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They are going BPA- if that BPA happens to be a DT so be it.

3 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

Why? Look at all the receivers drafted in the top 10 and tell me Metcalf belongs. Sure he looks like great but film shows he’s not. And I’m not just talking stats. 

Metcalf eh not sold

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9 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I think assuming what a team does based on a potential need is silly.

 

Bills could very well draft a WR, DT, TE, T, CB etc.

 

Depends on the board.

 

Sure, but you can have different targets in different rounds.  Maybe there’s a DT or two they’d love at 9, but they have contingency plans if they aren’t on the board.  Second round or trade up from there.  

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I agree that if we dont trade down, we are going DT at #9 - Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver with Jeffrey Simmons having an outside chance.

 

If we trade down, we may go TE (Fant) in round 1 and hope to get Jeffrey Simmons, Christian Wilkins or Dre'Mont Jones at #40.

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One thing I’m sure of after all these FA signings is that the Bills will not be drafting 10 players this year.  I think Beane will try to drop back 5-10 slots in the first to secure an extra second round pick, and then package later round picks to move up for more picks in rounds 2-4.

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10 hours ago, BakersBills said:

havent signed any DT and just seems to make sense at 9.

 

Ed Oliver.  He is just a fantastic pairing with Star.  Space eater and A. Donald type.  

6 hours ago, richardb1952 said:

I'm thinking Oliver at 9 and Irv Smith Jr in second.  Would not be surprised to see Devin White , Wilkins, Hockenson or Jacobs at 9 either.  All Impact players.  They are definitely in a position to get BPA at 9.  I also think they are thin at LB and need 2 from draft or FA.

 

totally agree with this.  D. White would be a fantastic addition, or give us the ability to trade down with a team like the Steelers that needs  him.  With White, you are set at LB for 10 years.  With Oliver, or Wilkins in a trade-down, you get an impact DT.  And don't forget about Simmons, who could fall.  

 

I'd go TE in the 2nd or 3rd.  Irv Smith would be a great addition that is a bit under the radar right now.  

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Given how many holes we've addressed... I wouldn't be altogether shocked if we tried to trade up for Quinnen Williams. 

 

Might just be my biases, but to me there's a lot of question marks around Oliver, Dre'Mont Jones, Wilkins and obviously Simmons is hurt... Williams is the cleanest prospect in the DT group by far...

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10 hours ago, BakersBills said:

havent signed any DT and just seems to make sense at 9.

They re-signed J-Phil, not that that should be any indication they are done with the position, but would doubt their eyeing it as a high need.

10 hours ago, matter2003 said:

They are going to draft the best player in the highest rated group on the board at their draft position.

 

If that group contains a DT, then it might be DT, if that group doesn't contain a DT then it won't be a DT.  They are not "eyeing" anyone at this point.

^This - regardless of how the rest of FA goes, or doesn't

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I'm still thinking, based upon what they did last year, that they will go for the highest ceiling player available.  This may not jive with what most people think of as the BPA.  I think "BPA" has a lot of "BPA who can make an immediate impact as a rookie"- that is not the same thing.  A plug-&-play guy might be an instant starter but never make the pro-bowl multiple years.   We might even see a linebacker or safety taken and the guy (hopefully) might be a star for a decade, while the plug& play guy has faded away.

 

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31 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I'm a bit busy at work today, but it is possible to go DT at #9 - what would it cost to move back in RD1 for Hock with our Rd2 pick?

 

Depending on how far you want to move up. In the teens its for sure your gonna have to give up a 2020 first round pick. To move u to like 31 probably 40 and a 3rd

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It is said that Christian Wilkins, despite having elite athleticism, "plays every snap like he's an undrafted free agent trying to make the team", and that he is a culture-changing leader and alpha in the locker room. Also a prototypical 3T. Don't be shocked if he's the Bills' pick come April, whether after a trade-down or not.

