TBBills Fan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 To have a Front office and coaching staff that seem to be more than competent with a specific plan on how to build and develop a club for sustained success. Having lived through the 90s greatness and all the pitfalls we have seen since with coaches, front office personnel...it seems like the sun may be finally rising for us Bills fans! Its nice to not be scratching my head at moves made and thinking wtf.... Sustained success is a real possibility Go Bills 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Kinda like THE LAST DAYS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) It's good stuff. It's nice to hear from players how respected and taken care of they feel being on this team. Beane said it yesterday during the presser, it's a business first but that doesn't mean business has to be conducted in a cold manner. Even if they have to cut a guy, it sounds like both Beane and McDermott have some parting words for the guys on their way out. It's good not to burn bridges like that and those type of things get talked about in league circles. "Yeah, Buffalo may not have a lot to do but that franchise will really take care of you and the fans will love you." And I had a thought yesterday about this whole "Buffalo is an undesirable FA destination" stuff. Yeah, it's true, there isn't a crazy amount of things to do up here and it's a smaller city but that's what makes the Bills so special to us. There isn't a whole lot here BUT the Bills, so that makes them the "it" thing of the region. No other teams to draw attention away (well, Sabres but this season...yeesh) so the focus is all on them. You got kids waiting at the airport with a bucket of wings to welcome these guys. How cool is that? So yeah, you can go to cities where the nightlife is better, the weather is better, more stuff to do, etc. but you come to Buffalo and you're gonna be celebrated by one of the best fanbases in sports. I love that a lot of players that play here talk about how New Era Stadium is one of the only places in the NFL that feels like a college atmosphere. And I was also glad to see Beane say he was straight up pissed off at the crap being slung around about this area. Good to see him just take a stand instead of dance around the topic and give a stock answer. Edited March 15, 2019 by blacklabel 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 [This is an automated response] As a courtesy to the other board members, please use more descriptive topic titles. A better title will help the community find information faster and make your topic more likely to be read. The topic starter can edit the topic title line to make it more appropriate. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Take a pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 They have a plan, and they're executing it the way it should be executed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 4 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: To have a Front office and coaching staff that seem to be more than competent with a specific plan on how to build and develop a club for sustained success. Having lived through the 90s greatness and all the pitfalls we have seen since with coaches, front office personnel...it seems like the sun may be finally rising for us Bills fans! Its nice to not be scratching my head at moves made and thinking wtf.... Sustained success is a real possibility Go Bills As a Buffalo Fan, I have learned to curb my enthusiasm. I mean, look what the Sabres did to us this year!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I go into almost every season feeling cautiously optimistic, but this year the optimism is outweighing the caution. And while the thread title is technically vague, somehow I knew exactly what it was about before opening it. ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I live outside Indy now, but grew up in Tonawanda and have lived in or spent lengthy time in big cities like NYC, Chicago, Houston. And what I don't get is this idea that a city like Buffalo doesn't have what big cities have and therefore isn't as attractive a destination. So what exactly is needed? Professional athletes have pretty involved professional lives and in their free time they do what onther young men do. They'll want some night life, places to eat, etc. Well, you can find all that in Buffalo, right? Some nice bars, plenty of unique places to eat. I know it's been a while since I've been back but everything I read and everything relatives tell me is that the city is revitalized. I mean, you can only eat in one place and party at one bar at a time, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 [Vague Title] Feels Strange... ...having Gase keeping an eye on us? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Maybe try the other hand?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Maybe try the other hand?? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Who is Vague Title and why is he posting here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, Gugny said: Maybe try the other hand?? And sit on that hand for a while first, so it goes numb - that way, it feels like someone else's hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I actually understood the title because...... It does feel strange. It seems weird to think we could have a winning record next year and actually mean it. Good times in Buffalo ?. