How can we not be all in on Metcalf now?

[zevo]

If Metcalf and 2 qbs go before our pick at 9...there is going to be some serious defensive talent on the board at 9....select defense or trade back....I’m in the trade back boat if we have a suitor....

[Kirby Jackson]

Metcalf is a RIDICULOUS athlete. Is he good at football? I have no idea. I’m neither in or out on him but the only thing that I’ll say is Beane went high ceiling last year in Allen and Edmunds. I don’t think that he will be scared off by Metcalf’s limited resume. A top pass catcher is right there with OL for biggest need. We need guys to block and catch.  Give Josh a chance to succeed

[zevo]

21 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

How can we not? Because Stephen Hill. 6'4 215lbs and he ran a 4.36. Issue was lack of production.  He instantly jumped high on draft boards after his combine and proceeded to do nothing. 

 

Do I think Metcalf will be Hill? No I think he will be better but I also don't think he will be like Julio. Think he should be drafted 15-20 range. And he does have bust potential.

 

However I can see us falling in love with him. Beane fell in love withJosh Allen and Tremain Edmunds to physical abilities and size. So same could happen with DK. But I'll rather take Hakeem... Not as good as athletic freak but I think will be a safer selection

This is exactly the guy that keeps popping into my head....but Stephen hill went in the 2nd.

[Jay_Fixit]

Because he’s just not very good at playing receiver.

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Metcalf is a RIDICULOUS athlete. Is he good at football? I have no idea. I’m neither in or out on him but the only thing that I’ll say is Beane went high ceiling last year in Allen and Edmunds. I don’t think that he will be scared off by Metcalf’s limited resume. A top pass catcher is right there with OL for biggest need. We need guys to block and catch.  Give Josh a chance to succeed

 

It's not the limited resume it's the obvious red flags.  Change of direction issues are a huge red flag for any receiver, as are injuries.  The way Metcalf is built, he is unlikely to overcome either of those things.  Metcalf is the kind of pick that gets GMs fired.

Edited March 3, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

After watching that performance.   Hes like a combination of Julio Jones and EMO.

 

Does he make it to 9 after this combine?

 

No.

So, OP, 40 responses -of which none are yours..- seem to suggest You are the only one All In on Metcalf. I encourage you, per the rules of posting,  to return to your thread and debate all these nay-sayers. I need to be educated and shown the error of my thinking

[ddaryl]

I think he'll slip a little.  Too many other coveted players. His numbers are solid outside the change of directions fail... That alone will drop him out of top 10 IMO. If anything I think the Bills can grab DK at the mid to back end of the 1st and get a more impactful player at #9

[davspo]

Receivers only matter if your QB is standing upright and not running for his life.  Must fix the OLine first.  The WR group is really deep.  A lot of impressive performances yesterday.  Let's see what happens in free agency.  I still think the trade down scenario is good, if there is a partner.  Then can use the multiple 4th and 5 round picks to move up an many grab a second 3rd pick.  Could really play to have 2 first round picks, a 2nd round pick and 2 third rounders.  Possible to get 3-4 day one starters.   

[Alphadawg7]

I have been big on Metcalf and kept saying he would dominate the combine and become a top 10 pick.  Going into the combine, I was all about Metcalf as one of a few I covet at 9.  

 

HOWEVER:  There are a lot of things happening right now and some things have changed.  WR's came and proved what I had been saying, its a very very good and deep overall class.  Murray likely going to AZ, Rosen likely going to Washington (takes away our most popular trade back option), Raiders or someone leap frogging Raiders trading up with Jets will take Haskins.  All of a sudden, I think there is now very low odds we will trade back.  2 QB's and probably Metcalf going top 8 is going to leave an insanely talented DL prospect for us at 9 and I don't know how we will be able to pass it up.

 

Taking that Elite playmaker at 9 on the DL will still leave us with a great prospect in the 2nd for a WR.  And I don't know Beane or McD will prefer a trade down anyway over taking that potential difference maker.

 

Plus:  We could very easily trade up back into the late first or back into the 2nd with some of the extra ammo we have if a guy they absolutely covet is there.  