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9 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

The idea you pass on dk metcalf because you signed John Brown is pretty darn funny to me as well. 


While we're at it, the idea you draft a WR at 9 who only ran 9-routes and curls just because he has nice abs and runs fast is pretty darn funny to me.

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3 hours ago, Kaenon said:

Need to move up for Oliver in my opinion.

Could be a litte biased based on living in Houston the last few years....

 

I want Oliver too, but I seriously doubt Beane is trading up for anyone this time around. You never know, though. He moved up twice in round 1 last year, though I really don't think he needed to trade up to get Edmunds. He'd have been there a while longer, IMO.

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18 minutes ago, Logic said:


While we're at it, the idea you draft a WR at 9 who only ran 9-routes and curls just because he has nice abs and runs fast is pretty darn funny to me.

 

What happened to Harrison Phillips and Star? Everyone loved them last year. Beane was a genius for drafting Kyle's replacement a year early and spending 10mil a year to fill the gap left by Dareus.

 

by the way from Ledyard:

 

"Route-Running - Let's talk about what is his fault: Metcalf needs to show better attention to detail in his patterns at times, breaking his routes off more exactly, showing a better awareness of the sideline and being more efficient with his footwork. Outside of his control however, is an Ole Miss offense that asked him to predominantly run hitches, curls, comebacks and nine routes, operating only on a vertical plane that made things very simple for defensive backs who had done their tape study. How Metcalf managed his production is a testament to his other-worldly talent in a scheme that didn't make things easy on him."

 

 

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14 hours ago, Logic said:

Ed Oliver would not surprise me one bit.

Another guy who I know isn't on most people's radar but who has "process" written all over him is Christian Wilkins from Clemson.

   These are the two guys I like most at this point in the draft, for the Bills hoping we snag one with that 9th pick!

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45 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

"Route-Running - Let's talk about what is his fault: Metcalf needs to show better attention to detail in his patterns at times, breaking his routes off more exactly, showing a better awareness of the sideline and being more efficient with his footwork. Outside of his control however, is an Ole Miss offense that asked him to predominantly run hitches, curls, comebacks and nine routes, operating only on a vertical plane that made things very simple for defensive backs who had done their tape study. How Metcalf managed his production is a testament to his other-worldly talent in a scheme that didn't make things easy on him."

 

 


Personally, I think the reason they had him operate only on a vertical plane is that he lacks change of direction skills. We shall see.

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11 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

DT is frickin deep...you can a legit starter in the 2nd & 3rd Rds this year! This offense still doesn't have a legit X receiver. If anything, WR at 9 is looking more & more definite. It's not that many X WR's in the draft, maybe 4-5. 

 

I still think they go WR early. 1st or definitely 2nd. Unless DK is there or they trade back & get N'Keal Harry.

It’s really deep.....character issues aside, Jerry Tillery is terrific.  May drop to 2nd, 3rd or 4th.  Just not sure what those issues were .  I think Oliver is overrated.  

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6 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I'm still thinking, based upon what they did last year, that they will go for the highest ceiling player available.  This may not jive with what most people think of as the BPA.  I think "BPA" has a lot of "BPA who can make an immediate impact as a rookie"- that is not the same thing.  A plug-&-play guy might be an instant starter but never make the pro-bowl multiple years.   We might even see a linebacker or safety taken and the guy (hopefully) might be a star for a decade, while the plug& play guy has faded away.

 

I think this is good rationale....The players I see that fit this analogy are DK and Oliver where we are picking at 9.  Both could be gone or both could be there.  I am not sure that Beane would gamble on Hockenson that early.  

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I would take any one of Williams, Oliver, or Wilkins at 9.  All three would fit in perfectly at 3-tech next to Star.  If we trade back I am fine with taking Lawrence or Simmon in the late first.  If Josh Allen or Montez Sweat are there at 9 they would be very tempting as well to add some explosiveness to our already-sturdy defense.    

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