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 hours ago, BmarvB said: They have a plan, and they're executing it the way it should be executed in other words... competent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 You’re supposed to, ya know, engage with the people kind enough to comment on your thread with the bad title bud. This isn’t your personal blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 While a applaud the moves they’ve made this year, some of the things they’ve done the last couple years were really head scratching. I get the salary dumps but there’s been other things I ?????? That said I like what they’ve built, in the end it don’t mean much unless it equates to wins and playoffs and hopefully beyond. As we have all said for 20 years it’s all on the quarterbacks success. If Allen is next in line to help lead the new era of franchise quarterbacks we have a lot to cheer for. Either way there should be some excellent football games on the horizon, this is a team that’s going to compete every game I’m hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 It feels like when you've been in a string of bad relationships for years and years, then you meet this girl who is amazing, and things are going great, and you're like "this could be the one!!" ... But deep down you're still scared, waiting for the other shoe to drop and the wheels to fall off, like you find out that she is a serial killer (the pats know this feeling haha) or something... Hopefully we have a happy ever after though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 This is the first offseason in a long time where I've been looking at what some other teams are doing with confusion and pity. I see mega contracts being handed out for mediocre players, I see teams letting 25-year-old All Pros walk away without even tagging them, I see teams getting themselves into cap trouble with poor decisions, teams in quarterback purgatory....in short, I see teams that do not seem to have a plan in place at all. For years and years, I still saw the same thing, but I didn't notice it because my OWN favorite team was so dysfunctional, so lost, so without a plan of their own. I was so consumed with the ineptitude of the Bills that it was all I could see. Now that I see what it's like to watch a team with a plan, with financial discipline, a team who is meticulously prepared for every possibility...I look out at some of the nonsense that other teams are pulling and just shake my head. I know what their fan bases are feeling because I've felt it my entire life as a Bills fan. Feels good to look at the Buffalo Bills from afar and see that they have a logical plan, and one that makes sense, and they're enacting it. What a weird feeling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) I think we really just feel that way b/c most of us think Josh had a good enough rookie season and may have a future. Some decent moves this offseason but honestly (I know it's crazy to say it) Doug had some decent moves as well ... we just never really liked the QB situation. Edited March 16, 2019 by dayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 23 hours ago, blacklabel said: It's good stuff. It's nice to hear from players how respected and taken care of they feel being on this team. Beane said it yesterday during the presser, it's a business first but that doesn't mean business has to be conducted in a cold manner. Even if they have to cut a guy, it sounds like both Beane and McDermott have some parting words for the guys on their way out. It's good not to burn bridges like that and those type of things get talked about in league circles. "Yeah, Buffalo may not have a lot to do but that franchise will really take care of you and the fans will love you." And I had a thought yesterday about this whole "Buffalo is an undesirable FA destination" stuff. Yeah, it's true, there isn't a crazy amount of things to do up here and it's a smaller city but that's what makes the Bills so special to us. There isn't a whole lot here BUT the Bills, so that makes them the "it" thing of the region. No other teams to draw attention away (well, Sabres but this season...yeesh) so the focus is all on them. You got kids waiting at the airport with a bucket of wings to welcome these guys. How cool is that? So yeah, you can go to cities where the nightlife is better, the weather is better, more stuff to do, etc. but you come to Buffalo and you're gonna be celebrated by one of the best fanbases in sports. I love that a lot of players that play here talk about how New Era Stadium is one of the only places in the NFL that feels like a college atmosphere. And I was also glad to see Beane say he was straight up pissed off at the crap being slung around about this area. Good to see him just take a stand instead of dance around the topic and give a stock answer. This dude/dudette is quickly becoming one of my favorite posters around here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, Logic said: This dude/dudette is quickly becoming one of my favorite posters around here. Agreed we need more of him and less of bull Buchanan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 NDWT 4lyfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 23 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: To have a Front office and coaching staff that seem to be