 

I would still be stoked about Metcalf, there are some legit guys at WR and one of them will be there at 40.  Harry, Campbell, Butler, Brown, etc.  

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

His combine was actually more fascinating than it was a complete success

 

 

A WR that cant change direction/wiggle hips will be owned by good NFL CB’s. 

[Andy1]

I’m not sold on Metcalf. I hope they go elite line talent on either side or trade down for Hock or Fant. Butler in the 2nd would be a nice target also. Metcalf looks like he has been pumped up with roids. Looks like he has no flexibility and is prone to muscle tears. Just my $0.02.

[BuffAlone]

My statement...Metcalf will fall into the mid 20's or beyond. And zero chance McBeane takes him at 9. His talents are for naught in the system we are going to run. What we need is a possession receiver to move the chains. All the speed and strength in the world without production, and questions about past, and possible future injuries( muscle strains, etc) is not worth a top ten pick

[NewEra]

Starting to think he’s Stephen Hill 2.0

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m going OL or DL in the 1st and WR in the 2nd

IF we make the pick at 9, I agree with this completely. 

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Metcalf is a RIDICULOUS athlete. Is he good at football? I have no idea. I’m neither in or out on him but the only thing that I’ll say is Beane went high ceiling last year in Allen and Edmunds. I don’t think that he will be scared off by Metcalf’s limited resume. A top pass catcher is right there with OL for biggest need. We need guys to block and catch.  Give Josh a chance to succeed

His 7.33 cone drill time is alarming for a supposed top WR. I can’t see Beane and Co. simply discounting that seeming lack of agility in a wideout who would be expected to run the entire route tree in addition to the 9. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Just a matter of time before he is doing sit ups in his driveway. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, davspo said:

Receivers only matter if your QB is standing upright and not running for his life.  Must fix the OLine first.  The WR group is really deep.  A lot of impressive performances yesterday.  Let's see what happens in free agency.  I still think the trade down scenario is good, if there is a partner.  Then can use the multiple 4th and 5 round picks to move up an many grab a second 3rd pick.  Could really play to have 2 first round picks, a 2nd round pick and 2 third rounders.  Possible to get 3-4 day one starters.   

 

True, but I think they will look to the bigger fixes to OL in FA.  The draft is also deep at OL, so I think they want to make some bigger improvements in FA to free up the ability to draft one of the DL studs or maybe a WR at 9 and then fill in more OL later in the draft.  

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Just a matter of time before he is doing sit ups in his driveway. 

On his way to the hall of fame as well?

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Starting to think he’s Stephen Hill 2.0

Or Breshad Perriman 

[HansLanda]

9 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

A WR that cant change direction/wiggle hips will be owned by good NFL CB’s. 

 

#1 thing DK didn't have at the college level were numbers - and why did Brown have double the production in terms of yards? I know DK was dinged up (that also is a question mark about his availability) but if he cannot make cuts and get open consistently in NCAA, then he's just a shiny object that doesn't make a difference on the field in the NFL. If his route tree consists of go's and posts, then he is not worth it at 9...IMHO

[Buffalo86]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

After all the "Combine Heros" who have burned GMs over the past 25 years, you'd think this stuff wouldn't happen. Metcalf's 40-time in shorts, bench press, and muscularity isn't the same as ability to run routes, catch contested balls, and producing like a WR1 on the field. He may look, run, & jump like Julio Jones- but that isn't enough to make him a star in the NFL. I'm VERY concerned about his agility numbers.

 

Sure, he may end up a really good player in time. But he is an extremely raw prospect at this point, and can basically only run fly patterns. I want no part of him the first round, and I hope he's somebody else's mistake.

 

Well said.  Making it in the NFL is more than running fast, jumping far, and having a good shirtless pic, as countless teams have learned over the years.  Having missed large chunks of 2 of his 3 college seasons, durability should be a huge concern.  It's fun to think of what Metcalf might've done had he been able to stay on the field, but he didn't.  However, he does fit the "athletic freak" profile that McBeane seems to favor in the 1st, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's the pick.

