whole new offense would be surprising. As to how he managed to go so long without knowing is another question.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, H2o said: There's a reason Jackson posted a 13 on his wonderlic. Great athlete, but he will never be a great QB. Kelly got a 15 & Marino got a 16. I wouldn't hold a 13 Wonderlic against him. Who knows what the class of 2018 will look like in 5 years? I don't care as long as everyone rates Josh Allen #1 in due time. Also, give Jackson a break. Aren't there rules against players & coaches communication in the off-season? Blame the players association. Edited May 27, 2019 by Albany,n.y. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Gugny said: I don't think relying on Lamont Jackson to learn anything is in Baltimore's best interest. I wonder what his mom/agent thinks. She thinks she may have forgot to tell him they changed offenses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: Kelly got a 15 & Marino got a 16. I wouldn't hold a 13 Wonderlic against him. Who knows what the class of 2018 will look like in 5 years? I don't care as long as everyone rates Josh Allen #1 in due time. ...agreed....those scores are immaterial and do not equate to football acumen......look beyond Jackson's score and go from there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Jackson is football's version of Nuke Laloosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 The Ravens are really putting that 13 Wunderlick scoring mind to the test. New plays? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....I'm here to help the youngster............ So the fact that Jackson recognizes he is gripping the ball wrong and is trying to correct it makes him stupid? Okay got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...agreed....those scores are immaterial and do not equate to football acumen......look beyond Jackson's score and go from there.... Looking beyond the score, Jackson is still "intellectually challenged" to put it in a nice way, and not a particularly talented quarterback. 9 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Kelly got a 15 & Marino got a 16. I wouldn't hold a 13 Wonderlic against him. Who knows what the class of 2018 will look like in 5 years? I don't care as long as everyone rates Josh Allen #1 in due time. Also, give Jackson a break. Aren't there rules against players & coaches communication in the off-season? Blame the players association. Casual fans of the NFL knew the Ravens were changing offense. There is no NFL rule against paying attention to what is going on with your team. Pretty sure there is no rule gainst him having a playbook either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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