“Still Miles Away” -Colin Cowherd

[Chandler#81]

12 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Yeah, after I typed that I knew it would come across the wrong way, lol.  I just mean they aren't blowing people out left and right.  It's amazing the run they are on, but I never get the sense they just roll over other teams.

They don’t, as a rule. They just WIN. I think the biggest aspect of Belichek rarely addressed is how well -and DIFFERENT they play in the 4th quarter. Their roster rarely if ever is loaded. What they do that’s so much different than any other club is have planned changes for the 4th quarter. Their opponent film study shows up early in the games and maintains their specific strategy through 3 quarters, lulling the opponent into believing they’ve been figured out. THEN, they change up aspects they’ve seen being bought into by the opponent on both sides of the ball. Blitz on 2nd down when they haven’t done it at all. Draw plays on 1st Down, showing repetitive passing formations they threw from prior. Backing out DL into zone when they rushed every play prior. This is rarely ever talked about and it’s not always evident, but it always happens and they win close game after close game. I hate it, but he’s a genius.

[Lurker]

The only thing miles away for me is my interest in listening to Cowerd...

[Rocket94]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Thats no surprise. He looks like a guy mostly concerned with appearances. Doesn’t mean he knows anything special. 

I ran several marathons in "respectable" times...3:30 -3:45, but people would say: "Well, did you run Boston?" I suppose finishing was winning. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Miles away from what? Super bowl? Yes. 

 

And that’s all I care about. Our offensive playmakers are nowhere near talented enough to contend and most of them will he retired or close to it in a couple years. 

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Sees us as last in the Division. Obviously, he has many critics, but I’ve always liked him and he makes points.

 

*Alarming 7 Blowout loses

*Young QBs do better with Offensive HC

*Fish go from 7-9 pretenders to WC consideration w/Rosen

*Pats* great Draft

*Jets did much to improve 

 

I’m good with this analysis as we all (AFCE) play a comparatively favorable schedule and no Bills fans really know what we have or who we are yet. We’re putting a lot of stock and hope that all the pieces will fit nicely very quickly. If not, and it’s unreasonable to expect it, we’re going to lose games we likely should and could have won, while learning ‘who we are’.

 

I still think 10 wins is possible, but it’ll take at least 3 Division wins to accomplish.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/05/buffalo-bills-still-miles-away-from-competing-in-afc-says-colin-cowherd.html

 

I wonder where he pulled that young QBs do poorly with defensive-minded head coaches.

 

I think it may be just the opposite. Defensive-minded head coaches ask less from their QBs and often look for run-heavy ball control efforts, long drives that eat clock, and no turnovers.

 

Whereas the so-called offensive gurus can ruin a young QB with a foot thick playbook and asking too much too soon.

 

Subjective at best based on the coordinators and position coaches for each team. Matt Patricia seemed to do pretty well with Mahomes...

 

He has Rosen flourishing under Miami's new defensive-minded head coach, yet has Allen doomed to fail because we have a head coach with a defensive coaching background.

 

More holes than Swiss cheese in this bent assessment. I'm going with classic Bills hater here.

 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by WideNine

[eball]

16 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

They don’t, as a rule. They just WIN. I think the biggest aspect of Belichek rarely addressed is how well -and DIFFERENT they play in the 4th quarter. Their roster rarely if ever is loaded. What they do that’s so much different than any other club is have planned changes for the 4th quarter. Their opponent film study shows up early in the games and maintains their specific strategy through 3 quarters, lulling the opponent into believing they’ve been figured out. THEN, they change up aspects they’ve seen being bought into by the opponent on both sides of the ball. Blitz on 2nd down when they haven’t done it at all. Draw plays on 1st Down, showing repetitive passing formations they threw from prior. Backing out DL into zone when they rushed every play prior. This is rarely ever talked about and it’s not always evident, but it always happens and they win close game after close game. I hate it, but he’s a genius.

 

Yes, Belichick is a master at changing tendencies not from week to week but from series to series, or even play to play.  You'd think other coaches would have learned by now...

[Talley56]

Very skeptical about some of his points.  First of all the blow out losses were with Peterman and Anderson as QBs.  I also think it’s way too soon to say the Pats had a great draft.  As for the Dolphins, that is a major assumption and there is no more reason to believe Rosen will make them a playoff contender than there is to believe Allen will make us one in his 2nd season.

[Rob's House]

I have a theory, but it's really out there:

 

Maybe he doesn't think the Bills are going to win a lot of games this year.

 

I know it sounds nutty, but it could be true. He may think an overhauled offense with a lot of new starters might take a minute to come together, and that we still don't really know how Josh Allen will progress in year 2.