[SWATeam]

DK was widely considered the top WR in this class prior to the combine.  He’s not just a workout warrior.

 

lot of hot takes in this thread.  Limited route tree was a product of a basic Ole Miss offense, not DK.

 

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Change of direction issues are a huge red flag for any receiver,

 

I generally agree but in our offense straight line speed is arguably more important. The injuries do scare me. But anyone we take at 9 is going to have concerns. If Metcalf had above average agility on top of his elite physical traits he would be guaranteed to go top 3.

[Teddy KGB]

Whose EMO ? 

[BuffAlone]

2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

DK was widely considered the top WR in this class prior to the combine.  He’s not just a workout warrior.

 

lot of hot takes in this thread.  Limited route tree was a product of a basic Ole Miss offense, not DK.

 

So, his change of direction speed doesn't alarm you as a top ten pick?

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I generally agree but in our offense straight line speed is arguably more important. The injuries do scare me. But anyone we take at 9 is going to have concerns. If Metcalf had above average agility on top of his elite physical traits he would be guaranteed to go top 3.

But he doesn't...

And we have deep speed. We need a possession receiver before we need depth at speed

Edited March 3, 2019 by BuffAlone

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

His talents are for naught in the system we are going to run.

 

I don't agree with that at all. Our receivers are running routes 15-20 yards down field. If our offense was built around Allen's skill set, we would ideally have strong pass protection, 2 burners on the outside, and a receiving TE to act as our possession receiver. We don't need Metcalf to run short crossers and curls. He would run screens and deep routes all day long.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

 

Well said.  Making it in the NFL is more than running fast, jumping far, and having a good shirtless pic, as countless teams have learned over the years.  Having missed large chunks of 2 of his 3 college seasons, durability should be a huge concern.  It's fun to think of what Metcalf might've done had he been able to stay on the field, but he didn't.  However, he does fit the "athletic freak" profile that McBeane seems to favor in the 1st, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's the pick.

He does fit their tendencies but I think it’s possible they look at the WR position through a different lens than QB and MLB, and place a heavier weight on factors like route running. We can look at guys like Zay though who the drafted high (Beane wasn’t here yet but he was reportedly high on their board) and assume they may value production in college. 

[Logic]

Wait...why should we be "all in" on Metcalf? Because he tested well at the combine?

Measurables are great, but what does his film look like? Who will be keeping Josh Allen upright so that he can GET the ball to Metcalf?

I'm fine with the Bills drafting him at 9, but I'm also perfectly fine with a big ugly at that spot.

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

 

Well said.  Making it in the NFL is more than running fast, jumping far, and having a good shirtless pic, as countless teams have learned over the years.  Having missed large chunks of 2 of his 3 college seasons, durability should be a huge concern.  It's fun to think of what Metcalf might've done had he been able to stay on the field, but he didn't.  However, he does fit the "athletic freak" profile that McBeane seems to favor in the 1st, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's the pick.

He’s only an athletic freak in terms of feats involving moving in a straight line, either straight up (vertical jump) or straight ahead (long jump and 40).

 

He is the exact opposite of athletic freak in the change of direction tests. 

 

He will make some team very happy if that team only requires a receiver to move in a straight line. 

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

DK was widely considered the top WR in this class prior to the combine.  He’s not just a workout warrior.

 

lot of hot takes in this thread.  Limited route tree was a product of a basic Ole Miss offense, not DK.

 

 

No and no.

 

I saw more than one analyst with Marquise Brown as WR1, including Daniel Jeremiah...and if the combine showed anything, it's that his COD skills may have had a sizable role in his limited route usage.

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't agree with that at all. Our receivers are running routes 15-20 yards down field. If our offense was built around Allen's skill set, we would ideally have strong pass protection, 2 burners on the outside, and a receiving TE to act as our possession receiver. We don't need Metcalf to run short crossers and curls. He would run screens and deep routes all day long.

We will remain a run first team. Deep speed in Foster, a shifty slot guy, and a big reliable possession receiver. I'm not sure where, or if, Zay fits in, but regardless, if speed was all we covet, that can be found in lower rounds, or via FA. Not at the cost/risk of a #9 overall pick

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

Wait...why should we be "all in" on Metcalf? Because he tested well at the combine?