more than competent with a specific plan on how to build and develop a club for sustained success. Having lived through the 90s greatness and all the pitfalls we have seen since with coaches, front office personnel...it seems like the sun may be finally rising for us Bills fans! Its nice to not be scratching my head at moves made and thinking wtf.... Sustained success is a real possibility Go Bills I think there headed in the right direction . But the real work begins with these 2 upcoming drafts . We need Game changers on offense and defense. It's easy to find complementary pieces and we have done a great job doing this but we need those difference makers if we are to become contenders. Right now we got 3 guys that need to grow into those roles Allen, Edmunds and Tre White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 ....as I posted elsewhere and according to what I've read, McBeane's "Gang of 17+" staff is significantly comprised of many VP of Player Personnel &Director of Pro Player Personnel types from around the league.....I'd bet the payroll (including McBeane) is north of $5 mil., ALL out of Pegula's check book.....pretty fortunate to have owners willing to spend like that for a top notch staff...this is their 2nd draft together with McDermott (3rd).......I'd venture this is the best gang in the last decade+ versus the "F Troop" misfits who ran the show for 17 years since the Polian.....and I'd even go out on a limb to say potentially better than the Polian era.....so stay tuned.......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Whaley defenders will disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 11:52 AM, blacklabel said: It's good stuff. It's nice to hear from players how respected and taken care of they feel being on this team. Beane said it yesterday during the presser, it's a business first but that doesn't mean business has to be conducted in a cold manner. Even if they have to cut a guy, it sounds like both Beane and McDermott have some parting words for the guys on their way out. It's good not to burn bridges like that and those type of things get talked about in league circles. "Yeah, Buffalo may not have a lot to do but that franchise will really take care of you and the fans will love you." And I had a thought yesterday about this whole "Buffalo is an undesirable FA destination" stuff. Yeah, it's true, there isn't a crazy amount of things to do up here and it's a smaller city but that's what makes the Bills so special to us. There isn't a whole lot here BUT the Bills, so that makes them the "it" thing of the region. No other teams to draw attention away (well, Sabres but this season...yeesh) so the focus is all on them. You got kids waiting at the airport with a bucket of wings to welcome these guys. How cool is that? So yeah, you can go to cities where the nightlife is better, the weather is better, more stuff to do, etc. but you come to Buffalo and you're gonna be celebrated by one of the best fanbases in sports. I love that a lot of players that play here talk about how New Era Stadium is one of the only places in the NFL that feels like a college atmosphere. And I was also glad to see Beane say he was straight up pissed off at the crap being slung around about this area. Good to see him just take a stand instead of dance around the topic and give a stock answer. I just never understood the whole "there isn't a lot to do" narrative that people keep talking about. I mean there is constantly something going on in this area no matter what time of year, and it seems like more and more things are being added every year. Granted we might not have as many places to go as bigger cities but there is no shortage here either...all 4 seasons...skiing, sledding, hiking, kayaking, canoeing, white water rapids, fishing, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 It's awesome to see the FO having a plan But it's WAY better watching them execute it, almost to absolute perfection. That's the biggest thing. I feel like the FO always "has a plan" but execution is a different story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Whaley defenders will disagree ..not going to defend Whaley nor use him as the convenient "whipping boy"......we'll NEVER know the extent of his horsepower as GM and I doubt he had the full fledged, GM like authority......he was a personnel guy labeled "GM" who was more of a gopher..."here's what we want now go find 'em".......coaches, Overdorf, etc were the final decision makers....what bonafide GM would overload a club with multiple one year deals so they would be faced with 23 UFA's the following year?...not a good one IMO....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 10:38 AM, TBBills Fan said: To have a Front office and coaching staff that seem to be more than competent with a specific plan on how to build and develop a club for sustained success. Having lived through the 90s greatness and all the pitfalls we have seen since with coaches, front office personnel...it seems like the sun may be finally rising for us Bills fans! Its nice to not be scratching my head at moves made and thinking wtf.... Sustained success is a real possibility Go Bills To be fair, I think Whaley had little control over coaches and by proxy over the long term plan. He was just stocking the shelves. Typically the moves made sense in that context. we still have to see if the plan works. 