[Malazan]

The dolphins are trying to tank..and he thinks they'll do better than last season and that the Jets are going to do better with the losing coach from that season. Solid logic there.

[Stank_Nasty]

7 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I have a theory, but it's really out there:

 

Maybe he doesn't think the Bills are going to win a lot of games this year.

 

I know it sounds nutty, but it could be true. He may think an overhauled offense with a lot of new starters might take a minute to come together, and that we still don't really know how Josh Allen will progress in year 2.

fair enough.... now go ahead and try and explain away rosen and the fins making the wildcard.

 

lets not act like the dude is using common sense. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I have a theory, but it's really out there:

 

Maybe he doesn't think the Bills are going to win a lot of games this year.

 

I know it sounds nutty, but it could be true. He may think an overhauled offense with a lot of new starters might take a minute to come together, and that we still don't really know how Josh Allen will progress in year 2.

 

And Miami and the Jets are so much farther along?

 

And I have mentioned before the toll playing QB takes on a body. I count each year a dude plays QB in the NFL like dog years. That makes Brady something like 300 years old.

 

Not very scientific I know, but the Pats are vulnerable this year. I would avoid firm prognostication when it comes to the AFC East this year.

 

 

 

[Greybeard]

2 hours ago, 4thandGoal said:

The credibility of his words is shot when he states that Fins are WC conterders. The Rosen statue will crumble behind that O-Line!!

           I think he meant the Fins are going out to the WC.  I think it is an old english term.

[dlonce]

2 hours ago, MichaelAbdallah said:

Here's all you need to know in order to understand Colin Cowherd's football opinions:

 

NYC: #1 metro area in population

Miami: #7 metro area in population

Boston: #10 metro area in population

Buffalo: #50 metro area in population

 

He has openly expressed his disdain for blue collar people and small cities and feels that the NFL would be a better league if the Buffalo Bills had moved to Toronto.

 

Metro population isn’t a true indicator, even though he may be using it as a basis.

Our market extends to Rochester, and most notably Toronto, which would make the Bills top 3 at minimum.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Sees us as last in the Division. Obviously, he has many critics, but I’ve always liked him and he makes points.

 

*Alarming 7 Blowout loses

*Young QBs do better with Offensive HC

*Fish go from 7-9 pretenders to WC consideration w/Rosen

*Pats* great Draft

*Jets did much to improve 

 

I’m good with this analysis as we all (AFCE) play a comparatively favorable schedule and no Bills fans really know what we have or who we are yet. We’re putting a lot of stock and hope that all the pieces will fit nicely very quickly. If not, and it’s unreasonable to expect it, we’re going to lose games we likely should and could have won, while learning ‘who we are’.

 

I still think 10 wins is possible, but it’ll take at least 3 Division wins to accomplish.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/05/buffalo-bills-still-miles-away-from-competing-in-afc-says-colin-cowherd.html

 

Well, All Righty Then (to the bolded).  He lost me right there.  Rosen looked bad behind the Cards swiss-cheese OL which gave up 52 sacks.  The Dolphins did less to improve their OL than we did in FA and less in the draft (3rd round G, 6th round T).  Its Swiss Cheesian 52-sack nature may still be present
 

Agree with you that we acquired a lot of pieces and no one really knows who many of those pieces are in the NFL or how they fit, as of yet.

The Bills were a total of 18 points over 3 games from another 9-7 record.  5 of their "blowout losses" were not started by Allen.

They too, "did much to improve". 

 

If he's worried about "Blowout Losses", perhaps he should consider that the Jets and Dolphins, also, had blowout losses - I count at least 6 "alarming blowout losses" for the Dolphins, including one to the Bills, one to a team we blew out, and a couple to the same teams that blew us out.  The Jets had at least 6 as well, including one to the Bills and one to a team we blew out.

 

Eh, it's entertainment.  My favorite Cowherd segment was the one where he interviewed Mayfield, and Mayfield just took him to school.

 

 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

What is a "blowout" loss, i see 4 blowout losses under the great quarterbacking of Derek Anderson, Nathan Peterman.

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, dlonce said:

 

Metro population isn’t a true indicator, even though he may be using it as a basis.

Our market extends to Rochester, and most notably Toronto, which would make the Bills top 3 at minimum.

If the Bills were a “top 3” nfl market, there wouldn’t be any concerns about selling PSL’s and suites. ?

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Wsam4031 said:

This guy is an utter tool. Not sure who is worse him or Stephen A Smith

 

Stephen A yells at me! I don’t like being yelled at. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

“Fish go from 7-9 pretenders to WC consideration w/Rosen”

 

?????

 

 

Blovian ties don't make the grade with the torque.

 

 

 

 

 

What are "two sentences that don't make any sense" for 400, Alex.  