Measurables are great, but what does his film look like? Who will be keeping Josh Allen upright so that he can GET the ball to Metcalf?

I'm fine with the Bills drafting him at 9, but I'm also perfectly fine with a big ugly at that spot.

All about value!

[BillsSB2020]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

He’s only an athletic freak in terms of feats involving moving in a straight line, either straight up (vertical jump) or straight ahead (long jump and 40).

 

He is the exact opposite of athletic freak in the change of direction tests. 

 

He will make some team very happy if that team only requires a receiver to move in a straight line. 

My rebuttal would be that his straight line speed makes him a threat to score on every play, especially if you pair him with Josh Allen. That makes it impossible for a corner to "cheat."

Also taking into account his frame, a quick cut isn't nearly as essential as it is for an average sized receiver. He can simply outbody people on deep outs, curls, etc.

[Virgil]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Or Breshad Perriman 

 

Or David Boston 

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

My rebuttal would be that his straight line speed makes him a threat to score on every play, especially if you pair him with Josh Allen. That makes it impossible for a corner to "cheat."

Also taking into account his frame, a quick cut isn't nearly as essential as it is for an average sized receiver. He can simply outbody people on deep outs, curls, etc.

I cannot disagree more with this entire take. I’ll just leave it at that.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

Also taking into account his frame, a quick cut isn't nearly as essential as it is for an average sized receiver. He can simply outbody people on deep outs, curls, etc.

 

Exactly, we're not talking about a small speedy guy like Marquise Brown. Metcalf is big and strong and fast, he has a big catch radiradius, he's dedicated to the game. That's a lethal combination in the vertical offense that we run. I get the injury concerns though. That would scare me off more than his 3 cone drill.

[SWATeam]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

No and no.

 

I saw more than one analyst with Marquise Brown as WR1, including Daniel Jeremiah...and if the combine showed anything, it's that his COD skills may have had a sizable role in his limited route usage.

I didn't know it needed to be unanimous.

[BuffAlone]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Exactly, we're not talking about a small speedy guy like Marquise Brown. Metcalf is big and strong and fast, he has a big catch radiradius, he's dedicated to the game. That's a lethal combination in the vertical offense that we run. I get the injury concerns though. That would scare me off more than his 3 cone drill.

That said, I just can't see the overall value meeting the investment. Not when there are equal, or even greater holes to fill this year

[Wayne Cubed]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Or Breshad Perriman 

 

or Darrius Heyward-Bey

 

He was one trick pony coming out of school. Great straight line speed (4.30 40) but had questionable hands and couldn't generate separation out on his cuts. Sound familiar?

[Alphadawg7]

Metcalf did exactly what I said and expected he would do at the combine.  He is a freak and a crazy exciting prospect.  That being said, he also did terrible in agility drills which does leave questions on how complete a WR he can be if he will struggle changing directions.

 

HOWEVER:  The WR that I think took over the top WR spot in the draft is NOT Metcalf, although I do believe Metcalf will still be drafted first based on a "Josh Allen" type ceiling with those freakish numbers.  

 

The guy who to me cemented the best overall WR prospect was my 2nd favorite WR heading into the combine, and that is N'Keal Harry.  The ONLY concern on Harry was his speed, and going into the combine he was expected to run high 4.6's to low 4.7's and most said that would be fine given his immense talent and still be a first or early 2nd round pick.

 

HOWEVER:  Harry blew away those expectations (as I had been saying he would) and ran a 4.54 which is faster than Antonio Brown and many other elite WR's in the NFL.  He by far has one of the most impressive tapes in this draft, insane hands, insane catch radius, strong, highly productive with a terrible QB, and now showed he has the speed too.  There is no longer any knock on him, its all gone.  

[Misterbluesky]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m going OL or DL in the 1st and WR in the 2nd

Beane made it to two Bulls games this year...with Johnson not running,I bet his stock falls around the league but it shouldn't effect what Beane knows about him.

AJ in the second?????