25 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I just never understood the whole "there isn't a lot to do" narrative that people keep talking about. I mean there is constantly something going on in this area no matter what time of year, and it seems like more and more things are being added every year. Granted we might not have as many places to go as bigger cities but there is no shortage here either...all 4 seasons...skiing, sledding, hiking, kayaking, canoeing, white water rapids, fishing, etc... I suspect some 22 year olds from Texas that finally are realizing their dreams with a 6-7 figure salary may be less excited about sledding than you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think the important part is they share the same plan as the coaching staff. 37 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Whaley defenders will disagree No I think Whaley would have been better than he was if he was able to pick his own staff. However I believe this is probably the best FO we have ever had. Remember that the Coach had heavy input if he didnt hand pick the GM. This is a very important detail. I dont think Whaleys FO would have been this good either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: To be fair, I think Whaley had little control over coaches and by proxy over the long term plan. He was just stocking the shelves. Typically the moves made sense in that context. we still have to see if the plan works. I suspect some 22 year olds from Texas that finally are realizing their dreams with a 6-7 figure salary may be less excited about sledding than you are Maybe but that doesn't mean therr isn't anything to do, it just means you are shut off to it and only interested in experiencing half of what there is to offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Not to rain on what "appears" to be a somewhat positive off-season so far, but at this point "the plan" means nothing until we see results on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..not going to defend Whaley nor use him as the convenient "whipping boy"......we'll NEVER know the extent of his horsepower as GM and I doubt he had the full fledged, GM like authority......he was a personnel guy labeled "GM" who was more of a gopher..."here's what we want now go find 'em".......coaches, Overdorf, etc were the final decision makers....what bonafide GM would overload a club with multiple one year deals so they would be faced with 23 UFA's the following year?...not a good one IMO....... This is one of the great fallacies in Bills history. People say “Whaley didn’t get to pick his coaches.” That’s probably a good thing. His rumored choice to replace Doug Marrone was Hugh Jackson, quite possibly one of the most unsuccessful coaches of all time. Also, what did Whaley do to really deserve the right to hire his head coach in 2015? He should have lost his job in 2015 over the Doug Marrone situation. Yet for some reason the Pegulas kept him and Russ. Still, if you are an owner who contemplates firing an employee the last thing you are going to do is to empower him to make one of the most important decisions for your team. Also look at the front staff that hired under Whaley: Jim Monos: out of the NFL. I believe I read he was in sales. Now working for the collegiate bowl Kelvin Fisher: went back to Pittsburgh as a scout. Not exactly the most stellar group of leaders in the football department. Now compare the group he put together vs Beane’s: Brian Gaine (current Texans GM) Malik Boyd (contender for a future GM spot) Dan Morgan (contender for a future GM spot) Joe Schoen (former director of pro personnel) Bottom line....Beane has a vision and some idea how to carry out that plan. Whaley was clueless. I’ll never understand the support he gets from some Bills fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 7 hours ago, NoSaint said: To be fair, I think Whaley had little control over coaches and by proxy over the long term plan. He was just stocking the shelves. Typically the moves made sense in that context. The same people hailing McBeane's plan were loving the Shaq and Ragnuts picks because they were off-the-bus-starters! It made so much sense! Finally a plan! The memories of some people on TSW are sofa king short. EVERYONE has a plan......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 9:29 AM, Formerly Allan in MD said: Take a pill. I love these responses I feel the same way when "fans" attack the front office without a clue of what they are trying to do......it works both ways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 4:40 PM, Gugny said: Maybe try the other hand?? ahhh the stranger. A go to move 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 1:12 PM, matter2003 said: I just never understood the whole "there isn't a lot to do" narrative that people keep talking about. I mean there is constantly something going on in this area no matter what time of year, and it seems like more and more things are being added every year. Not enough to do with for players with lots of dollars and bling to show off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 1:29 AM, JoPar_v2 said: You’re supposed to, ya know, engage with the people kind enough to comment on your thread with the bad title bud. This isn’t your personal blog. my bad. Been busy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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