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

fair enough.... now go ahead and try and explain away rosen and the fins making the wildcard.

 

lets not act like the dude is using common sense. 

 

Yeah, and using terms like "still miles away."  He's a buffoon.

[Rob's House]

21 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

fair enough.... now go ahead and try and explain away rosen and the fins making the wildcard.

 

lets not act like the dude is using common sense. 

Rosen's entitlement & wokeness will elevate the team.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Must be that unhappy childhood he had, and being wrong on the circumstances of Sean Taylor’s death.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I have a theory, but it's really out there:

 

Maybe he doesn't think the Bills are going to win a lot of games this year.

 

I know it sounds nutty, but it could be true. He may think an overhauled offense with a lot of new starters might take a minute to come together, and that we still don't really know how Josh Allen will progress in year 2.

 

It could well be true.  But against that possibility, he really should look at the fact that 4 of the Bills blowout losses came in games our QB did not start, one in his first start.

 

The Dolphins tied the Cards for 52 QB sacks last year, lost key OLmen in FA, and didn't do much to shore up the line either in FA or draft (3rd round G).  They too, might take a minute to come together as a team, and meanwhile they just traded for a QB who will stand in like flank steak to be pounded, whereas our QB will sidestep and light the afterburners to shoot down the field, stiff-arming LBs on the way (yes, Kiko, I see you).

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

Rosen's entitlement & wokeness will elevate the team.

 

 

Rob, I mean no disrespect, but don't you think you are being a little obtuse?

 

It's important to understand that when you are a rookie QB on a bad football team, going from one bad football team to another bad football team is all that is necessary to make you look good, especially when you had nothing to do with the bad football team being a bad football team other than being the bad football team's starter for 13 games at the most crucial position in sports.

 

My apologies if I was a little hard on you.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

Rosen's entitlement & wokeness will elevate the team.

 

Elevate, you mean like elevated sluice gates allow the waters to rush through enroute to the QB?

 

Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

Rob, I mean no disrespect, but don't you think you are being a little obtuse?

 

Sarcastic, more like

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

Colin i use to listen too about 10 years ago liked because he was honest and never said what he did not believe. I do not have opportunity now to listen so assuming status quo that way: he likes "intellectual" qbs not big strong arms. Colin liked Captain Checkdown because of Stanford therefoe Rosen is his kind of guy and Allen is not- the question is will he admit how wrong he is at end of year?

[The Senator]

 

Nothing Cowturd says ever bothered me, because I’ve never heard a word of it, and never will.

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[BullBuchanan]

I don't agree with him on the Fins, but he's spot on with the Jets. Does it really matter if we finish 3/4 or 4/4? Several of the teams on the rise (Jets, Browns, Jags, Chargers) have gotten better. It's going to be a very uphill battle for us to compete this year. Outside of the Dolphins, there isn't a team we should be counting on being stronger than (on paper) in the whole conference. The Raiders, Titans, Bengals, Ravens, Broncos, and maybe even the Steelers could end up being weak teams this year, but the AFC in general should have a pretty high floor. We should be a more talented team than last year, but I think we're less improved than a lot of other squads.

Edited May 3, 2019 by BullBuchanan

[Rob's House]

29 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Rob, I mean no disrespect, but don't you think you are being a little obtuse?

 

It's important to understand that when you are a rookie QB on a bad football team, going from one bad football team to another bad football team is all that is necessary to make you look good, especially when you had nothing to do with the bad football team being a bad football team other than being the bad football team's starter for 13 games at the most crucial position in sports.

 

My apologies if I was a little hard on you.

Be gentle with me.

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, Mark80 said:

 

Yep, a guy who is thought of so highly that they barely got a 2nd round pick for him.

only 3 picks better than Tyrod. The Market was just salivating for him

 

Watched a few of Rosen's games from last year. The Cardinals made the right call. I dont know if Murray will be good, but I have lots more doubts about Rosen

 

Very Combo or Trent and EJ. Lots of quick throws and lots of underthrows and overthrows. Came away very unimpressed. Perhaps most damning, in the game against the chargers the Cards started hot and had a 10 -0 lead then it got out of hand because that was just a bad team. In the second half, the ran the ball nearly the entire second half. No effort to put the game on Rosen to make some plays, almost like they didnt trust him. It was bizarre.

 

I never once felt like the Bills tried to hide Allen (at least after his injury). I couldnt believe it. The Cards had not faith in Rosen and it showed

[Low Positive]

I used to have to listen to Cowherd on my drive home because it was either that or Mo Egger's excessive bitching about Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton. If you listened to his show, you would know that every point that he made is something that has said in the past. He picks games based on who he thinks has the better QB and head coach. He had very strong opinions on the 2018 draft class, and since we now have 3 of the four first-rounders in our division that will drive his rankings almost exclusively. In his rankings, Darnold was the next coming of John Elway and Rosen was right behind him. Allen was on the bottom, second only to Baker Mayfield. Also, that thing about offensive head coaches is something that he says all the time. He's been disabused of this notion by countless guests, most notably Greg Cosel on a weekly basis, but sports talk guys are like message board posters; once they take a public stance on something, it takes a lot to move them off of that position. His professional reputation depends on Rosen and Darnold being superstars and Allen and Mayfield failing.

 

He also spends a lot of time making really stupid weak analogies between sports and business, but that has nothing to do with this except to say that he thinks that anyone who lives in a cold weather small city is a loser. He also thinks that any fan who would sit outside for a game is a loser because winners sit in luxury suites or watch on big screen TVs. He also questioned why any football player would go to Ohio State or Michigan when the women there have "cankles" while all the women at USC and UCLA are really hot. 

He also thinks that Vegas oddsmakers are completely flawless.

[John from Riverside]

Wasnt he one of the Josh Allen haters then suddenly reversed himself?

 

F him

[Low Positive]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Wasnt he one of the Josh Allen haters then suddenly reversed himself?

 

F him

To be fair, I was one of the Josh Allen haters who suddenly reserved himself. But Cowhers is still an idiot, only a half step above Skip Bayless.

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

The jets had 4 blow out losses. I don’t think he realized we replaced our entire offense pretty much.

Bills blowout losses

 

Ravens - Peterman

Chargers - Allen's first Start. Second half was very competitive

Packers- Allen had a rough day

Colts - Derek Anderson gets out of a wheelchair to play football

Pats* - Derek Anderson gets beat up

Bears - Peterman

Pats* Allen struggled, drops all over the place

 

[NewEra]

52 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Stephen A yells at me! I don’t like being yelled at. 

Lol.  I love it when SAS yells at me.  It’s the Chris Rock version of debate. He’s like Floyd and Connor. The louder you talk the more you get paid. And he’s getting paid

[Heff]

Coward is crazy

[aristocrat]

13 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Bills blowout losses

 

Ravens - Peterman

Chargers - Allen's first Start. Second half was very competitive

Packers- Allen had a rough day

Colts - Derek Anderson gets out of a wheelchair to play football

Pats* - Derek Anderson gets beat up

Bears - Peterman

Pats* Allen struggled, drops all over the place

 

 

oh i know the deal man. what i'm saying is he very clearly did not see the wholesale changes we made at four spots on our o line, 2 wrs, te and rb. Literally overhauled the whole damn thing.  The jets brought in an aging guard who had a rough year last year, a very talented but very headcase rb who may or not be in shape and a lb who can't play pass downs.  But he says they imrpoved somehow

[Captain Hindsight]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

oh i know the deal man. what i'm saying is he very clearly did not see the wholesale changes we made at four spots on our o line, 2 wrs, te and rb. Literally overhauled the whole damn thing.  The jets brought in an aging guard who had a rough year last year, a very talented but very headcase rb who may or not be in shape and a lb who can't play pass downs.  But he says they imrpoved somehow

The improved because they play in "NY"

 

I'd argue even if they got more talent they absolutely botched the hiring of Gase. They lost out to Kingsbury and then their lame duck GM wanted control over the Baylor coaches staff and he balked. Gase was the last chick at the party. He was a bad coach in Miami and I dont see that changing anytime soon 

[416BillsFan]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

Allen:  11 starts, 5 wins, 18 TDs, passer rating 67.9, QBR 52.3

Rosen:  13 starts, 3 wins, 11 TDs, passer rating 66.7, QBR 26.6

 

I mean, the passer rating is similar but not much else.  The supposedly "NFL-ready" and accurate QB Rosen completed 55.2% of his passes.

 

Both Buffalo and Arizona had crappy OLs, but one could argue Arizona had better players at receiver.

 

Who knows, maybe Rosen was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and will blossom in Miami.  For some reason I doubt it.

As bad as our o-line was last year, Arizona's was much worse. And Miami's this year looks to be around the same level of awful. Although Miami's QB situation (and likely coaching) is much improved this year, that awful line will "hinder" (not really in the grand scheme of things because it's a rebuild) them. The Dolphins are in a great rebuilding situation for 2020: If Rosen doesn't work out, there are plenty to chose from in next year's draft. But if he does, the team will likely still be near the bottom and they'll be in a great position to get a haul for a likely top pick.

[Jay_Fixit]

I need someone to be angry at.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He had us 3rd in the division pre-draft but has always been a big Rosen guy so not surprised that affected his view.

Totally invalidates his opinion.....

 

but it does not matter......the bills have to get it done on the field this year.